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Datacenter Gives Internet To 70 Percent of Navajo Nation

Nerval's Lobster writes "The Navajo Nation cut the ribbon August 13 on an $8 million data center that has been under debate and development since 2000, when then-President Bill Clinton expressed shock that a 13-year-old Navajo girl who just won a new laptop couldn't connect to the Internet. At the time that girl won the laptop in a school contest, the Navajo Nation--a 27,425 square-mile region that covers portions of Arizona, Utah and New Mexico--had barely any IT infrastructure. The incident helped drive debate among leaders of the Navajo Nation, many of whom said they believed adding telecommunications and computing facilities were secondary to other concerns for the chronically poverty stricken region. The 50,000-square-foot facility in Albuquerque, New Mexico includes 25,000-sq.-ft. of datacenter and an equal space for computer training and business incubation, according to Nova Corp., an IT services company owned by Navajo Nation and formed in 2004 to execute an IT plan to create the "Digital Navajo Nation" (PDF). The drive to get it built also helped push development of a $46 million broadband project designed to cover about half of Navajo territory with 550 miles of fiber, 32 new cell towers and upgrades to another 27. It will eventually connect more than 30,000 households and 1,000 businesses."

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  1. Let's hope.. by djupedal · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was going to say let's hope this gift doesn't come with viruses like those lousy blankets, way back when, but we know it will.

    1. Re:Let's hope.. by radiumsoup · · Score: 2, Insightful

      who's "we", in your statement exactly? The company building the datacenter and infrastructure is owned by the Navajo Nation.

      Go swallow your Liberal Guilt for a while and join the rest of us in reality. We have cake.

    2. Re:Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why do you assume he's a liberal? Are there no guilt-ridden conservatives?

      They're the ones attending church every Sunday to wash away the sins of the previous week. ;-)

    3. Re:Let's hope.. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most conservatives understand that smallpox lives about 24 hours on a blanket exposed to air.

      The who story is mythology, designed to provoke white guilt.

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    4. Re:Let's hope.. by booyoh · · Score: 3, Funny

      >

      ... We have cake.

      The Cake is a Lie

    5. Re:Let's hope.. by radiumsoup · · Score: 2

      well, that one's easy: Liberal Guilt (as I have labelled it here, in capitals) is derived from other people's collective actions or inactions and not on the actions or inactions of the person feeling guilty... Conservative Guilt, then, would be derived from what the individual feeling guilty does or doesn't do. It's a pretty consistent pattern on both fronts. One can have both, although not usually on the same topic.

    6. Re:Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most conservatives understand that smallpox lives about 24 hours on a blanket exposed to air.

      Are you expecting us to believe most conservatives are well versed in immunology? Half of them believe in creationism, so I'm not expecting much scientific literacy.
      The who story is mythology, designed to provoke white guilt.

      Bullshit. Google for "Lord Jeffrey Amherst". There are actual historic documents which detailed his intent to do it.

      You're full of shit.

    7. Re:Let's hope.. by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are there no guilt-ridden conservatives?

      No. They always believe they're right, facts be damned.

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    8. Re:Let's hope.. by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The professor that built his whole carrier on this story and was about to have to eat crow, miraculously found a diary entry to back up his version. He still won't let anybody else examine the diary. He's full of shit.

      So his story now is 'Even if smallpox couldn't live on blankets, they _were_ trying to use blankets to spread it.'

      Even if what he saying is true. White people still didn't use blankets to spread smallpox. It's virologically impossible. Smallpox traveled around the world in infected people, same as the aggressive new world syphilis.

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  2. also goal of 2009 stimulus program by peter303 · · Score: 2

    To bring broadband to every high school in the country, especially rural ones. Sort of like the 1930s rural electrification initiative. Neighboring communities and business could jpiggy back on the school broadband. I do not know how well this succeeded in the past four years.

    1. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by realmolo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly.

      The problem is that like every other program like this, is that there is no real penalty for NOT doing what you were granted money to do. So you have all kinds of fly-by-night companies appying for and receiving grants, but they don't do anything except do studies and pay themselves. Nothing ever gets built, because it's quicker to take the money and run.

      Rural broadband will only happen when the federal government does it THEMSELVES. Trying to get the "free market" to do things like this is impossible.

    2. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nova corp isn't some fly-by-night company though; I've actually consulted with them (they were looking to upgrade the nation's slot machines from old mechanical ones to new digital card-based models, and open some new casinos). That said, they're run by Navaho nobility, with all the kickbacks, inaction and nepotism such political ties entail. They did get things done, however, which is more than I can say for the US government's attempts in the area.

  3. Navajo Nation by Latent+Heat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My understanding is that the Navajo Nation is as much a valid political entity as, say, the State of Wisconsin. Navajo Nation is almost but not completely unlike one of the 50 states in our Federal system. So if you Find and Replace "Wisconsin" into the parent post, it doesn't seem at all racist.

    1. Re:Navajo Nation by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd actually be curious to know how, if at all, the peculiar political status of certain treaty-administered reservation areas would affect a datacenter built there.

      For the purposes of day-to-day jurisdiction(beat cops, that sort of thing) they are at least as distinct as a state, in some respects more. On the other hand, there are assorted BIA fed-level things, and it's sort of a tangled mess. Do Navajo servers have to respect DMCA requests? Can they run an offshore gambling operation? If somebody cracks one, are they subject to the CFAA?

  4. windtalkers by rossdee · · Score: 3, Funny

    and now the NSA won't be able to read their email ...

  5. Re:In unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Stereotype much, asshole?

    Being a stereotype does not inherently make something false.

  6. Rural Sourcing by ebno-10db · · Score: 3, Funny

    While there is always debate about whether something like this is the best way to spend money in a poverty stricken area, one way it could help is if "rural sourcing" got started in the Navajo nation. That could include things like software development and call center work. No, it's not for everybody, but when a few people start making better money in a poverty stricken area it sometimes has a positive feed back effect. The newly employed hire someone else to work on their house or their truck, buy other local services, that sort of thing.

    P.S. Now for a couple of things that you know people are dying to say (or groan about).

    1. Finally, software written by real Indians.

    2. In the future I want real Apaches working on the Apache server (hey, at least the Navajos are a related people).

    1. Re:Rural Sourcing by T.E.D. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thats funny, I thought the Apaches and Commanches were offshoots of the Sioux

      Uh, no. Apaches and Commanches are quite unrelated to the Sioux (and each other), much like, say Chinese, Turks, and Tai (even though all those folks live on the same continent too). Apache is a Na-Dene language, most of the other speakers of which live in Alaska and the NW of Canada. Commanche speak a Uto-Aztecan language, all of whose speakers originally hail from either the Wetern US or NW Mexico.

      The Siouan languages and cultures, by contrast were found in the central USA, roughly in the Mississippi watershed (with a couple of prominent exceptions in what is now New England). And yes, they were quite different peoples. Siouxans lived on riverbanks and were basically a settled farming people before Europeans came with their diseases and horses, making Buffalo hunting a more profitable living.

      The Apache and Commanche OTOH were hunters from way back (in the Apache's case, living a bit more off of raiding nearby settled communities as well). The introduction of horses basically turned them into the New World's equivalent of the Mongols and early Turks.

      They may look similar to the melanin-deprived, but they are very, very different.

    2. Re:Rural Sourcing by Xaedalus · · Score: 2

      The Sioux were also an empire before and after the White Man came. The Lakota, Dakota, and Nakota controlled/split a slice of land the size of Western Europe up until the 1800's. It's amazing that the Crow, Blackfeet, and others were even able to withstand them. As it is, we're lucky the Sioux nations didn't truly organize until late in the game in the 1800s when we whites had the technological advantage.

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    3. Re:Rural Sourcing by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the info, but was the snark "they may look similar to the melanin-deprived" really needed? The GP just made a mistake about the relationship between different peoples; nowhere did he imply that they were "all the same".

  7. New laptop? by Alok · · Score: 3, Funny

    That 13 year old girl doubled her lifetime waiting for the net, and her laptop may be a little bit obsolete by now - they should give her an upgrade for starting all this :)

  8. Re:Rural internet at its best by mcl630 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It has a direct impact on education. And try to get a decent job in today's world without knowing at least basic Internet use.

  9. Re:Sounds racist to me... by operagost · · Score: 2

    Perhaps you don't know the history of the Americas, but when European settlers came they tended to push indigenous peoples out of their territory; eventually, the US government made the minimal concession of relinquishing territory in the form of reservations. The Navaho Nation is just that: an autonomous entity within the USA, organized much like similar entities within Canada. There is nothing racist about this, although the concept of a "Navajo Nation" is, by definition, both cultural and nationalist.

    Consider yourself lucky that you weren't modded down to oblivion, because your thinking is a bit out of line with reality. This isn't like someone building infrastructure in a neighborhood just so the particular ethnic group in that neighborhood can use it-- you might have an argument there.

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  10. Re:Rural internet at its best by PPH · · Score: 2

    If they get something worth having, the white people will run them out of there and march them to some useless land. Probably Detroit.

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  11. Fact Check.. by moaneye · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just wanted to post some fact check data here. I live 10 miles from the data center, was interviewed for a position there (turned down the consequent job offer) and am friends with the data center administrator. First of all, the article is incorrect - the data center is in Shiprock New Mexico on the Navajo Nation, NOT in Albuquerque. This is a 240+ mile difference. It's a common occurance that news articles written by people outside the area tend to make. Everyone not from New Mexico thinks that Albuquerque, Santa Fe and Taos are the only places in New Mexico. Also, the data center was not built with grant funds. The grant funds went towards the fiber optic project. NTUA, the Navajo Tribal Utility Authority, invested their own capital to build the data center. In fact, what the ariticle does not make clear is that NTUA houses and manages the data center. What makes this unusual is that NTUA is the utility for the Navajo Nation (water, sewer, electricity, etc.). Building and running a data center is a little out of their core compentencies. Having said that, however, they've done an impressive job. The data center is state of the art and well built. They have power feeds from two different bulk electric utilities, two massive backup generators, two buildings of UPSs, and a state-of-the art NOC. What they don't have, in my humble opinion, is a completely fleshed out marketing team. But then I don't know exactly what their marketing strategy is anyway. As far as being racist goes, the only comment I've seen so far which I would say is blatantly racist is the one about "every liquor store in the region" putting up a website. That's kind of harsh, and is a really bad sterotype. Again, however, that's just my opinion. This is a free country after all.

    1. Re:Fact Check.. by earlzdotnet · · Score: 2

      Will they only be and/or "prefer" hiring Native Americans? I'm from Oklahoma where there is a bunch of Indian stuff (I even have an underutilized CDIB card) and one of the crazy things I always came across was that a lot of businesses only seemed to hire native americans. If federal law applies to them, I never could see how this was legal...

      ...Also, never shoplift from an indian gas station. From what I've heard, apparently you go through the indian court system for laws broken like that, where punishment can be much less transparent and more harsh than "normal" laws broken.

    2. Re:Fact Check.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anonymous Native attorney here, offering information but not advice. Native American preference in hiring is considered under federal law to be similar to a citizenship requirement (it is classified as a political classification) rather than a racial requirement. Hence, the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs is allowed to hire with Native preference. See Morton v. Mancari, 417 U.S. 535 (1974). Native nations, of course, are sovereigns who can require citizenship just as a state can require state residency for some positions.

      Yeah, no, about the criminal law enforcement by tribal courts. Unless you're a Native person, they have super limited criminal jurisdiction over non-Indians (although, oddly, our nations have the same jurisdiction over Indians of other nations as they do over their own citizens). For a non-Indian on a rez, it's kind of akin to being able to walk into Alabama or Canada and not be subject to Alabama's or Canada's courts, but this is a long-standing rule of federal law. In fact, tribal criminal jurisdicion is considered by federal law to be pretty limited to small stuff--which means major crimes generally have to be prosecuted by the feds, leading to all sorts of problems, perhaps most infamously in protecting Indian women from sexual assault by non-Indians. And, of course, if the "Indian gas station" is on non-rez, non-trust land then state law will probably apply anyway.

      You're right that many tribal governments have transparency issues. This is something that activists have been working to change, but centuries of outsiders building up elite families has created long-standing problems. Judge Steve Russell (Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma) has an excellent book explaining why our tribal sovereignty is endangered by our continuing to allow our nations' governments to operate like third-world countries.

  12. They Didn't Have Any by DesertJazz · · Score: 2

    They didn't have any casino's on the Navajo Nation until about two years ago. It was probably the one that held off the longest on building them, partially because they could never come to an agreement with the State of New Mexico, but mostly due to tribal opposition.

    The bigger thing is that it will benefit those that have power... What many people don't realize though is that much of the reservation is like a third world country without running water or electricity!

  13. Re:Rural internet at its best by khellendros1984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I want to know something, there's a good chance that I can learn it on the internet. It used to be that I had to go to a library to find information, sort through a card catalog for books that sound like they'd fit what I'm looking for, and actually do some serious research. Now? Pull up a search engine, and there's a good chance that I'll have the information I'm looking for in a matter of seconds.

    "Thousands of years" ago, information was restricted by the practicality of reproducing it. That is, someone actually had to write out the scroll. Literacy wasn't common for most of the populace. Some 600 years ago, reproducing books became more practical, with the advent of movable type. It made more sense to have a more-educated populace. The Internet is another iteration on the ease of disseminating information. It makes finding information easier than books did before it. That being said, it's just another tool on the educational toolbelt.

    Basically, you can't compare education millenia ago with education centuries ago. As the Internet leaves its infancy, you won't be able to compare learning and education a few decades from now to education a couple decades ago. The Internet allows so much higher ease of access to so much more information that a sensible comparison is difficult to make.

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