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Nissan Plans To Sell Self-Driving Cars By 2020

Lucas123 writes "Nissan today said it will begin demonstrating autonomous vehicle technology on its all-electric Leaf this year, and plans to begin selling multiple models of self-driving cars by 2020. Nissan said it's already building an autonomous drive proving ground in Japan. Its goal is availability across the model range within two vehicle generations. The car company, which is among several others and Google in developing autonomous driving tech, is currently working with top universities, including MIT, Stanford, Carnegie Mellon, Oxford and The University of Tokyo, to develop its self-drive technology."

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  1. Good by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No more tailgating, left lane hogging, pulling out without indicating, running red lights, drunk driving or any of that other stuff the meat-based drivers keep on doing.

    Free up the roads for people who don't see driving as a chore and make an effort to drive properly.

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    1. Re: Good by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Think about the implications for the environment. Consistent easy acceleration saving fuel and safer roads for motorcyclists.

      Traffic jams are almost a sole function of human deficiencies through overreaction and slow reaction. And, since ICEs are bad about changing power output to meet demand, lots of fuel is wasted idling.

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    2. Re:Good by ahem · · Score: 4, Funny

      Heck, lower the sidewalks to street level and when nobody is on them, use them as another place to drive!

      It appears that you haven't been to Italy, have you.

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    3. Re: Good by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 4, Informative

      At highway speeds, human driven cars should be over 150 feet apart to be safe. Autonomous cars can be separated by just a few feet. The capacity of our existing roads would increase immensely.

    4. Re: Good by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At highway speeds, human driven cars should be over 150 feet apart to be safe. Autonomous cars can be separated by just a few feet.

      Yeah, because nothing could happen so fast that computer-driven cars a few feet apart could cause a massive pileup with thousands dead.

    5. Re: Good by slim · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not only is it not theoretical, but it's been tested on public roads.

      One initiative that doesn't go the whole way towards fully autonomous vehicles is the road train. A human-driven lead car shuttles back and forth the length of a multi-lane highway. As a driver of a suitably equipped car, you can drive up behind it, press a button, and become part of the convoy. The lead car now controls your car - brakes, steering, acceleration. When you're approaching your destination, press the button again, the controller will adjust the distances between you and the cars in front and behind, allowing you space to resume control and leave the convoy. Then the cars that were behind you will move in to fill your space.

      The neat thing about this is that because the cars behind don't need to anticipate the movements of the lead car, they can be *much* closer together. Close enough to benefit from slipstream, which has a significant effect on fuel economy.

  2. Re:Annoying by aitikin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So because the car's going to follow the law, you're upset?

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  3. What I don't get is by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why wouldn't Uber buy their fleet of cars from Nissan, instead of from Google?

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  4. Nissan Plans to Sell Self-Driving Cars in 6 yrs by Donut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a better headline. To those of us over 35, we have been trained to think of 2020 as a long time from now.

    1. Re:Nissan Plans to Sell Self-Driving Cars in 6 yrs by mjr167 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Holy fuck... you're right. I'm not yet 30 and I see 2020 and think "more than 10 years".

  5. You're the problem, not them. by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All these cars will religiously follow the speed limit, boxing up roads and not permitting those of us who are in a rush to get around them. The road rage will cause accidents, I guarantee that.

    Learn to let go, then. The problem isn't the law-abiding the drivers. It's the high strung ones.

    I've driven in states where the standard is to speed heavily, and I've driven in states where the standard is to go the speed limit. In my experience, there's a lot less road rage when people are going the speed limit. There's less variation in speed when everyone is following the same standard, which means less people tailgating, less lane changes to pass, and less people cutting each other off.

    For me, eliminating the "must get there quicker" mentality sharply decreased my aggression when driving. I am a *much* better driver now than I was when I was younger and treating the highway like a personal race track and getting frustrated when someone got in the way of going the speed I wanted to go. Being forced to go the speed limit taught me to chill and let go of the little irritations that are the seeds of road rage.

    So, I say bring on the fleet of law-abiding autonomous vehicles. Maybe it'll teach the rest of you to cool your frigging heads. (And to get off my lawn!)

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    1. Re:You're the problem, not them. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Informative

      What most people commenting on this don't realize is that roads will be less congested. A lot of time savings will be squeezed out of slowing and accellerating in heavier traffic as computers will avoid this dynamic process caused by lack of info in human drivers and slowness of response in human drivers.

      When a big group of cars all know they are computer-controlled they can move as a unit with less worry some idiot 3 cars ahead will slam on he brakes.

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    2. Re: You're the problem, not them. by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I go the speed limit in my area, I'll get rear ended. The speed limts in my area's highway are set 10mph lower than average people actually go, seemingly put in as a way for cops to rake in cash.

      The highway speeds in my state are pretty much the same as the rest of the country as far as I've seen when driving across it: 65-70 MPH on long interstates between cities, 55 MPH on interstates in urban areas, and 45 MPH on "highways" that actually have businesses along the side of them. I've been in 23 states, and I haven't really seen any that deviate much from that -- except mountainous areas and parts of Utah (where it's 80 MPH). The difference isn't the posted numbers; the difference is the enforcement and the driving culture.

      Where I live, no one is going to actually hit your car for driving the speed limit. They'll just get on your tail and ride you. As long as you stay out of the left lane, that's probably all you'll ever see. If you don't, you may get flashing headlights or people zipping around you and cutting you off on the way back into the lane. After all, they don't really want to get into an accident either, much less one where they're at fault; they just want to express their displeasure in a passive-aggressive way.

      So, I think your fears are a bit overblown there. Stop giving into peer pressure. Or at least, minimize the amount you do give in. I do about 5 over in the right lane, and I only get tailgated maybe about 2-3 times a day. I'm on cruise control, so I just ignore them and get on with my life, and they usually pass eventually.

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  6. Initial Launch Market by Guppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would recommend autonomous car makers stay out of the litigious US market initially, and focus their initial launch on some place like Singapore.

    It has:
    1) No Snow, which is still causes difficult problem for autonomous vehicles.
    2) Highly structured environment. It is a nation that essentially consists of a single, highly-organized city.
    3) That single city has a government that operates as a sovereign entity, and can adapt its legal framework to accommodate the cars.
    4) That sovereign entity has demonstrated itself to be business friendly (sometimes at the expense of the individual).
    5) Has car owners who are accustomed to accepting extensive government regulation and oversight.

    Much as I would love the idea of having a self-driving car myself, I can't see how such a thing is compatible with American Society.

  7. Re: Annoying by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Autonomous cars still have a minimum stopping distance, and it would be unwise for an autonomous car to tailgate even another autonomous car since unexpected situations which can force an emergency brake (such as a child running out onto the road) can still arise. If the car ahead had to stop unexpectedly, a distance of only a few centimeters would not be sufficient for your own vehicle to safely stop in time, even though you've taken human reaction time entirely out of the equation. I expect, instead, that minimum car spacing may still be reduced... but still somehow be a function of the posted speed limit.

  8. Re:The main obstacle isn't technological by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're dead wrong. There'll be mass adoption as soon as people figure out you get to watch TV or go on Facebook while you're on your way to work,

    Any company that has to pay drivers (taxis, buses, trucks, airport shuttles...) will also be straining at the leash waiting for this to happen. As soon as it's approved, all their drivers will be out on their asses. The companies will save so much money on wages, fuel, insurance, etc. that switching to robots will be the only way to stay competitive.

    Add in the old people who can't pass the driver's medical and you're looking at a switchover measured in months for a big chunk of the population.

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  9. Re:Taxi Drivers and Truckers by Spectre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Freight hauling would be a great use-case for these ... no mandatory rest periods which means much more effective use of time getting from location to location. If larger roads had dedicated freight lanes where the effective speed limit could be lower, then the extra "drive time" could be used to conserve fuel and road damage by operating freight vehicles at something a bit lower than typical highway speed.

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  10. Sex. by khasim · · Score: 4, Funny

    Even if they get a commercially viable product on the road in 2020, it'll be at least a generation of these things being on the roads before people become comfortable enough with the technology to trust their lives to it en mass.

    Once people figure out that you can have sex in the car on the way to work only the lonely will still be driving.

  11. Re:My prediction by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "By 2060 it will be illegal for a human to drive a vehicle in the USA".
    My prediction made in 2012.
    I am a nobody so no one will notice.

    A similar prediction made a few years earlier:

    "Down in his barn my uncle preserved for me an old machine
      For fifty odd years to keep it as new has been his dearest dream

      I strip away the old debris that hides a shining car
      A brilliant red Barchetta from a better vanished time
      I fire up the willing engine responding with a roar
      Tires spitting gravel I commit my weekly crime"

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