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Former Lockheed Skunkworks Engineer Auctioning a Prototype "Spy Rock"

ilikenwf writes "For a cool $10,000,000.00, the prototype of a surveillance rock full of spy gadgets could be yours! More importantly, server backups from the gentleman's time at Lockheed are included, being the real valuable in this auction, as it contains schematics and such. The seller seems to think that the current xBee radio products are actually based on his work with Lockheed. The proceeds will go towards legal action the seller is apparently taking against his former employer." This may be the most unusual eBay product description I've ever encountered, and one of the most interesting, too.

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  1. IP Rights by muphin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    even though this guy designed the hardware, wouldn't the documents and hardware be considered Intellectual Property of Lockheed?

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    1. Re:IP Rights by Sun · · Score: 2

      Read the description. He wasn't a Lockhead emplyee. He held 10% shares of the contractor company that designed the product.

      Shachar

    2. Re:IP Rights by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sounds like he was fired from the contract company that he was 10% owner of, and told that Lockheed did not buy the product (and thus no delivery of the final product). And now it appear that either Lockheed did buy the product after all or else it was sold at a later date to a third party (somehow xBee eventually got it). So he wants his 10%. The suit is against this contractor company.

    3. Re:IP Rights by Duncan+J+Murray · · Score: 4, Informative

      "In 2002-2003, I was the Chief Technology Officer for a Boston-based hardware research and development firm, Advanced Wireless Automation (AWA)."

      "Based upon my equity ownership in the company and the fact that all AWA computing resources were conducted on my own personal equipment using my own datacenter and my Internet connection, it is well within my right to auction off the backups related to the now-defunct AWA."

    4. Re:IP Rights by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      None of which means it wasn't the intellectual property of Lockheed. That depends on the terms of the contract AWA had with Lockheed, not on who owned the company or who hosted the computing resources. (And, FWIW, the same goes for the 'right' to auction off said intellectual property.)

    5. Re:IP Rights by jythie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One of the risks of working on DoD projects is they have a nice little loophole in patent law that allows them to take IP from one company and give it to another without risking legal consequences. There have been quite a few documented cases over the years of well connected 'buddy' contractors essentially going to the DoD and saying 'company X has cool stuff, but we do not want to pay for it, so how about we build it for you instead?' and getting the stolen IP. Since it is connected to 'national security' the normal laws are suspended.

    6. Re:IP Rights by Zenin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All of which makes the eBay auction an absolutely brilliant legal maneuver:

      To shut down the eBay auction Lockheed would have to claim ownership of the IP...which would mean admitting to fraud and making it legally liable to a hell of a lot more then just his 10% share (especially given the claims of continued use of his IP in other projects), likely including serious criminal charges.

      If they don't take the bait...he's potentially $10M richer and still retains IP rights and can still use that to pursue the use of his tech in other projects (drones, etc).

      It's by far better legal leverage than he'd ever see in a court room.

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    7. Re:IP Rights by Vesvvi · · Score: 2

      I read an extensive article about an ocean-floor submarine cable connector design which was effectively stolen by the government. A quick google search didn't turn it up, but maybe you will have better luck.

    8. Re:IP Rights by tibman · · Score: 2

      Intellectual Property is something that doesn't actually exist. The copyright to the source code can be considered IP but the source code is not. You can read up on it here: http://www.wipo.int/about-ip/en/index.html and here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property

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  2. Tigers? by mmontour · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does the rock also keep tigers away? Because if so, SOLD!

    1. Re:Tigers? by bkmoore · · Score: 2

      The real question is, does it keep a man in a tiger suit away?

  3. Version 2.0 by scsirob · · Score: 4, Funny

    Something tells me that version 2.0 of these skunk-work projects will show up at your doorstep if you show serious interest in this offer.

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  4. Re:What? by lxs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sounds about right for a second hand webcam in a Styrofoam rock.

  5. Or save $9,999,000.00 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because a Rasberry Pi, slightly outdated cellphone, wireless router, digital TV tuner card or USB device, flash memory, styrofoam, and spraypaint aren't exactly that expensive as OTS component resources in regards to being able to roll your own. Outside of custom software and knowing how to put the hardware together, it should be possible for under $1000 easy.

    1. Re:Or save $9,999,000.00 by Demonantis · · Score: 2

      Yes but will it be almost undetectedable by normal spectrum analysis? There was some serious radio technology in there. RTFA its worth it. This was a serious piece of equipment before the fire.

  6. He isn't selling the rock :( by janoc · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is a pity that the poster has never actually read the description of the auction, otherwise they would have found that:

    "The pictures depicted from this auction show some of the early prototypes from the project; however, it should be noted that none of that hardware will be included in this auction as I had a non-intentionally set fire :) that transpired at my house in the storage area where my prototypes were, that destroyed most if not all of the prototype hardware from the initial project development with Lockheed. Those pictures were taken during the development process at one of Lockheed's SCIFs located in Northern Virgina, as is evidenced by the yellow caution tape you see on the floor there in the first few pictures. The last picture was one of the sample images generated from a RockCam installed across the street from one of the engineer's house."

    and

    " 1) Microhard Spectra 910 900MHz serial line radio with power supply (this was a prototype 900MHz radio that I believe went on to become the current generation of ZigBee-based XBee radios; 2) A collection of PC104-based enclosures and motherboards, with various interfacing such as serial ports, USB ports, etc; 3) A Mobile Wireless Technologies RM1000g AVS vehicle transponder with WWAN and GPS tracking support; 4) Novate wireless prototyping board; 5) GNU X-Tools cross compilation software; and 6) A CD filled with backup materials during several years of the company (the most valuable part of this auction obviously)"

    So still some nice hw and docs, but certainly no "spy rocks" included. RTFA, guys!

    1. Re:He isn't selling the rock :( by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      Taking pictures in a SCIF?

      Ruh-Roh.

  7. Anything Else for Sale ? by nukenerd · · Score: 2

    A bridge perhaps?

  8. Actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's spelled Lockheed

  9. Historical by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    This started the war in iRock

  10. Re:Totally bogus by undeadbill · · Score: 2

    Lockheed does a lot more than just aviation design, and it is also fairly typical for government contractors to sub out work to outside companies, especially if the top tier contractor doesn't have the internal expertise or can't pay the expertise enough to join Lockheed.

  11. Re:Free shipping eh? by 21mhz · · Score: 3, Informative

    They apparently delivered at least one of them to Russia free of charge already. Some years ago, there was a purportedly documental story on Russian TV where an employee of the British embassy was shown using a "spy rock" clandestinely in Moscow. The veracity of that was widely dismissed because of the ridiculousness of the idea. Some of these spy operations sound like gratuitous toying with cloak-and-dagger stuff.

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  12. and old android will do it all by cheekyboy · · Score: 2

    an old 3g phone with android and no apps, but one app for spying is enough.

    There, $50 of hardware needed, nothing else.

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  13. That sale isn't targeted at you and me by Aviation+Pete · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I guess he wants the people who screwed him to buy in order to keep the contents of the CD secret. Then he probably wants to settle out of court.

    Will be interesting to see if there is really someone who buys before the auction ends. In effect, he/she will fund the legal campaign of his/her opponent ...

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  14. The point is to be sued by nmoore · · Score: 2
    Perry says:

    I am auctioning this off for the stated price to fund a legal team in DC dig into my dismissal from the company and to determine where the AWA intellectual property went after the demise of AWA.

    And what is the interesting part of the auction? A backup CD full of AWA intellectual property. If someone sues him over selling that CD and infringing upon their IP, then he knows who currently owns the IP, and he can in discovery find out how they obtained it—providing the evidence needed to file his own lawsuit.

    It sounds like a bit of a gamble, though: What if, say, the customer lists and the patents went to different places? Then the owners of the former could sue him, but he would not get the information he's looking for.

  15. Re:Free shipping eh? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Was RT story mentioned further down on http://cryptome.org/2013/07/rockcam-spy.htm ?
    Interesting notes about 'imagery data being relayed between the rocks, so that conventional signals intelligence methods would be unable to view the encrypted image/video streams." before the UK story.

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  16. Re:"A list of all nuclear power plants..." by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    The point is to make Lockheed or whoever else pay him his 10%.

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  17. Re:Boom? by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

    Then make some explosive shells, and sit them out in the wilderness for 60 years. Weathering will make some of them look like rocks. You really shouldn't pick them up, or even touch them, due to 60 years of erosion screwing with the triggering mechanism; so you won't actually be able to use them for anything.

    But you'll have exploding rocks.

  18. Re:Let's see what happens... by rot26 · · Score: 2

    You probably have a good imagination, it would seem.

    This guy has a plan and it has nothing to do with actually succeeding with the auction... for the intended audience (maybe just one person) this is a shot across the bow, in a public forum, and the most important information (to the right person) is what is not said. 90% of this story (if it's not a hoax, which it probably is) will never be told, which may be the whole point here.

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