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Gore's Staff Says He Was Misquoted On Hexametric Hurricanes
jamie writes "In a story on Thursday, Slashdot and its readers had a little fun at the expense of Al Gore, who was quoted as saying that the hurricane severity scale was going to go to 6. A correction was made the next day. The author of the piece that Slashdot linked now writes 'I retract the balance of my criticism.' Turns out Gore was misquoted. Luckily for Gore, this is the first time he's been ridiculed for something he didn't actually say. Well, except for Love Story, Love Canal, farm chores, and everyone's favorite, inventing the internet. (The original Slashdot story is here and its central link now includes the Washington Post's correction.)"
From Ezra Klein's update on his earlier piece: "I'm out-of-town and so away from my tape recorder. So I asked Gore's staff about the line and they have Gore saying: 'The scientists are now adding category six to the hurricane ... some are proposing we add category 6 to the hurricane scale that used to be 1-5.' That doesn't offend my memory of the discussion and it's entirely possible I missed Gore's qualifying sentence while trying to keep up. If so, that's my fault, and I apologize."
Does he really have a tape recorder?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Gore's lying Staff Says He Was Misquoted On Hexametric Hurricanes.
Or to use the terms of a previous generation: "Those statements are no longer operative."
They just sling shit incessantly.
What, no retraction on posting a piece of speculative fiction about Google's self-driving cars as if it was a news article?
I should submit Onion articles to Slashdot and see what ones get through.
Wake me when the National Hurricane Center expands the Saffir-Simpson scale so that it goes to 11.
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The press nowadays is more a lapdog of the establishment than a watchdog. What about Gore's ridiculous claim that his propaganda film predicted the effects of Hurricane Sandy, or that hurricanes are more extreme now? Klein let those statements pass without a contrary word. Besides, no matter how you spin what he said, it's factually ignorant. There is no top end to a Cat 5 hurricane classification, so no need for a higher rating.
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Shouldn't he be out fighting the forest fires out west spewing carbon dioxide without paying for it?
There are no loopholes. It's either legal or it's not.
Generally, Gore’s characterization of the links between global warming and hurricane intensity is a bit fast and loose. Whereas Gore tells Klein hurricanes are “stronger now” due to manmade warming, the freshly leaked United Nations climate assessment is much more equivocal. Although the assessment says hurricane activity has become more intense in the Atlantic since 1970, there is “low confidence” of a human contribution.
All I heard was Al Gore use the typical cop-out line of "some people say X" so he can put forth a position and blame it on those mythical "some people" later if it turns out that his tentative position turns out to be a bunch of B.S. (which it did).
Trust me, Al has no problems taking credit for something later if the magical "some people" turn out to be right about whatever point he is putting forward.
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Ours goes to Eleven!
Who?
He needs to keep looking for ManBearPig.
Oh, WOW! The story has been SOOOO debunked. Al Gore never said that he invented the Internet! He said that he *created* the Internet which is the total opposite! Wow, you guys are so great with your debunkery. I think that we need to erect a statue to the guy who offered this correction!
Gore: "I didn't say I created the Internet. I merely took the initiative in creating the Internet. Similarly I didn't say there would be a new cagegory 6 hurricane. I merely took the initiative in asking if probably scientists were gonna do that."
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Al Gore authored the legislation that made Darpanet public, which created the internet thus making his comment which was "I practically invented the internet" correct. A lot of people don't remember Darpanet.
Mine goes to 11
they fixed the headline within about 15 minutes on the self driving cars
Is there a corporate mandate from Dice to suck ass? Is this some sort of passive-aggressive geek rage from the editors? Whatever, slashdot sucks. I won't miss it when Dice pulls the plug and treats it as a tax writeoff.
... nothing more definitive than some journalist saying "that doesn't offend my memory".
The Saffir-Simpson scale is pretty antiquated for the exact reasons mentioned. Just measuring wind speed gives a very poor idea of how dangerous or destructive a storm will by, and gives no indication of relative size.
The better scale that the AMS is starting to lean toward is the Hebert-Weinzapfel scale, which has a much easier to spell name as the Hurricane Severity Index, or HSI.
With the HSI model, the speed of wind and the size of the wind field are taken in to account so a storm that is moderate intensity but very large in footprint, like Katrina, has a similar rating to a hurricane with a high intensity and very small footprint like Andrew. Both were similar in the amount of destruction they caused but Katrina was only SS Cat 3 at landfall, where Andrew was SS Cat 5.
But hey, lets just make jokes about Al Gore instead, cause Al Gore. Am I right here people?
When you ridiculously claim "What about Gore's ridiculous claim that his propaganda film predicted the effects of Hurricane Sandy", where is your evidence for that?
"or that hurricanes are more extreme now?"
Uh, 2-11% increase in the top end. Pretty simple mathematics: hurricanes are powered by the condensation of moisture as it rises above the earth. And the Cassius-Clapeyron formula has been uncontroversial for a century.
PS when they say there is no top end to a Cat5, that is because they decided not to. They can absolutely decide that there needs to be a Cat 6.
My hurricane scale goes up to 11!
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A would-be retraction is being posted based on the other person's transcription of events that proves that the original statement was actually stated? What is the point of this retraction? Other than someone very powerful got very embarrassed.
After all, Gore's own staff continues to have him saying literally the line that is supposedly being retracted:
Even if you immediately add that "some are proposing we add category 6 to the hurricane scale that used to be 1-5," then it's just a separate thought--and process for that matter--because he has literally already said that "the scientists" are doing it at this point without correcting that idea. Arbitrary scientists and NHTSA do not have to be doing it together, which I frankly suspect is exactly what he meant; some climate scientists certainly are establishing the definition of a category six hurricane, which will be a proposal to the powers-that-be once they finalize it.
This is just bizarrely stupid that this "retraction" is deserving of a post.
oh well that makes it okay then
"OK, yes, it was wrong, but don't consider that, consider SOME OTHER CLAIM about it!"
The link between global warming and hurricane intensity is fine. 2-11% stronger.
Next you'll be telling me that "manbearpig" wasn't really his cause. Yeesh.
Al Gore also claimed the temperature of the core of the Earth is "millions of degrees" on Conan O'Brien. Unfortunately, that one went out on national television, so no one on his staff can make the claim that he'd been misquoted.
"These amps are awesome! You can crank them to 11!"
Yes, this is Al Gore, therefore NO MATTER WHAT HE SAID, HE MUST MUST ****MUST!!!!!**** BE WRONG, but could you stop being a raging moron for one whole second?
Why do you think they draw the categories where they do?
****Because of the power in the hurricane.***
And size matters.
Hmm, maybe if you are constantly having to engage in a lawlerly defense of your claims, then the problem might not lie outside of yourself ...
Thank God we have a person like Al Gore among us. His efforts to confront the problem of global warming may enable the saving of many lives. This is a man we desperately needed as president who was cheated by the corrupt slime of the right wing. And mentioning hurricanes has public value as well. Wind speed alone does not inform the people at risk to the degree they need to be informed. We also need some sort of local tag that can inform people as to other dangers from a particular storm. For example some hurricanes dump overwhelming amounts of rain and the degree to which a storm is "wet" is urgently important in some areas. Thirty miles from me we have a dyke at Lake Okeechobee and anyone near that dyke needs to know the risk as we have had spill overs in the past that killed thousands of people. I'm near the beach and simply knowing the time of high tide and whether it was to be a strong high tide combined with the time of landfall can tell people whether they need to run at any cost. So if we had a system that said wind level IV with a B rating for area 531 we could convey life saving information to millions of people. As it stands we really only hear about wind speeds.
From the link provided by the submitter:
[Al Gore] "I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
That's a quote of his entire sentence, lock stock and barrel.
How are people who then say "Al Gore said he created the internet" misquoting him?
Whereas to correct YOUR error, it takes weeks. Actually, several lifetimes, 'cos it's never been seen to have been done yet. It's always some OTHER reason why he's wrong, never a correction from you. Never a communication.
Really, a retraction because he'd corrected his error in the interview and you'd omitted the correction is YOUR ERROR. Retract it? Damnit, YES YOU DO.
***He*** did.
All you're proving by not retracting your statement is showing you less honest than Al Gore.
Yes, I know. I saw the misquote myself. And others. Al Gore is the perfect person to misquote because of all his shenanigans. When he puts out mind rot like "an inconvenient truth" who can blame those who misquote him on purpose? I surely can't.
I read that link as:
1. Al Gore said he spent summers in rural Tennessee on his father's farm.
2. Some people say he didn't.
I don't see anything to refute that he did. If that's supposed to be convincing source meterial of Al Gore the liar it's done a crappy shop.
Martin Espinoza is a LIAR and a SHILL. His link is misleading. Mod parent down if you have the modpoints.
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Serious here.
Do you ACTUALLY know what a quote means?
It means you quote the words THEY ACTUALLY SAID.
Now look again at the words. Each one, his then yours, side by side:
[I] took the initiative in creating the internet
[Al Gore said he] created the internet.
The only two words that are the same there are "the internet".
So how, in gods good name, can the latter be QUOTING WHAT AL GORE SAID?????
You know why you're a GOP supporter? Because you can't get past daddy's emotions. Enjoy your slid into oblivion, GOP. Right, right I know: Impeach Obama now.
He wanted it to go to ELEVEN, not 6 :P
Spinal Tap FTW!
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As for the hurricanes: consider this 2006 article from abcnews: Category 6 Hurricanes? They've Happened
Excerpt:
In fact, say scientists, there have already been hurricanes strong enough to qualify as Category 6s. They'd define those as having sustained winds over 175 or 180 mph. A couple told me they'd measured close to 200 mph on a few occasions.
Some wiring closets should apply for disaster relief.
I must be missing something here. The Washington Post originally claimed Al Gore said, "The hurricane scale used to be 1-5 and now they’re adding a 6." A correction was issues that claims he actually said, "The scientists are now adding category six to the hurricane....some are proposing we add category 6 to the hurricane scale that used to be 1-5." OK, but so what? Don't both statements essentially mean the same thing, even if the quote wasn't correct? Even worse, aren't both still false, as Chris Vaccaro, director of the National Weather Service’s office of public affairs, said in response, "No, we’re not pursuing any such change. I’m also not sure who VP Gore means by 'they.'"? So regardless of whether Al Gore was misquote, the result is the same - a false claim of adding a category six to the hurricane chart.
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Attention-whores are attention-whores. They get mocked all the time for things they didn't say, but which fits their 'meme'.
cf: Palin's "I can see Russia from my house."
-Styopa
... and there's already enough discussion of 11 . . .
I smell bullshit.
his central message is that humanity changing the climate in ways that will have serious negative implications for ourselves.
No, his central message is that there is no concern. Otherwise he would not have a house that uses as much energy as a small town, nor fly constantly on a private jet... his actions are saying more than words ever can.
If he really thought there were negative consequences he would act in ways that helped.
In the end, that's how you can tell when someone is really a scammer - when nothing they do matches up with what they claim are problems. Works for hypocritical politicians or other religious leaders besides Gore.
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Gore is a tool, but Goldman is truly evil.
In case you had not noticed Gore has gotten quite rich off the AGW scam he and others run. It's absurd to think he believes what he says when nothing he does indicates he thinks there is really a problem.
Otherwise he would appear to speak only over video links...
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This woman speaks the truth! Bravo! BRAVISSIMO!!!
it's also true that if he stopped doing those things it would have sod all impact on humanity's footprint.
Just as if I stop doing anything it will have "sod all" impact also. So why should I change at all? Why should anyone?
Leaders of causes are there to present an example. His actually acting as if there is a problem will not cause a huge impact by itself, but could cause millions to act similarly. Lots of people point to his own inaction as a reason to not act, therefore his actions are in fact having a "sod some" level of impact already.
Ghandi didn't do much either all by himself. When millions did the same thing it had an impact.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
He did not violate the Hatch Act, because "'My counsel advises me that there is no controlling legal authority."
Nevertheless, Gore admitted making fundraising phone calls from his White House office, and that he was "proud of what I did",
Before legislation promoted by Al Gore was passed by Congress, very few institutions (let alone home users) had easy access to the Internet... and absolutely everything available on the Internet was available for FREE. In fact, it was virtually a sin to sell or charge a fee for anything on the Internet. By funding the build-out of the Internet and driving Internet commerce, the Internet became available to the majority of the public.
Because if we can't ridicule Al Gore that means that AGW will win!
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