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Concern Mounts Over Self-Driving Cars Taking Away Freedom

Lucas123 writes "Opinions in the blogosphere are building and run the gamut on self-driving automobile technology, but a survey supports the trend that most don't want their driving independence usurped by cameras, sensors and an onboard computer. The survey of British drivers last year commissioned by Bosch, a Germany-based supplier of automotive components, found that most would not buy a self-driving car. Only 29% of respondents said thay would consider buying a driverless car and only 21% said they would feel safe as a passenger in a self-driving car. David Alexander, an analyst at Navigant Research, pointed out that while driving yourself is often preferable, there's a lot of "grunt" driving that would be better handled by a computer. Navigant recently released a report stating that by 2035, 95 million autonomous cars will be sold every year."

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  1. As soon as the smart car counts as the driver by AvitarX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm in.

    I would pay a lot of money to be able to drive distracted, asleep, or inebriated legally. Right now none of those are legal and one isn't even possible.

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    1. Re:As soon as the smart car counts as the driver by godrik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Count me in as well. I do not actually like driving. That's a lot of wasted time for me. I'd rather do so many more things during that driving time. I could read all my commute time. Or even play need for speed! :)

    2. Re:As soon as the smart car counts as the driver by cheater512 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Technically most of the bottom quarter think they are in the top half.

    3. Re:As soon as the smart car counts as the driver by ImdatS · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In fact, I wouldn't call it only 29%, but rather already 29%.

      The reason is that the discussion about driverless cars is so new/recent that I wouldn't even have expected that many people saying that they would consider buying a driverless car.

      My dream transport-solution is: (a) not owning a car at all; (b) call a car anytime I need one; (c) getting driven (automatically) to any place I want; (d) I pay for the time I use the car and can leave it anywhere in the country (obviously, in a village/town/city or so).

      If we had a system like that and everybody would use it, it could be the solution to most of our traffic problems, including congestion (cars can communicate information faster and react faster than humans), parking problems, and more. Most of the time, cars are just parked somewhere and standing idle anyway.

      So, yes, count me in...

    4. Re:As soon as the smart car counts as the driver by icebike · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Count me in as well. I do not actually like driving. That's a lot of wasted time for me. I'd rather do so many more things during that driving time. I could read all my commute time. Or even play need for speed! :)

      As long as it has a manual mode, I'd be fine with having autonomous mode available.
      As I progress more in my geezerhood I will probably yearn more for autonomous mode and less for manual.

      I like driving, but I like it least in the places I would also distrust an automated car, so I'm conflicted
      right there. (Traffic jams) Call me when autonomous cars can totally de-snarl bumper to bumper stop and
      go traffic, such that when the light changes every single car in the queue moves forward in unison.

      Till then, there are some roads that just beg to be driven, and they are not that uncommon.

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    5. Re:As soon as the smart car counts as the driver by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then, of course, if I could also personalize the route with things like "please use scenic route", "use fast route", "use a county road", etc - it would be perfect...

      "Please accelerate out of the corners." "Please leave 40 feet of tracks when departing from the present intersection." "Please drop it into second and turn sideways in the next corner." [Vehicle reply] "I'm sorry; I can't do that for you, Dave. Unless you assist by pulling the e-brake at 3...2...1...now."

    6. Re:As soon as the smart car counts as the driver by devman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He won't have to, insurance companies will do that for him. If self driving cars prove to be safer than manual cars insurance will adjust premiums according to risk.

    7. Re:As soon as the smart car counts as the driver by mjwx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've never owned anything but 2x seat sports cars, I've never owned a manual transmission.

      If you've never owned a manual, you've never owned a sports car.

      You've already given up most of the control you have over your vehicle, I fail to see why you'd be hesitant to give up the rest.

      Automatics certainly aren't fun cars.

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  2. Amusing scenario... by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Driving a manually operated car through a hoard of autonomous cars. Splitting two lanes, step on the gas. The autonomous cars detect your car impinging on their lane, so they move out of the way, and the sea of autonomous cars parts like a wave in front of you.

    They'll need a lot of algorithms to deal with the unexpected, and people who deliberately want to mess with them, heh.

  3. I completely agree. by SecurityGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't want to give up my driving freedom. Having seen how the rest of you drive, though, I want all of you to give up your driving freedom because I swear, I'd drive better sleepy, drunk, and texting all at the same time than some of you.

    Giving up driving is a price I'm willing to pay if I don't have to risk my life on your competence behind the wheel.

  4. Safety by KiloByte · · Score: 5, Informative

    Except that self-driving cars are already greatly safer than those driven by humans. If such a car doesn't cooperate with government surveillance, it doesn't degrade your freedom -- and as an useful tool, actually improves it. You can do whatever you want when travelling...

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    1. Re:Safety by DutchUncle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If such a car doesn't cooperate with government surveillance, it doesn't degrade your freedom . .

      "If". Such a small word, to express so much hope.

  5. Insurance companies... by babymac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just wait until insurance companies start requiring automated driving. That is likely to be decades away, but I think they will be a big factor in the push toward driverless vehicles. The irony of this is that ultimately the need for auto insurance will decline dramatically once accident rates plummet. At that point I think we're likely to see auto insurance become the domain of the auto manufacturers rather than the auto owners.

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  6. The future of driverless cars looks like a bus by dj245 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If I had a truly self-driving car, I would rent it out 23/7. My own personal taxi company. After all, I only need my car for about an hour a day on average. Maybe RelayRides will expand to accommodate this business model- I block out times when I need my car, and when someone books it for a ride, it drives off, takes them where they want to go, then comes back and parks in my spot. Or maybe I decide that since I only need a car for an hour a day, I personally don't need a car at all, and can rent one from the pool of public cars if I need to go somewhere.

    We might not have flying cars, but the driverless car is now a legal problem, not a problem of unreasonable expense or technological ability. We have the technology to build them now, and mass-produced, probably for less than $60,000 a piece. We also have systems for issuing commands remotely over the internet ("car, come here") and systems for renting of personal vehicles (Relayrides, GetAround, Lyft). It is only a matter of time before someone ties them all together and forces the law to change, or the law changes and the floodgates open.

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  7. Self-driving cars are liberating by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's mass transit without the masses. Imagine your own personal bus, taxi or train. Mass transit is good for many people because it enables travel without so much stress... or at least without the same type of stress and certainly less danger. But among the problems of mass transit is the crowding and congestion which often accompanies more dense populated areas.

    I think having HOV lanes replaced with "Automated" lanes, self driving cars are likely to take you anywhere you need to go, respond to traffic problems by dynamically re-routing and generally even out the flow of traffic all over. Even if a driver decides not to participate in the use of self-driving cars, when there are enough self-driving cars, it will likely benefit the non-participants as well.

    One caveat is the fact that non-participants will see it as a license to be an even bigger asshole than they were to "other drivers." They would be bigger because they would drive rudely around machines which would, ostensibly, not be offended... (the passengers might though... imagine cutting off a self-driving car and how it might respond)

    There are probably a lot of scary scenarios which I haven't considered, but I recall batman movies and the self-driving batmobile and how that could be really useful. A car that will let you get out at your destination then drive away to park somewhere? Awesome... especially if you can notify your car that you are waiting to be picked up and have it arrive in a few moments. There's a lot of awesome there... and some scary.

  8. Overcoming the Fear of the New by organgtool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This reminds me of when the internet was new and my relatives were amazed when I told them I did most of my Christmas shopping online. They couldn't believe that I trusted web sites on the internet with my credit card number and they said they had absolutely no interest in doing that. The very next year, most of those same relatives were raving about how convenient it was to shop at home and not fight car and foot traffic to buy gifts. The point is, people fear new things that they don't understand, but once they see the benefits and convenience of new technologies, it usually isn't long before they consider life without that technology as primitive.

  9. Driving Freedom Never Existed by wisnoskij · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Driving is a privilege, that you have to earn, and comes with a thousand point list of rules and regulations.

    You can only drive when they want, where they want, and how they want. So were is there any freedom to loose?

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  10. No, there's a specific freedom in mind here... by danaris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You've missed the point here. They do have a specific "freedom" in mind here:

    The freedom to break the rules of the road.

    The people talking about self-driving cars taking away their "freedom" are afraid they'll no longer be able to drive 75 mph in a 55 mph zone, or run that red light, or tailgate that person who's got the sheer audacity to drive a few miles an hour under the speed limit when they need to get home to watch the game so close they leave paint on their bumper...!

    In other words, they're afraid that if everyone's got self-driving cars, they won't be allowed to be assholes anymore.

    Dan Aris

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