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Cookieless Web Tracking Using HTTP's ETag

An anonymous reader writes "There is a growing interest in who tracks us, and many folks are restricting the use of web cookies and Flash to cut down how advertisers (and others) can track them. Those things are fine as far as they go, but some sites are using the ETag header as an identifier: Attentive readers might have noticed already how you can use this to track people: the browser sends the information back to the server that it previously received (the ETag). That sounds an awful lot like cookies, doesn't it? The server can simply give each browser an unique ETag, and when they connect again it can look it up in its database. Neither JavaScript, nor any other plugin, has to be enabled for this to work either, and changing your IP is useless as well. The only usable workaround seems to be clearing one's cache, or using private browsing with HTTPS on sites where you don't want to be tracked. The Firefox add-on SecretAgent also does ETag overwriting."

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  1. Secret Agent by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here we come. :-)

    Add this feature to a chaff-creating plugin, to crapflood servers with fake tags.

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    1. Re:Secret Agent by kasperd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Can SecretAgent detect tracking through ETags? Or will it disable ETags across all sites and thus slow down browsing by effectively turning caching off?

      The way I'd detect it would be with some extra background probes after a page has been loaded. The background probes start once the browser has finished loading and has become idle. Then the browser could open another connection and request the same resources again without sending any information, that could be tracked. If it receives a different ETag or different content this time around, it empties the cache for that domain and disables caching for that domain for a few hours.

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    2. Re:Secret Agent by KiloByte · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or will it disable ETags across all sites and thus slow down browsing by effectively turning caching off?

      ETags are only one of many methods to achieve caching. Getting rid of them shouldn't have a big effect on caching.

      Other methods typically have privacy holes as well, but it's easier to deal with them, for example by rounding timestamps down to the last midnight. ETags on the other hand store an arbitrary attacker-provided string, which is an outright security vulnerability.

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    3. Re:Secret Agent by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 2

      ETags on the other hand store an arbitrary attacker-provided string, which is an outright security vulnerability.

      I hate to break it to you, but the entire browser is nothing but a device for storing (and then parsing!) arbitrary attacker-provided strings. It's even got a perverse sort of link-chaining mechanism where, after receiving one such string, it will go out and fetch (and parse!) another one at the attacker's choice of address.

      This is not a security vulnerability, it's the design of the system in which there was never a requirement to ensure that a client could visit a server multiple times without the server knowing (or inferring) that it was the same client. It's meaningless to say that a protocol is vulnerable because it doesn't meet a property that it was never designed for (any more than RSA is broken because it doesn't offer repudiation).

      Now a client can always elect to send random e-tags, slowing himself down (most dynamic content is not time-cached) and adding to the bandwidth load on the server. I'm sure someone will cook up an extension that does this, and we'll be back to where we were before this non-story.

    4. Re:Secret Agent by kasperd · · Score: 1

      If you get a new etag with new content that's the normal and expected use of etags. They could be tracking, or they could simply have updated their content since you first loaded it.

      True, but since the secondary background probing would be started immediately after page loading has completed, there is only a very short period during which this could happen. So it would only happen in rare cases. The possibility that it could happen is why I would only disable caching for that site temporarily.

      There can be dynamic content, which changes every time you access it. Such content shouldn't be send with an ETag in the first place. It is however an obvious candidate for use in tracking. It is easier to implement, if you don't have to worry about interaction with legitimate use.

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    5. Re:Secret Agent by psydeshow · · Score: 1

      ETags on the other hand store an arbitrary attacker-provided string, which is an outright security vulnerability.

      I hate to break it to you, but the entire browser is nothing but a device for storing (and then parsing!) arbitrary attacker-provided strings....

      This is not a security vulnerability, it's the design of the system in which there was never a requirement to ensure that a client could visit a server multiple times without the server knowing (or inferring) that it was the same client.

      Yep. Bingo.

      Safest solution is to write your own "browser" in PHP or something and keep the request headers limited to just GET and Host:, and don't download any linked stylesheets, scripts, images, favicons, objects, or embeds. Have fun with that!

      It *would* be nice if there was a paranoid mode in Firefox or Chrome that prevented cross-domain resources from being loaded. But that would break a bunch of sites, too, where some yokels bought the argument that speed is everything and spread their frontends over a bunch of different subdomains and third-party CDNs.

    6. Re:Secret Agent by allo · · Score: 1

      Of course, you could use cache times and checking which images were loaded to store information as well. But one image has 1 bit of information, while one single e-tag (i.e. on one imagE) has many bits.

  2. Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Changes were made in the past few years to make it much more difficult to clear the cache frequently and easily.

    You must jump through various menus and dropdowns. The team argued that this was progress, and it helped prevent inadvertant cache clearing. Their argument was very weak.

    It forces me to hassle with yet another plugin to make my very frequent cache clearing quicker. But at least it is now an icon on the toolbar, with no prompting.

    1. Re:Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by Ambiguous+Puzuma · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or you can press Ctrl+Shift+Del. One of the options (which should already be checked if you used it last time) is to clear the cache. A three-key combination and a button click and you're done, with no plugins needed.

    2. Re:Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      Lack of ability to clear the cache at all is why I stopped using Firefox on my tablet, actually... Still haven't found a browser that has as much privacy as I would like, but at least Dolphin lets me turn off cookies entirely and clear history/cache on exit.

    3. Re:Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by seyyah · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or you can press Ctrl+Shift+Del. One of the options (which should already be checked if you used it last time) is to clear the cache. A three-key combination and a button click and you're done, with no plugins needed.

      I also like the Ctrl+Alt+Del option. I've yet to see a website that can track me after that.

    4. Re:Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      rm -r /<your_home_directory>/.mozilla/firefox/<some_peculiar_directory_name>/Cache/* in Linux.

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    5. Re:Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by Mike+Frett · · Score: 2

      Edit>Preferences>Privacy Tab> Check 'Clear History When Firefox Closes' and click Settings to select what to clear on Exit. How is that difficult? Note: This is for the Linux version, I dunno about Mac/Win.

    6. Re:Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by Agent+ME · · Score: 1

      History -> Clear Recent History -> checkmark the cache box

      How much easier do you want it?

    7. Re:Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      see 'prefbar' plugin for firefox. turn off animation, flash, cookies, clear-cache, etc. configurable. been using prefbar for years and my installs always include this plugin.

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    8. Re:Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

      fstab - mount the firefox cache directory on /tmp (ramdisk)

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    9. Re:Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by zippthorne · · Score: 2

      If you're messing with fstab, why not just mount it to its own tmpfs?

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    10. Re:Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by psydeshow · · Score: 1

      Or you can press Ctrl+Shift+Del. One of the options (which should already be checked if you used it last time) is to clear the cache. A three-key combination and a button click and you're done, with no plugins needed.

      Cmd-Shift-Delete on a Mac.

      Nice shortcut, thanks!

    11. Re:Firefox makes cache clearing difficult by allo · · Score: 1

      The most annoying problem: Firefox caches redirects. You cannot easily clear the cache, and it will redirect you, even when the url does not redirect anymore.

  3. Nothing new by deanrock0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did they just invent ETag or what? This "feature" is known for a few years and there are existing implementation, including this one: http://samy.pl/evercookie/ from 2010.

    1. Re:Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Did they just invent ETag or what? This "feature" is known for a few years and there are existing implementation, including this one: http://samy.pl/evercookie/ from 2010.

      The wikipedia article on ETag links to a page from 2003 discussing ETag's usability for tracking.

    2. Re:Nothing new by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      One more reason to use RequestPolicy. A request that isn't even made cannot reveal any information.

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  4. Tracking $$$$ by Ed+The+Meek · · Score: 3, Informative

    Tracking information is worth billions of dollars. With that much money on the line - we'll be tracked like escaped inmates - one way or another.

    1. Re: Tracking $$$$ by Ed+The+Meek · · Score: 2

      Well, that sounds good in theory, but I doubt that any laws would be written in such a way as to actually cure the problem. Usually too many loopholes in the laws. Like the "established business relationship" in telemarketing laws. Oh, and there's always the NSA....

    2. Re:Tracking $$$$ by hedwards · · Score: 1

      You do realize that this is the result of the legislation being watered down to permit that behavior, right? Causing problems so that you can be antigovernment is not a strategy for better governance. It's a strategy to ensure that the government never functions well.

    3. Re:Tracking $$$$ by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      I agree that beyond a few hot button primarily social issues (the issues that are at best paid lip service by the parties, but gets the blindeyed partisans really riled up--abortion, gay marriage, immigration, taxes, etc) there's little difference between the parties in overall philosophy. Neither pants wants a small--or even a smaller--government, they just want it big in different ways.

      It's long been noted that despite their intense mutual loathing, many of the complaints of the Tea Party and Occupy are the same. Many of (Ron/Rand) Paul's and Dennis Kucinich's complaints are the same. One would never accuse Tea Party, Occupy, Pauls, or Kucinich of being moderates or on the same end of the spectrum, yet they share a lot in common.

      However, your statement is patently silly. Beyond the implicitly nebulous nature of left/right (and of course you will trot out the tired "but in Europe Democrats/Republicans would be..." trope. Europe is only one, relatively small example of the spectrum of left/right politics worldwide), many--if not most--of Obama's plank platforms are not in the slightest rightwing. Maybe, just to toss this out there, it's just that the Democrats have gone so far left (and the big government Republicans have followed), that you can't tell the difference either!

    4. Re:Tracking $$$$ by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2

      I guess the corollary is that todays USA "conservative" is not that far away from Franco or Mussolini. (By the way, Hitler was not a leftist).

      Ease up on the hyperbole, eh?

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    5. Re: Tracking $$$$ by grantspassalan · · Score: 2

      Is there a law that states that browser makers, such as Microsoft, Apple and others MUST include all that extraneous information that their browsers send to Web servers without the user's permission? Why must there be *any* information sent to a Web server other than the actual request for data? Why must a Web server know any information at all about what kind of an OS, sites last visited or whether or not a user has visited a site before? If these companies that make browsers really cared about privacy, they would enable their users to select which, if any, of this data to send out on the Internet. Perhaps somebody might get rich making a browser that allows users to return off the sending of all that extra information.

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    6. Re:Tracking $$$$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      hitler called himself a socialist that doesn't mean he actually was one

      as usual with politicians: ignore the retoric and watch what they actually do

    7. Re:Tracking $$$$ by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Only in the US does Obama get called leftist. He is either centrist or moderate rightist.

      http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-conservative-obama/

      Compare his policies to Ronald Reagan and you will find very little difference. For example both ran huge deficits in order to stimulate job growth.

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/11/20/channeling-the-gipper.html

      The fact of the matter is that the right wing of American politics has become really extreme over the past 10 years.

    8. Re: Tracking $$$$ by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Why must a Web server know any information at all about what kind of an OS, sites last visited or whether or not a user has visited a site before?

      You have a point about the OS and half a point about "site visited before" (but that's one thing I don't care about; if I visit a site I expect the site to know that), however the browser does not by default send a list of sites last visited. That's only revealed by tricks using features which were certainly not intended for that .

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    9. Re:Tracking $$$$ by hedwards · · Score: 1

      In case anybody is wondering why I'm so mean to conservatives, this kind of dribble is precisely why.

      Considering that the GOP Presidents spent $10tn of the national debt, mostly during good times, it's hilarious that you're singling out Obama for being a thief. What's more, the largest transfer of wealth in US history happened because the Federal Reserve decided that inflation is a good thing and then set the inflation rate higher than the interest rates. Basically adding more paper to ensure that the rate of inflation would be higher than the interbank loan rates.

    10. Re:Tracking $$$$ by hedwards · · Score: 1

      It's not silly. It is somewhat arbitrary which side you label as being left and which is right. However, the spectrum is the same no matter where you live in the world. In no part of the world is Hitler a moderate, nor Stalin for that matter.

      Obama's policies are roughly in the middle between the two extremes in general. Sure on things like security, he's on the right, but for the most part, his policies are in the middle.

    11. Re:Tracking $$$$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In case anybody is wondering why I'm so mean to conservatives,

      No, you are mean because you think the purpose of the government is to punish people you don't like, not to do good things for the people. You get a thrill up your leg every time a tax increase is mentioned because for some reason you think it will apply to other people and not you. You get excited when you hear about new regulations because you think it will destroy companies you don't like and you don't give a crap about how many people will lose thier jobs when that happens, just as long as the three people at the top are "taught a lesson"

      What you fail to see is government abuse hurts everyone, including you. You are just another moronic idiot voting for more opporession on yourself because you think being a good little DNC voter will make you immune to such things.

    12. Re:Tracking $$$$ by Ixokai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing is, you're wrong.

      Very, very little of what Obama wants or has done is even close to what the progressives of the left actually want. Health care reform? He enacted the model proposed by the Republicans and devised by a right wing think-tank to create a market-based approach to near-universal healthcare: if you think the left is happy with Obamacare, you're not paying attention.

      Its simply *better*, and so we will stick with it. What the left wanted was a single-payer really universal healthcare, but we compromised and were willing to go along with the ACA as long as we'd get a single-payer *option*. Then that got dropped, but most of the left decided to support the ACA anyways because really, it was better then what we have now.

      Obama is a centrist; center-right in most issues, occasionally center-left. There is nothing even remotely radical about anything he's done, there's been no great pull to the left. The left has gone a bit farther left then we were a decade or so ago, but that's been in response to the monumental shift the right has gone.

      There's a wholesale assault on reproductive and fundamental voting rights going on from the right these days, which is just stunning in that these are things that *only* the most extreme of the right's base want.

      On civil rights, surveillance, foreign policy, environment, business regulation, ... and on and on, Obama is not at all in line with what the left wants. He's just not as bad as what the crazy people on the far right want.

      Yes, there are some narrow places where the far left and the libertarian wing of the far right actually agree, and its weird when it happens: but those are on very specific and very narrow issues. The problem with that libertarian wing is then they fall flat on their face in when the social conservative bloc of the far right has to be dealt with in primaries, and suddenly small government meets bedroom and private health, and oops.

    13. Re:Tracking $$$$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not that they don't have some of the same complaints, its what they want to do about those complaints.

      The Pauls, Teas and Repubs all want more corporate control over our lives and government so small the only thing it can regulate is a vagina all while the public still gets spied on, the water gets poisoned with industrial waste and the food supply is filled with every disease and genetic modification ever discovered by man and some we have yet to find all for a quick buck this quarter, the future be damned since they wont be prosecuted and even if they are they'll have their golden parachute to fall back on in Milan.

      While the left wants companies and government out of our personal lives and instead want the government to force the companies to not the things that are not good for anyone else but the executives and their paid off personal politicians.

      In the middle you have most of the democratic party led Obama, the spineless compromiser in chief.

    14. Re:Tracking $$$$ by dave420 · · Score: 1

      If we remove the ability for those people to track us, doesn't that mean that those Sagans of dollars need to be put back in to the industry in order for our current "internet experience" to remain as it is? I'm not saying where we're currently at is great or all, but if it is that large amount of money, we'll notice the difference if it leaves.

  5. Secret Agent addon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The addon's homepage appears to be this:
    https://www.dephormation.org.uk/?page=81

  6. Just clear the cache... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On all of our PCs, Opera and Firefox are set to clear their caches and delete all cookies etc. every time they exit.
    Also, I occasionally clear all private data while browsing in Opera, including the cache, cookies, history, and so forth (passwords are never saved by the browser). Obviously, I have to log in again the next time I visit slashdot.

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    1. Re:Just clear the cache... by aliquis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      delete all cookies etc. every time they exit.

      I have to log in again the next time I visit slashdot.

      Too much work. Well, except if I'd never quit the browser but then it wouldn't make any difference.

    2. Re:Just clear the cache... by SGT+CAPSLOCK · · Score: 2

      Security is a trade-off. It's always going to take more work to set up and maintain security for yourself than it would to, say, remain traceable and insecure.

      If you're lazy, then you're certainly the best kind of target.

  7. Another Job for RequestPolicy by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

    The RequestPolicy add-on should handle this too. RequestPolicy blocks cross-site references by default and lets you whitelist individual cases. If you don't even talk to the tracker websites then they can't track you.

    If the main website you access tracks you via etags the risk is limited to tracking your actions on that website which you'd have problems avoiding anyway since they can track you via ip address or if you have an account on that website.

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    1. Re:Another Job for RequestPolicy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I use RequestPolicy, and it definitely isn't for most people. It increases the amount of effort needed to browse the web by a factor of ten.

      Every other site I go to is actually served from about two dozen separate locations. CSS comes from one domain, images come from as many as 6 domains, javascript comes from as many as 3 domains, and it isn't unheard of to see twenty different sets of trackers and widgets getting bolted on, not including the addidional baggage that they bring.

      It's fucking ridiculous.

      Oddly enough, sites hosting their own tracking will make RequestPolicy fail miserably, since it only deals with cross site refs. Such sites are the exception, though.

    2. Re:Another Job for RequestPolicy by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

      I find that about half the sites I go to don't require any whitelisting at all, another ~30% are good enough with white-listing only a couple of other sites (usually CDNs). But it does take a while to get the hang of guessing which are the required sites and which are just fluff and/or trackers.

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    3. Re:Another Job for RequestPolicy by Idetuxs · · Score: 1

      Luckily for us, most sites have petitions to domains like wetrackyou.com, adsadsandmore.com, doubleclick, exoclick, and so on. The CDNs are identifiable by the name too. And lots of petitions to googleapis, googleanalytics, googleajax (or something like that).

      But yes, every time you go to a site never visited before it may be a struggle. That's something to think about when designing websites.

      *Surprisingly way more cross site petitions to google domains than to facebook's. WAY more. It's actually really impressive, like if google owns the frickin internet.

    4. Re:Another Job for RequestPolicy by TCM · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it must be immensely hard to have a domain foobar.org and just create a cdn.foobar.org subdomain. Instead, every hipster startup goes to register fbrcdn.org instead. It's as if noone understands DNS anymore - every purpose gets a new domain instead of having a good structure.

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    5. Re:Another Job for RequestPolicy by allo · · Score: 1

      hosting you own tracking isn't bad at all. You know what i'm doing at your site, anyway. Because you have the httpd-logs. But services like google analytics provide the page owner very limited information, but have themself detailed information where the user was, because many many sites are using it, and it can track the user across all these sites.

  8. They just don't seem to get the message by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I always imagine the webserver as having an internal conversation that goes sort of like this...

    Hey, a new visitor to the website? I wonder who he is?
    Well, I'll just drop a cookie on there to keep track of him... and, hmm, it seems he's blocking cookies.
    Oh well, let me just insert this bit of Javascript; that'll work just as well.
    Dear oh dear, it seems Javascript isn't working.
    No worries, I'll just insert a little 0-byte web-bug graphic and... wait? That's prevented as well?
    Damn it, Flash-cookie! That'll get him! WHAT?!?!? Disabled as well?
    E-Tag! That has to work, right?
    ARGH!!!!!

    Gee... I wonder if he's trying to tell me something like, oh I don't know, "I don't like being tracked".

    Nah, who doesn't like being pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered? I wonder if there's some other way I can use...

    You might think at this point that companies and advertisers start getting the message. Instead, they just keep finding more and sleazier ways. All these technologies have valid uses but have been so abused by corporations and marketing that people increasingly don't trust it anywhere. It just further antagonizes the very people they are trying to connect with. And then they wonder why they lose the respect and trust of their customers, resulting in an ever-more aggressive relationship between the two.

    Some days I dream about what the Internet might have been like had Canter and Siegel been definitively smacked down back in '94, setting an inviolable precedent that the 'Net was not a platform welcoming /any/ advertising. What repercussions might that have had on the world as a whole?

    1. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Some days I dream about what the Internet might have been like had Canter and Siegel been definitively smacked down back in '94, setting an inviolable precedent that the 'Net was not a platform welcoming /any/ advertising. What repercussions might that have had on the world as a whole?

      Well the advertising giant Google would cease to exist, for one....

    2. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      You might think at this point that companies and advertisers start getting the message. Instead, they just keep finding more and sleazier ways.

      Which companies? You do realize that this is a browser feature, right? Mozilla et. al. introduced this into the browser, not some third-party. Go look up the Bugzilla page and commit for this feature for the guy's name and contact info.

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    3. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by CRCulver · · Score: 2

      Some days I dream about what the Internet might have been like had Canter and Siegel been definitively smacked down back in '94, setting an inviolable precedent that the 'Net was not a platform welcoming /any/ advertising.

      The global economy would be smaller and internet access would be less available worldwide. Once the model of advertising-supported services arose, people in the third world could have nice things like e-mail and entertainment in spite of their countries' lack of means or an infrastructure where individuals could pay for whatever they used themselves.

      It's easy for someone in the West to say, "They should just bill you $20 a month for your usage of service x, and get rid of advertising", but try to be considerate of the rest of the world.

    4. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Part of the issue is browsers/programs that portray cookies in a bad light. When malware scanners flag cookies as "harmful to your computer", people get nervous about all cookies and want them gone (then wonder why they have to keep logging in).

    5. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by bbn · · Score: 4, Funny

      E-Tag! That has to work, right?
      ARGH!!!!!

      Gee... I wonder if he's trying to tell me something like, oh I don't know, "I don't like being tracked".

      By this point you are being tracked as the guy that blocked everything else. There is only going to be one of you.

    6. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Some of us don't like being stalked by the government or the corporations that own it.

    7. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      unintended consequences are not intended, you would think that was obvious.

      What do you suppose the intended consequences were, then? Keep in mind that cookies already exist, and did so when this feature was added.

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    8. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      You do realize that this is a browser feature, right?

      *WHOOSH*

    9. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by mopower70 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You might think at this point that companies and advertisers start getting the message. Instead, they just keep finding more and sleazier ways. All these technologies have valid uses but have been so abused by corporations and marketing that people increasingly don't trust it anywhere.

      I'm honestly curious here. Advertising isn't going away. It's what keeps the Internet "free". So you're saying you'd rather have completely irrelevant advertising than stuff you may actually be interested in? When I'm in the market for any kind of product, I actively seek out sources of advertising to survey what's available. Being flooded with irrelevant information and advertisements (like happens on the radio and television) is personally unnecessary but financially necessary noise to provide the content I want. I'll take trackers any day over having to pay for every single site I visit.

    10. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      What do you suppose the intended consequences were, then?

      Less network traffic.

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    11. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, that's what I'm saying. I don't want these people to know what I want. They have proven that they will take advantage of that, and try to make me impulse-buy things when I'm at my most vulnerable to targeted ads.

      Ads are not a good way to form a worthwhile opinion on what product is the best for you, the consumer. They're designed to drown out the competition and are practically worthless for making a judgement call, unless you happen to notice it's something you already wanted that has a special-offer.

      Without competition, ads are no more relevant than they were without being targeted. I've seen no evidence of more competition with more targeted ads. I just get the same products over and over, from whomever can afford the most ads. It's not a healthy situation for commerce.

      Plus, if it's something I'm going to buy, I'll buy it. I don't need an ad asking me to click on it while I'm doing other things. I'd rather the business model was revamped than the customer's privacy model.

      If ads can sustain the web as-is, then I don't see a need to "upgrade" them. And if they can't, then it's just another reason to revamp the business model instead of desperately clinging to it.

    12. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Once the model of advertising-supported services arose, people in the third world could have nice things like e-mail and entertainment in spite of their countries' lack of means or an infrastructure where individuals could pay for whatever they used themselves.

      You know that is only true because advertising is imprecise, right? Those people have no money to buy crap anyway so advertising is completely wasted on them. If the advertising people could figure out a way to avoid paying for ads targeting people like that they would and that would quickly mean that the service providers would drop them too. Kind of like how streaming video sites use geo-location to block them now.

      So it isn't really a benefit so much as an accident that may be corrected at any time. We would be better off coming up with another way to get the poor online instead.

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    13. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Advertising isn't going away. It's what keeps the Internet "free"."

      Ad-infested internet is not 'free'. The internet started ad-free, and was much more free than at present.

      The myth that the web needs advertising is only pushed by... you guessed it, advertisers. The web does not need ads, and would actually benefit greatly from the elimination of advertising.

    14. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by dltaylor · · Score: 1

      Hardly; still isn't known to be using an anonymizer.

    15. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by Arrogant-Bastard · · Score: 2

      You know, we had a "free" Internet long before the advertising filth showed up and began polluting it. They are expendable, although they would certainly like you to believe that they're not. "Oh noooes the free sites could go away with advertising!!"

      Yes, they could. So what?

      Newcomers (anyone who didn't have an address ending in .ARPA is new) are directed to study the history of the 'net. Those of adequate perception will quickly realize that it was flourishing WITHOUT the hordes of imbeciles, WITHOUT the masses of illiterates, WITHOUT the tracking and ads and spam. Our mistake was not crushing these out of existence with ruthless ferocity as soon as they appeared: every ignorant newbie should have been flamed to oblivion, every spammer's business destroyed. We were far too nice and far too tolerant, and thus...look at what we have now. But it didn't have to turn out that way. And it still doesn't. The situation is fixable.

      Ads don't reach because I have those sites firewalled or null-routed. I don't care to look at them or have my extremely valuable time and resources wasted by them. Nor do I wish to be exposed to the malware and other attacks carried by an increasing number of them. I recommend this same approach to others: block them at your network perimeter: ALL of them. Yes, this will have consequences -- good consequences. It passes the "what if everyone did it? test because if that happened it would starve the ad networks of revenue and deprive of the resources they require to engage in ever-more-intrusive tracking and data collection on Internet users. Everyone won't do that, of course: but those who do will reap at least some of the benefits. Perhaps that will be enough. I certainly hope so.

    16. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      And we're the ones that understand what we're doing when we disable cookies or tracking for certain sites.

    17. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm honestly curious here. Advertising isn't going away. It's what keeps the Internet "free".

      Sorry, I have to call BS here. I've been on the Internet (USENET), since the early 90's. There was no advertising, spam was unheard of (for a couple more years anyway), and there was actual content worthy of reading (no there wasn't crap sites like Facebook, or Twittter that only exist to stroke people's egos by telling them how many "friends" they have). You are following the same failed logic that the cable companies use. When cable was first started, it was advertising free because you were already paying to receive it. Then, as the months went by the advertisers started sneaking the ads back in. Now we have to pay a monthly cable bill AND watch 23+ minutes of advertising every hour. This is not counting things like product placements.

      I'm sure that if no advertising was allowed, the Internet would have become a place where actual content exists instead of the empty wasteland of crap sites similar to watching mindless "reality" shows on evening television.

    18. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      In what sense? As opposed to a cookie, how much less network traffic is sent? What percentage of the average page size does that represent?

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    19. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The ETag feature is supposed to help caching. That's why it was implemented. It's a unique ID associated with a particular version of a page, the browser sends a code saying "Send me X if the current version isn't $ETag, a copy of which I already have", and the server responds either to say the browser has an up-to-date version or sends the updated version.

      Why not use timestamps or something like that, I pretend you ask? Well, because that's a less reliable method, as we've learned over many decades of trying to get that to work. Plus, I hate to mention it, but you can probably profile a user based upon a collection of timestamps if you try...

      The network traffic saved is that saved by not sending new copies of every single image and static HTML page every time the user navigates around a website and sees common content. With today's image-heavy web design, I'd estimate it's at least 100k (this /comments.pl I'm-using-to-write-a-reply-to-you Slashdot page alone has over 200k of images, yet is only 11k of HTML), and up to a megabyte, per page, probably constituting more than 90% per click, averaged over pages you've been to, pages you haven't but that are part of a website you've already navigated some of, and pages on websites you've navigating for the first time.

      So yeah, it's quite a substantial amount of bandwidth being saved.

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    20. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by Hypotensive · · Score: 1

      Time to break open the adverts for products to improve your privacy!

    21. Re:They just don't seem to get the message by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      All those images that you mention should have a long-term cache set on them.

      In my limited experience writing web applications, I've have files that I would long-term cache (1 year, such as .png images) and no cache (actual dynamic pages). The site homepage I might set to cache for 1 hour or so. Also, the client client could set the "If-Modified-Since" header. This is a solved problem, with many solutions for different use cases. Also, the 'store data on the client' idea is also a solved problem with cookies. If a page needs a more dynamic cache than what is available, then use a cookie to set the version of each page that is had. I suppose that the etag is like a per-page cookie as opposed to a per-site cookie (only guessing) which might have some advantage if the dev is uncreative enough to use real cookies properly.

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  9. Panopticlick is another method by danceswithtrees · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The ETag method is a clever solution to cookieless tracking. I find this method I stumbled upon a couple of weeks ago a bit startling. I had no idea the amount of information routinely sent from my browser/computer to web servers-- information about plug-ins, time zone, screen resolution, accepted headers, etc WITHOUT letting me know. It is enough to give more than 21 bits of identifying information and uniquely identifies me among the 3M visits.

    https://panopticlick.eff.org/

    1. Re:Panopticlick is another method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The ETag method is a clever solution to keep the ammount of re-retrievals of unchanged data to a minimum.
      It gets abused by certain people for cookieless tracking

      There, fixed it for you. :-)

      I've been wondering for quite some time (IIRC years, in which I've simply blocked all of them) why ETags has not been getting more publicity as another "store am unique ID on the users machine" method.

      It looks like that both the security-hole researchers and browser-builders are not as clever as they want us to believe (or maybe something bad is going on ...)

    2. Re:Panopticlick is another method by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      You cannot win. If you don't respond with anything, then that still identifies you uniquely, since nobody else does that.

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    3. Re:Panopticlick is another method by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      And With PRISM's power's combined, welcome to the Panopticon. -- Panopticlick's namesake. TADA: The world is now a giant prison.

      Bentham himself described the Panopticon as "a new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind, in a quantity hitherto without example."

      Indeed.

    4. Re:Panopticlick is another method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We just assumed that it was already long common knowledge that etags were used for tracking?

    5. Re:Panopticlick is another method by nmb3000 · · Score: 2

      The ETag method is a clever solution to cookieless tracking. I find this method I stumbled upon a couple of weeks ago a bit startling. I had no idea the amount of information routinely sent from my browser/computer to web servers-- information about plug-ins, time zone, screen resolution, accepted headers, etc WITHOUT letting me know. It is enough to give more than 21 bits of identifying information and uniquely identifies me among the 3M visits.

      https://panopticlick.eff.org/

      Yep. It's absurd, and unfortunately many "privacy-enhancing" tools (for example, anything that alters the user agent) can actually make a browser more unique rather than less-so.

      NoScript is an exception, and one that works very well. I know it's parroted on Slashdot a lot, but if you care about privacy and security on the web there isn't a single better option. Using Panopticlick on my browser as an example:

      Without NoScript: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 3,316,576 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 21.66 bits of identifying information.

      With NoScript: Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 2,433 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 11.25 bits of identifying information.

      Still not great, but a lot better than unique. It's quite unfortunate that the web evolved with the assumption that arbitrary code may be executed in the browser. If we had started out instead with an opt-in approach to Javascript, I think things would be quite a bit better now in terms of privacy and security than they currently are.

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    6. Re:Panopticlick is another method by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm screwed. From panopticlick: "Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 3,319,469 tested so far."
      And later, "21.66 bits of identifying information". Turns out much of it comes from the fonts at 18.69, but the plugins kill it, with the full 21.66.

      I like being an individual when I'm at home, so to speak, but when out and about on the 'Net I'd prefer being an anonymous face in the crowd. I have ghostery to prevent tracking via cookies and web bugs, but have no idea about these etag things, never heard of them before.

      Ah, crap. It's getting to the point that David Brin's idea of "The Transparent Society" is looking better all the time. Even so, one wants to say, "You first."

    7. Re:Panopticlick is another method by allo · · Score: 1

      yes and no.

      They are proud, they can extract that much information. Yes, this is bad. BUT, if you consider, that much of this information is unstable (think of installing a new font), the fingerprinting gets more complicated and you need some machine learning to extract the relevant data and/or match changed fingerprints, to correlate them to the same user. This is possible, but then a fingerprint is not an 100% unique thing, even when panopticlick believes it, because matching two slightly changed fingerprints lowers the chance of having the same user from 100% to 99% or something. And the more the fingerprint changes, the wore the result will be.

      So, maybe the best option is, to randomize many of these values on browser start.

  10. Gaming the trackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Want to get back at the folks tracking? Blocking or changing the communications with thigns like Ghostery or SecretAgent is great. However, if there was software that connected to the tracking servers but never completed the TCP connection, thus leaving the tracker with a bunch of half open TCP connections, then one could effectively ddos the trackers. There are several other techniques along these lines that can be employed. What good is a tracking system that is clogged up with connections that never complete or fail in various unfriendly ways?

    Captcha: capacity

    1. Re:Gaming the trackers by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      How do you know which URL is the tracking one? What if its that CDN one that delivers actual content your browser needs to render the page? Like some CSS or Javascript resource.

    2. Re:Gaming the trackers by xelah · · Score: 1

      Umm.....so someone uses an ETag legitimately on their dynamic site, and you respond by DDoSing them? That's sort of the problem.....you have no idea if they're tracking you or not, and a great deal of wanted legitimate content will come with ETags.

  11. Re:Can't talk to trackers? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    OK, then please tell me how host files can at the same time stop third-party requests to a site (like embedded YouTube videos, or Facebook like buttons) and at the same time allow explicit access of the very same site (that is, when you explicitly go to Youtube or Facebook).

    With RequestPolicy that's trivial (indeed, it's the default, you don't even need to know the third party site to be sure that it is blocked, let alone explicitly deny it).

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  12. ETag leaks between Incognito mode and regular mode by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 4, Informative

    It also seems to leak info between regular windows and incognito mode in chromium. I assume the cache is shared between the modes, and they need separate caches.

  13. My browser passed the test by Skapare · · Score: 1

    My browser passed because of the way I start it. A whole new user/home environment is dynamically created every time I start a browser. I originally did this so that as I browse hundreds of sites, I don't end up with extreme memory waste. This was done back in an older version that was quite memory leaky. It would build up too much in-process memory as I visited sites, and eventually crash. So I ended up with multiple browsers running (separate processes). At first that might seem to have used even more memory. But that was at the OS level where I did have more, including swap space. But it was at least finite since when I left some website, its browser actually exited, rather than just unlink fragmented virtual pages. Today I just haven't changed it now more because of the tracking breakage it creates. I can still be tracked within a site like Slashdot. Slashdot know what articles I read and what articles I ignore. Slashdot know what I post. But I am logged in, so "duh". No, it's not perfect at all, as the Slashdot advertisers can see my repeat appearances, too. But at least they can't so easily figure out what other sites I visit, besides the IP address (which I plan to work on some day).

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  14. Re:I don't get it by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    HOW in hell shoud the server now know WHICH of the 50 NATed clients (all coming from the same ip and
    with timed out syn-ack-fin stuff) wants to upload the funny.cat picture?

    Session cookies.

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  15. Re:can I set firefox to not send back etags at all by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    It's not the loading of the HTML file which is avoided with ETags, but the loading of the image. Basically, if the image today is still the same as the image last week, and the image from last week is still in the cache, then it makes sense not to load the image again.

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  16. Its nowhere near as good as a cookie by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    You can't correlate access across multiple URLs, since every URL has a different ETag.

    1. Re:Its nowhere near as good as a cookie by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      So you just put the same image on each page.

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    2. Re:Its nowhere near as good as a cookie by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      But then you need to rely on the Referer header to find out where the user came from. You still have no idea who they are unless the HTML URL gives away the identity of the user. All you can tell is anonymous user A went to pages X Y and Z.

      Common "internet security" software packages blank out referer headers.
      Browsers won't send the referer header if the HTML page came from an HTTPS location and the other resource is not HTTPS

    3. Re:Its nowhere near as good as a cookie by null+etc. · · Score: 1

      But then you need to rely on the Referer header to find out where the user came from

      There's this web technology called "query string parameters" that can be appended to any request for a resource on the web. A query string parameter containing a site identifier is more than enough to correlate with an etag identifier.

    4. Re:Its nowhere near as good as a cookie by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      But you need to deliver the query string in the HTML page on a different URL, and any change you make to the query string, results in the browser treating it as a different resource and will not send the ETag value. So when you append the 'site identifier' the browser treats it as a different URL. The same base URL with a different query string will not resend the same ETag.

      Let me spell it out for you again: A URL includes the query string. If you change the query string, you've changed the URL.
      The browser stores the ETag against the local cache entry, which is associated with the URL - including the query string.

      All you will be able to tell is "Anonymous User A visited site X at Y" You can't track them through multiple URL's using solely the ETag.

      The best thing that can be done is a website can associate a browser with their a users session after they have logged out and cleared their cookies (unless they clear their file cache too, or the files in their cache have been purged)

    5. Re:Its nowhere near as good as a cookie by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      The best thing that can be done is a website can associate a browser with their a users session after they have logged out and cleared their cookies

      So, kind of (exactly) like a cookie, then? What am I missing?

      Okay, the server can't immediately identify you if all you do is fetch index.html, for example*, but it's pretty trivial for a server to correlate the user who fetches index.html with the user who fetches an image in index.html milliseconds later. HTTP requests don't exist in total isolation by any means.

      *assuming it's not tagged, itself

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  17. Re:Can't talk to trackers? by nmb3000 · · Score: 2

    I know, replying to APK about magical hosts files is pointless, but here we go anyway:

    Can you answer these two questions:

    How many domains and subdomains does Facebook operate?
    Please make sure to include those added in the last 4 hours!

    Can you enumerate every domain used to host advertising and/or malware on the planet?
    Please make sure to account for dynamically changing and the infinite number of wildcard domains!

    If you cannot give me exact answers, then your hosts file method is useless and obsolete. Please wake up and stop peddling your crap here.

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  18. Not new, apparently by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_ETag

    ETags can be used to track unique users,[2] as HTTP cookies are increasingly deleted by privacy-aware users. In July 2011, Ashkan Soltani and a team of researchers at UC Berkeley reported that a number of websites, including Hulu.com, were using ETags for tracking purposes.[3] Hulu and KISSmetrics have both ceased "respawning" as of 29 July 2011,[4] as KISSmetrics and over 20 of its clients are facing a class-action lawsuit over the use of "undeletable" tracking cookies partially involving the use of ETags.

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  19. Re:Using YOUR example? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    I don't see YouTube ads.

    I'm not speaking about ads served on YouTube (actually I didn't remember that those actually exist, having seen none for quite some time). I'm speaking about YouTube embedded videos on non-YouTube sites.

    Hosts work for it apparently

    I know for sure that those embedded videos, when they come from YouTube, are loaded directly from youtube.com (or one of the other common YouTube domains, like youtube.de). I know that because every one and then, I decide that I want to see the embedded video, and decide that it's worth more for me than the tiny bit of possible tracking that involves (since most accesses are blocked, I don't think that the little tracking data from the very few videos on third party sites I actually watch is too valuable anyway). BTW, that's another thing you cannot do with host files: Easy temporary enabling.

    As far as ads on YouTube go, if they were served from the same server as YouTube itself, RequestPolicy wouldn't work either (but then, I've also got AdBlock Plus installed, as a second line of defense). It's not only ads which cause cross-site requests (and thus potential information leaks).

    Proof's "in the pudding" results I get!

    No, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. But since you were speaking about a whole different pudding than I did, your conclusion doesn't hold.

    BTW, I notice the absence of an argument about Facebook (whose "like" buttons are the far more important tracking mechanism anyway).

    And the slowdown by RequestPolicy is certainly not noticeable (and my computer is over seven years old; I wonder how old yours must be to notice the difference). Nor should it be; after all, it's just a comparison of short strings.

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  20. Re:can I set firefox to not send back etags at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When I open a new webpage I would like the newest version but I don't think it is much time saved by webserver generating the webpage, then calculate a checksum or whatever (I mean for pages not using etags for tracking...), and then compare it to the etag the webbrowser sent, and then if equal reply they are equal - instead if just sending the page it generated! it is just a html file, shouldn't be that many kb.

    Well, first off, it's not "just an html file", because ETags also apply to the images. So once the html is downloaded, do you want it fetching multiple MB-scale images (in the case of, e.g. a photo gallery) from scratch even though you've got a cached copy? (No.) Do you want it using the cached images regardless of whether the images have been changed? (No.) So you need to use one of four schemes:

    1. TTL-based. If the server knows when the new image will be modified, or knows some acceptable time that things can lag, it could state a TTL when you first download the image. Your browser keeps the TTL in cache with the image, and next time you load that image, if TTL has expired, you fetch a fresh copy; if not, use the cached copy. Done with Expires: or Cache-Control: maxage.

    2. client-timestamp-based. The client provides a timestamp of when their cached image was retrieved, and makes a request using If-Modified-Since: header; the server makes the determination whether that version's the same or not, and responds appropriately.

    3. server-timstamp-based. The server provides a Last-Modified: timestamp, the client uses this (instead of the last retrieval) when making the If-Modified-Since: request and the server determines if it's changed since then and responds appropriately.

    4. server-tag-based. The server assigns a ETag: tag to the image, which is cached along with the image. When requesting a cached image, the client includes this tag in an If-None-Match: header, the web server compares the tag to the current version's tag, and responds appropriately.

    From a functionality perspective, 1. is horrible for anything not updated on a strict schedule (e.g. at the top of each hour) -- you end up reloading a bunch of stuff that hasn't changed because the TTL has to be set short. 2. is almost perfect if you're honest, but not very good if the client lies for better privacy. 3. is similarly almost perfect. 4. is perfect, slightly edging out 2. or 3. in the practically-rare case where there's a change followed by a reversion, and your cache holds the old version (which now matches the current version again). 4. will correctly skip the download while 2. will reload needlessly. (Actually, 2. or 3. can work around this, at the expense of the server maintaining a log of checksums at every change, but this breaks things even further for the dishonest client.) Additionally, 4. removes the requirement for a coherent clock on the server, which might matter in embedded web servers.

    From a privacy perspective, 1. is pretty good. 2. leaks information about when you last visited, but the client can lie (basically, reduce the granularity, rounding to the previous hour or day) to increase collisions. 3. is of course bad for privacy as the server can give you a false Last-Modified:, but if you trust the server to be honest, is good because because the granularity is automatically reduced as far as possible, but no further -- if the data goes unchanged for 3 months, the web server can only tell you accessed it in those three months, but if it's changed multiple times in 1 hour, you will only download it when you need a new version -- whereas the lying-client version of 2. will redownload it every time if it's been changed since the last rounded time. 4. is likewise bad for privacy, and should only be used with servers you trust not to use any user- or session-specific information in generating the tags (i.e. tag=f(content) only). If the tag depends solely on the content, though, it's better than 2. for the same reason and in the same way 3. is.

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  21. Re:can I set firefox to not send back etags at all by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    what websites changes the content of their images (instead of letting the web page point to a new image url) ?

    Wikipedia, for a start (whenever you upload a new version of the image).

    Also, the image may be dynamically generated from changing data, say stock charts, or captured from a web cam.

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  22. Re:I don't get it by Phroggy · · Score: 1

    No need to wait for a TCP connection to time out. As soon as the page has finished loading, all connections are closed. HTTP is a stateless protocol; just because you have a web page open in front of you doesn't mean there's any connection to the server right now.

    If you're not using cookies, you can use query strings to track state. For every link on the page, you add a query string to the URL containing a session ID number, so when the user clicks any link, the session ID is passed in the query string. But that looks ugly, so you should just use cookies.

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  23. Re: I don't get it by Phroggy · · Score: 1

    FTP is a stupid protocol and needs to die. Please use something else (such as SFTP).

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  24. Vodafone injects the X-VF-ACR header by wabrandsma · · Score: 1

    Vodafone makes tracking of users possible which does not require access to the user's equipment. The HTTP request is enriched with a piece of identifying information. This involves an HTTP header called X-VF-ACR: 'Vodafone Anonymous Customer Recognition.'

    See also: http://referaat.cs.utwente.nl/conference/16/paper/7306/using-browser-properties-for-fingerprinting-purposes.pdf (pdf)

  25. How about... by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Simply not allowing 3rd party URL's on any website. Sure it might break some ancient things but you shouldn't really be including iframe's, cookies, JavaScript or anything else from a 3rd party domain anyway.

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  26. Re:can I set firefox to not send back etags at all by WQSE · · Score: 1

    is it impossible to set the web browser to never use etags?
    (without clearing the cache but never store any etags it gets)

    I'm using Modify Headers since Firefox 3.6 to filter and and modify ETag and some other headers. http://www.garethhunt.com/modifyheaders/
    I realised it was used for tracking some years ago when I happen to notice some cached images carried the tag.

    I don't think you can avoid storing the tag as it is image meta data.

  27. Re:WRONG: I meant those by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    You just proved that your reading comprehension is a complete failure. Here's a hint to you: If your answer contains the word "ad", it is most probably not a proper answer to my post.

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  28. NY Times by careysb · · Score: 1

    OK, so how does the NY Times track me. I'm running Firefox on Win 7, I've cleared my cache, I've cleared my cookies, I've cleared the Flash cookies, no luck.

  29. Re:ETag leaks between Incognito mode and regular m by complete+loony · · Score: 1

    Incognito modes have never been about being anonymous to the web sites you visit. It's all about leaving no trace on the local machine.

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  30. More on cookieless tracking by DJ+Beret · · Score: 1

    There are more sneaky ways than ETags to track you without cookies. Some of the more diabolic schemes involve sending you a specially crafted PNG file, then reading is pixel values using HTML5 canvas, or inserting invisible links into pages and then checking if they have the ":visited" pseudo-class. For more information, see the Wikipedia entry for Evercookie.

    Anyway, most of these techniques can be mitigated by clearing your cache. I clear mine after each browsing session, so while I might get tracked for a few hours, I should appear as a different person the next time I come online.

  31. md5sum and sha1sum not matching by kill_-9 · · Score: 1

    Has anyone noticed that the xpi file downloaded from the Dephormation website does not agree with the values published on that website?

    From my PC:
    26-Aug-13 01:40 PM 497,689 SecretAgent.xpi

    F:\downloads>sha1sum SecretAgent.xpi
    294673877b38e6044248cfd51f91542886297090 SecretAgent.xpi

    F:\downloads>md5sum SecretAgent.xpi
    d60880a495465aa0df69c4bb3312799e *SecretAgent.xpi

    From: https://www.dephormation.org.uk/?page=2 website:

    Latest version 5.21 (released 2013-04-14).

    Please follow the installation instructions below carefully. Protect your right to communication privacy, security, and integrity. Stop Phorm.

    MD5 Checksum: 7458753a7f54aac38e56f802fa7eb731
    SHA1 Checksum: 9f12928d15eccf92bd376638097d3451f2141f09

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  33. Re:WRONG: I meant those by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    I have pointed this out numerous times to APK myself. Sadly, he doesn't get that either.

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  34. Re:I dusted you with 3 questions by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

    Maxwell Demon, this is why there is little point replying to the guy, you can see through the numerous posts his reading comprehension is poor regardless.

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  36. Re: I don't get it by Zan+Lynx · · Score: 1

    Except that on a LAN FTP is almost the only protocol I can rely on to get high speed data transfers. SFTP blocks at about 30 MB/s when FTP can easily get 90.

    If the Linux distros would be reasonable and enable the "none" crypto on SSH it would be a good thing. If I explicitly ask for no crypto then why are they making it hard for me to get what I want?

    Yes, I know I can recompile OpenSSH for "none" crypto but it is easier to set up FTP, or even use tar and netcat.

  37. Re:I don't get ads in embedded video/youtube by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    OK, then please tell me, when sequentially numbering the words in my post you linked, which numbers go to the words "cookies" and "ads". Because I cannot find either in the post.

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  38. SecretAgent Extension Conflicts with PrefBar by DERoss · · Score: 1

    For Mozilla-based browsers such as Firefox and SeaMonkey, the SecretAgent extension conflicts with the PrefBar User Agent menulist.

    Because some Web sites I visit are sensitive to what user agent they see, I unchecked (disabled) the "Rotate User Agent" checkbox in SecretAgent. Then, if I used the PrefBar User Agent menulist to spoof some other browser, it kept resetting to my actual user agent. Since I consider the PrefBar capability to be very important, I removed SecretAgent. The PrefBar capability was then restored.

  39. The 'E' is for... by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

    Evil. Seriously, this shit is getting messed up.

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  40. Re:WHY would I block YouTube vids? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    I don't care about whether you do or want to block YouTube videos on third party sites. But the point is that you claimed that host files are better than RequestPolicy. Which they are not because they simply offer different functionality. You cannot replace RequestPolicy with host file entries. And blocking embedded videos from third-party sites (and especially YouTube) is one thing I use RequestPolicy for.

    And no, I do not want to completely block YouTube (if I would want that, then blocking in the hosts file would probably be the better alternative). I want to block embedded YouTube videos in third-party sites (and moreover, I want to easily unblock them in the case that I decide I want to see that video, which happens in the minority of cases). Why? Well, because I don't see why I should let YouTube (that is, Google) know that I'm on that third-party site when I don't have the desire to watch that video.

    And BTW, you seem to have the misconception that ring 0 code runs faster than ring 3 code. That is wrong. Unless you try to execute privileged instructions (which code that just compares strings certainly does not do), the code is executed exactly the same..

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  41. Re:Article topic = cookies by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    Why'd you run from this http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4127345&cid=44678705 [slashdot.org] ?

    I didn't "run from this". But sometimes I also do other things than reading/writing on Slashdot (like sleeping, working, or listening to radio broadcasts which certainly don't wait for me while I write comments).

    And BTW, your claim that you answered my questions is completely wrong. You answered questions which I never asked, while leaving the questions I asked unanswered (maybe because the answers could have not been in favour of hosts files?)

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  42. Re:Can "Request Policy" do ALL this? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    I had written a large point-to-point reply, but the lame(ness) filter won't let me post it (and doesn't even tell me why; Slashdot is really going downhill!). Therefore here's a summary:

    1. RequestPolicy doesn't do all from the list (but most). But I never claimed it was the solution to everything. And BTW, against your claim, hosts files also do not do all of that.

    2. RequestPolicy can do things hosts files cannot do. Which was my whole point: It is not made redundant by hosts files. Now it is true that also hosts files can something RequestPolicy cannot do. But I never claimed otherwise.

    So, now let's see if the lame(ness) filter likes this.

    (BTW, is there any place where I can ask why my original post did not pass the lame(ness) filter?

    Or do you have a hosts file solution to it? ;-))

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  43. Re:Ok - on "better"? What does more?? apk by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    Again: WTF would I block YouTube vids for, on ANY site, for Pete's sake?

    I already wrote that. But why am I not surprised that you didn't (or pretend you didn't) notice it?

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  44. Old news is old by allo · · Score: 1

    My Blogpost in 2007 (sorry, its german):
    http://blog.laxu.de/2007/09/23/browser-raten-und-e-tag-cookies/