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Tor Usage More Than Doubles In August

hypnosec writes that the Tor network has witnessed a massive rise in the number of users connecting to it for the month of August. "The privacy-enhancing network is known for providing an anonymous browsing experience through the use of a series of encrypted relays, and has had as many as 500k users throughout this year so far. But if we check the latest statistics available through Tor Metrics Portal there has been a whopping 100 percent increase in the number of Tor clients and as many as 1,200,000 users are connecting to the network. The previous peak for the network was in January 2012, when it saw as many as 950,000 users."

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  1. So is this because... by barlevg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    (a) Awareness of NSA surveillance has caused people to seek out TOR, or

    (b) Increased awareness of TOR, thanks to the coverage of NSA surveillance, has caused people to try to evade said surveillance?

    1. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Either way, it's a bunch of people saying "fuck you" to the NSA.

      The NSA can eat shit ... and so can the USA and their "spy on the world" bullshit.

      You want to understand why the rest of the world is starting to lose patience for America? The NSA and their spying is a pretty good example -- self entitled assholes who think their wishes trump everything else.

      The rest of us have no interest in giving up our rights for your benefit. Just because you guys are giving up all of yours doesn't mean we need to, or should continue to respect you.

    2. Re:So is this because... by Noxal · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm a US citizen that's strongly opposed to all of this bullshit. I've lost my own patience for my government.
      What should people like me do to show people like you that we're just as fed up as you are, if not more? Protest? Rebel? Sign some pledge? Comment on Slashdot?
      What more do you want to see from the people of the United States?

    3. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Run for Congress if you think you can do a better job.

    4. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    5. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just tell your opinion to anyone who asks you, like you have done with this post. Some widespread protest would be nice, but to be fair it doesn't seem to happen in other countries either.

      Oh, and by the way, if you go abroad please just ignore those morons who troll Americans in real life and on the Net with Anti-American opinions, trying to drag them into 'political' discussions (or just assuming that every American loves baseball). I know how annoying they can be but they are really just a loud minority and most of the time don't know what they are talk about.

    6. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    7. Re:So is this because... by somersault · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Protest, yes. Regular protests, everywhere, until something is actually done. I don't understand why a bigger deal wasn't made of the Patriot act. I'm not even that into politics, but that one was very obviously a no-no, fancypants Constitution or not.

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    8. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just tell your opinion to anyone who asks you, like you have done with this post. Some widespread protest would be nice, but to be fair it doesn't seem to happen in other countries either.

      This, I do cheerfully. It's pretty easy these days to convince even non techies of the need for privacy. I send them to eff.org as a start then over to torproject.org (posting anon due to my mod status)

    9. Re:So is this because... by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the entirety of human history is any indicator, the governed won't see any changes in a situation like this until they're willing to use lethal force against those who govern them.

      When enough of the key positions of political and economic power in a society are filled with sociopaths, the only way you can stop them is to kill them. You can't vote a replacement or try to replace them by running for office yourself because they have the power to corrupt the voting process and to filter out those who attempt to run for office who pose any real challenge to their own power. You can't stop them with protests because they have the force the police to crush any serious protests and they have the force of the media to destroy the message of such protests. The only thing that works when corruption gets really, really bad is lethal force by the governed.

      So, unless you're willing to take up arms against your fellow man, you'll just have to bend down and take it. We all know this is true, and we all try to dance around this fact because we like to think we're civilized and above the use of violence, but the fact of the matter is that a small portion of the population is extremely selfish and has no compunction against using violence against you. When enough of these sorts of people get into the place where they have most of the money, power, and weapons, they *will* use those things against everyone else in order to retain their position.

      Yes, violence sucks. Yes, it's bad. Yes, we should avoid it if at all possible. But there comes a point when that's all you can do, and that's when the sociopaths hold *all* the cards. How far off do we all think that is? There comes a time when violence is necessary because there are evil, selfish people in the world.

      To quote one of The Founding Fathers of the USA, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

      So, to answer your question of "What more do you want to see from the people of the United States?", here's an answer that will work: gather together a million like-minded, armed citizens and take the White House and Capitol Hill. Depose all the corrupt leaders by killing or imprisoning them and seizing all their assets. It won't be pretty, and you'll probably end up splitting the US into smaller nation-states, and you'll likely have to do it all again in a few generations, but it's the only way to keep the boot of the government from stepping on the face of humanity forever.

      But, good luck with all that, because I hear Miley Cyrus is twerking again or something.

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    10. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What more do you want to see from the people of the United States?

      How about waking the fuck up ...

      How about voting the right people in ...

      How about not making bribery LEGAL ...

      Or my personal favorite ... stop taking it up the ass, turn Homer Simpson from being the sterotypical American icon the rest of the world labels you as, you sad pieces of shit, and show your Gov who's who and what's what.... actually no .. forget about it, we can't ask the underevovled to stretch beyond its sad pertetic nature .. We, the rest of the world are content with watching you cannibalise yourselfs into irrelevance. Cya!

    11. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All wishful thinking aside, it could also be a new botnet that communicates over Tor.

    12. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What more do you want to see from the people of the United States?

      You need to convince either your lawmakers or your citizenry than this isn't acceptable. You need to remind them that "border checks" can't be 100+ miles from a border. You need to remind them that "secure in her person and papers" has no realistic reason to be restricted to things which are paper and in filing cabinets. You need to explain to them that a free society isn't spied on constantly by its government. You need to learn that American corporate interests don't trump national laws or interests. You also need to stop telling the rest of the world what they should do while you're doing the exact same things.

      America needs to get back to being a champion of freedom, instead of a bunch of scared idiots saying "yes sir" to everything your government does that goes against your Constitution.

      In the last decade or so, America has yielded to the fascisti, and are apparently too uninformed to know it. And since America is now exporting this to the rest of the world, it's now becoming our problem.

    13. Re:So is this because... by magical+liopleurodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm a US citizen that has lost patience with the American people. Anonymous Coward is exactly right. Where were the riots over this? The outrage just wasn't there. But then there are riots all over the U.S. over the Trayvon Martin verdict. Stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen. And the media trying to make this a white vs black thing, even though George Zimmerman is hispanic. Zimmerman should probably go in the witness protection program and change his identity......and there you have it right there. The U.S. government really *is* a reflection of the American people. The American people do not respect rights and due process. So neither does the government. The American people are uninformed on The Constitution, so, like the American people, the government ignores it too.

      What do I want to see from the people of the United States? idk, it seems like a lost cause. How many are even aware of the NSA spying? Do they care? They probably care more about Miley Cyrus 'twerking'.

      A minority of Americans have woken up (Libertarians/Ron Paul crowd -- which is growing). Will it be enough to change the direction of the country? I hope so. Julian Assange is right about libertarianism being America's last hope.

    14. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the entirety of human history is any indicator, the governed won't see any changes in a situation like this until they're willing to use lethal force against those who govern them.

      East Germany. Czechoslovakia (twice, if you consider the disolution of the union of the countries). Poland.

    15. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Run for Congress if you think you can do a better job.

      I'll get right on that. Please provide me with a few hundred million dollars to fund my campaign. Oh yeah, those are gonna need to be no strings attached dollars so that I'm not bought and paid for like 99.8% of the people who are currently in congress.

      I may as well be up front about some things as well. I fucked a lot of whores and the police have a fairly large file on me due to my past associations with people who are somewhat heavily involved in the drug trade. If I'm up front about that stuff, it'll make it harder to blackmail me about it down the road.

    16. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the entirety of human history is any indicator, the governed won't see any changes in a situation like this until they're willing to use lethal force against those who govern them.

      I am sorry, but I stopped reading there because I know your statement is false. Check Gene Sharp and his work. For an introduction, watch the documentary How to Start a Revolution

    17. Re:So is this because... by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      > I'll get right on that. Please provide me with a few hundred million dollars to fund my campaign. Oh
      > yeah, those are gonna need to be no strings attached dollars so that I'm not bought and paid for like
      > 99.8% of the people who are currently in congress.

      Will need more than that too. Most are bought and paid for by the parties who broker the money.

      If you don't get on your knees for party money, and of course, agree to tow their line, then they will work against you, both of them. They don't like being cut out of election deals.... afterall... everybody likes to get his beak wet right?

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    18. Re:So is this because... by N0Man74 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just tell your opinion to anyone who asks you, like you have done with this post. Some widespread protest would be nice, but to be fair it doesn't seem to happen in other countries either.

      This, I do cheerfully. It's pretty easy these days to convince even non techies of the need for privacy. I send them to eff.org as a start then over to torproject.org

      (posting anon due to my mod status)

      I've been telling my opinion on things such as this for years, and most people have just always looked at me as extremist, paranoid, or unpatriotic when I point out government overstep on constitutional freedoms of its citizens...

      Maybe the climate is changing so that people will be more susceptible to opinions, but the truth is that the average person can't be convinced that anything is true unless the talking heads tell them its true too.

    19. Re:So is this because... by N0Man74 · · Score: 0

      And that's exactly why people like Ghandi and MLK were such dismal failures, they weren't willing to use force.

    20. Re:So is this because... by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you'll fit right in.

    21. Re:So is this because... by Stuarticus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And the media trying to make this a white vs black thing

      More one of those murderers vs minors things.

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    22. Re:So is this because... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, violence sucks. Yes, it's bad. Yes, we should avoid it if at all possible. But there comes a point when that's all you can do, and that's when the sociopaths hold *all* the cards. How far off do we all think that is? There comes a time when violence is necessary because there are evil, selfish people in the world.

      The only reason that time is not now is that there aren't enough like minded people to join the revolutionary army. If you look at the Declaration of Independence, most of those grievances are trifling next to what we read about in the news every day. The crimes committed by the thugs that call themselves our government more than justify revolution today. All we need are people willing to lay down their lives for freedom. Unfortunately, as you note, more people care about their bread and circuses than they do freedom and justice.

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    23. Re:So is this because... by fl!ptop · · Score: 2

      What should people like me do to show people like you that we're just as fed up as you are, if not more?

      Vote. Talk to your neighbors. Get involved. Volunteer. Organize. Protest at your local county courthouse.

      "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson

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    24. Re:So is this because... by dtotheatothevtothee · · Score: 2

      I'm a US citizen that's strongly opposed to all of this bullshit. I've lost my own patience for my government. What should people like me do to show people like you that we're just as fed up as you are, if not more? Protest? Rebel? Sign some pledge? Comment on Slashdot?

      Buy more ammo!

    25. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How 'bout I just join the sociopaths? Sounds easier and faster, and better for myself in the long run, anyway.

    26. Re:So is this because... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Did you write your representatives? I know there were lots of people who wanted something done but did anyone other than me bother writing or calling their representatives. I wrote mine but Mark Kennedy, Wellstone, and Dayton all voted for it.

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    27. Re:So is this because... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      God damn you're a fucking idiot. There's plenty of change that happened in the last 50 years that didn't involve violence - groundbreaking, fundamental change that tossed out the current power structure in its entirety. The most significant examples are probably South Africa and India. If you can't name the people involved, you have no standing in this discussion.

      Furthermore, there are purely logical, sociological and philosophical problems with your approach.
      Off the top of my head:
      Logical: the entire point of a democracy is the non-violent change in government. You completely missed the point of democracy if you think change can only come through violence.
      Sociological and economical: The cost to society of a civil war is huge. You can see it in the Middle East, you can see it in our own civil war, you can see it throughout history. Compared to that, the option of just slowly working to change the system to work more like you imagined is a fucking panacea.
      Philosophical: the founding fathers fought a bloody war to give you the ability to change political systems through non-violence. They also made it quite hard to do it. Now you're proposing that all stuff was just fairies pissing in the wind, and we're going back to the middle ages.

      but it's the only way to keep the boot of the government from stepping on the face of humanity forever.

      What are you, 15? Anytime 3 or more people get together, you'll get a form of government. Heck, 5 year olds in the sand pit form ad-hoc governments with one kid in charge and bossing every one around. The only way to keep the boot of government from stepping on your face is to set up rules so that it's not supposed. Everything else is just some Pioneer/Rambo fantasy.

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    28. Re:So is this because... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      (a) Awareness of NSA surveillance has caused people to seek out TOR, or

      (b) Increased awareness of TOR, thanks to the coverage of NSA surveillance, has caused people to try to evade said surveillance?

      Probably both.

      And probably a field day for the NSA as well because well, it's so easy to pick up on TOR traffic if you're an exit node. (Especially since most "dumb" people use it so the traffic being sent out the node would have tons of identifying stuff on it).

      Hell, the NSA probably runs quite a few monitored exit nodes themselves just for that purpose. (Wasn't it somewhere that said the US government had some of the large numbers of exit nodes?).

    29. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Run a Tor relay. And please stop voting for democrats and republicans.

    30. Re:So is this because... by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm a US citizen that's strongly opposed to all of this bullshit. I've lost my own patience for my government.
      What should people like me do to show people like you that we're just as fed up as you are, if not more?

      Fuck it. It's not true, but if it helps, think of it like this: the president ordered the NSA to order Snowden to "leak" what they've been up to, as a sort of Public Service Announcement to America and the rest of the world, to make us think about privacy issues.

      Your own federal government is just one of a hundred potential adversaries. The fact that they intercept network traffic is not merely a statement from your government that they have malicious intent. It's also a proof-of-concept that there are technical problems with the network; that parties with malicious intent are able to do damage. And that means that even if your government didn't have malicious intent, you would still have the problem and adversaries would still be spying on you.

      You can't solve that second half of the problem by running for Congress or persuading your government to become benevolent. You solve it by working on key exchange. That is what everyone needs, because we have had some great tech for decades now, but there's some kind of difficulty that is keeping people from using it. Solve it, for everyone from grandma to teenager, and you're the hero of the century.

      If you want to work on the civics problem in parallel with the technical+techsocial problems, ok. But don't for a moment ever lie to yourself and think it will make one iota of difference as to how much privacy anyone has. The AC you replied to, doesn't get it. The US government isn't his real problem either; he just thinks it is. He hopes his bitching will shame one of the adversaries on his hundred-long list, to shape up and behave civilized, leaving him with a mere 99 to go. That is a doomed strategy.

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    31. Re:So is this because... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      The weird thing is, it hasn't seemed to affect Obama's popularity at all (see here for one example of a daily tracking poll). I can understand not protesting, since it's tough work, but how can people brush it off so easily? Is it possible that the only people who are upset about NSA tracking are people who didn't like Obama anyway?

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    32. Re:So is this because... by Seumas · · Score: 2

      People have been concerned with privacy for decades, but suddenly reddit children got ahold of it this year and now it is suddenly hip to give a fuck... and worse, they think they're the first people to ever discover the concept of privacy and give a shit about it.

      Anyway, I say most of us are probably at least halfway toward death. Maybe a lot closer for others of us. Enjoy the ride, read some good books and have a few parties. Let the shitty little snots enjoy the fucked up dystopia they and their parents have created for themselves, when we're gone.

      TL;DR: After a life time of giving them, I am all out of shits to give.

    33. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's your line of thinking, you already have.

    34. Re:So is this because... by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Good luck with all that, fellas.

      How many missiles, jet fighters, tanks, machine guns, infantry, medics, apaches, and nukes do you have for all this "standing up to tyranny" stuff? Don't get me wrong, I understand that the intention of the founding fathers was to provide the means for people to defend themselves - as a people - against the inevitable tyranny of governments . . . but in our modern world with our modern military, it's a little unrealistic even if you had 100% of the citizens involved, don't you think?

    35. Re:So is this because... by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Our last couple generations have been raised in an educational and society system that coddles us and makes us obedient to authority. We aren't independent, we aren't taught critical thinking skills, and we not only accept that our government is overstepping these bounds, but *expect* that they should be doing *more* . . . so they can "provide" more for us and "protect" us more.

      So, why aren't more people pissed off and doing something about it? Because they don't think anything is wrong.

    36. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A minority of Americans have woken up (Libertarians/Ron Paul crowd -- which is growing)"

      This is again more proof americans just are stupid. Libertarianism just trades government for de-facto corporate rule. The reality is human beings just suck. Doesn't matter what their ideology is, if your people are garbage at thinking and perceiving the world. The world will reflect that.

      Modern systems of government were based on myths and fictions about how the human mind operated, so we're paying for it. All modern governments are descendants of the enlightenment view of man, which sadly, is false.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

      Too much of the population just doesn't have the cognitive power can't manage complex affairs, period.

    37. Re:So is this because... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Egyptians got rid of their dictator and then their elected government without using lethal force against them. Sure, afterwards the military did kill some Islamists, but the protesters themselves never had to kill anyone. The police were unwilling to fight the protesters too much because they basically supported them.

      Recent human history suggests that protest, on a large enough scale, is effective and does not require lethal force to work. There has to be a majority behind the protests though.

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    38. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. I have no idea how GP got +5. Absurd.

    39. Re:So is this because... by RavenousRhesus · · Score: 1

      Either way, it's a bunch of people saying "fuck you" to the NSA.

      The NSA can eat shit ... and so can the USA and their "spy on the world" bullshit.

      You want to understand why the rest of the world is starting to lose patience for America? The NSA and their spying is a pretty good example -- self entitled assholes who think their wishes trump everything else.

      The rest of us have no interest in giving up our rights for your benefit. Just because you guys are giving up all of yours doesn't mean we need to, or should continue to respect you.

      Protip: every country spies.

    40. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can start a much more effective revolution with 10,000 well educated, well coordinated, professionals, who find places of power. If you want change, you have to be in a place to make change. Riots, protests, boycotts, give me a break. Change happens at the policy table, behind closed doors, in corporate meeting rooms, in the courts, and in the house.

      We need an intellectual uprising. The problem is, every one who is in a place to do so is rather content and government work would mean less pay or more work. Or both.

    41. Re:So is this because... by Applekid · · Score: 2

      Egyptians got rid of their dictator and then their elected government without using lethal force against them. Sure, afterwards the military did kill some Islamists, but the protesters themselves never had to kill anyone. The police were unwilling to fight the protesters too much because they basically supported them.

      The price for change remained, it was merely the payment terms that were rescheduled.

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    42. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assasinate your business and political "leaders", and remove their progeny from the human gene pool, just to be on the safe side.

      Otherwise, you, and the rest of us are royally screwed, within ten years these people will be so wealthy and powerful that we will return to the days of Egypt. Imagine people like Gates, Ellison, Bush, Obama will become so wealthy that they will be able to afford life extension, and so powerful they will be able to deny it to the rest of us.

    43. Re:So is this because... by Cimexus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Two big problems as I see it:

      - Money and corporate influence: The money required to run a campaign puts huge barriers in front of anyone from more 'regular' walks of life ever standing for office. It's resulted in an established political class, to which you will need to belong to even get your foot in the door of politics. On top of this (or because of this), companies and industries have a disproportionate influence on policy. Other countries have much stronger laws preventing this (restrictions on lobbying, corporate donations, political advertising, transparency of party finances etc.)

      - The way Congress works and the way elections work basically result in an entrenched two-party system where no one else has any realistic influence. Compare to Parliamentary systems/preferential voting/proportional representation used by most other OECD nations that mean third and fourth parties actually matter. There is a wider diversity of opinion and wider choice of candidates. Here in the US, you only have two choices, and they are both as bad as each other when it comes to privacy/surveillance matters.

      The US system needs to be reformed for the modern age and to address the above issues. Problem is, people treat the Constitution as some kind of untouchable, unchangeable thing, rather than a living document. Yes, it's the supreme law of the land ... but it's still a law, and law can (and should) change with the times. The ability to make amendments exists for a reason.

      It seems that in general, it is impossible to make large-scale reforms happen in the US. The system works against it (just takes a couple of people in Congress to oppose something and it'll get held up forever). Other countries out there, in modern times, have done things like completely rewrite their tax code from the ground up. Or change the way elections are held. Or introduce new currencies. Or convert to the metric system. Grand reforms, not just tinkering around the edges with things. Imagine that kind of stuff happening in the US - seems impossible doesn't it? Look at the difficulty experienced in even getting minor changes to health care through. Even suggesting little things like getting rid of the penny seems to attract massive controversy.

      Some say that the fact that Congress can get so easily gridlocked is actually a benefit of the system. It prevents politicians pushing their own agendas through and acts as a limit on government power. I can see that side of the argument and it's valid. But nonetheless, I still think we need to be more agile than we are or we'll be left behind. Change happens more rapidly now than it did when the Constitution was written.

    44. Re:So is this because... by Full+of+shit · · Score: 0

      (C) the nsa have just rolled out their next wave of infiltration. Have they reached the magic 50% of exit nodes yet?

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    45. Re:So is this because... by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Have you tried:
      1) Writing to your Congressman?
      2) Writing directly to the White House?
      3) Signing (or set up) a petition?
      4) Voting (or intend to vote at the next opportunity) for a privacy-focused political party, such as the Pirate Party?
      5) Supporting a privacy-focused political party either with a monetary donation or volunteer time?

      All of these are pretty minimal effort steps that you, as a democratic participant, can and should take if you feel strongly about an issue. If you're not willing to do any of these, you probably don't feel that strongly about it after all (and therefore are passively culpable for any blame that we foreigners want to assign to the government who represents you). (And as an inhabitant of the UK, I'm in exactly the same boat, by the way).

      Basically, you can sum it all up as:
      6) Done anything at all?

    46. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm a US citizen that's strongly opposed to all of this bullshit. I've lost my own patience for my government.
      What should people like me do to show people like you that we're just as fed up as you are, if not more? Protest? Rebel? Sign some pledge? Comment on Slashdot?"

      One word. Canada.

    47. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Rules...how quaint. You sound like my dad's generation. (And well I'm over 40).

      I take your rules and I point a gun at your fucking head. Show me how those rules are gonna stop me from pulling the trigger, especially when I have a nuclear equipped army backing me. Show me how all these rules have stopped them so far. They just change or ignore the rules and there's not flipping thing you can do about it. Or it would have already been done.

      Ghandi's way is completely ineffective in the modern world. Well, I suppose he would - and should - play by "the rules", and stay within the free speech cages, right?

      And stop with the "democracy" bullshit. "Democracy" isn't important anymore. Democracy has shown time and time again to be a stepping stone to dictatorship anyway. A feel good for one or two generations and then it's over. Ask Athens how democracy worked out for them.

    48. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to think people like you were all those things you mention. I'm not thinking that anymore. I think there are some truly evil fuckers in this world and unfortunately some of the are ours and in control.

    49. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like taking out the trash.

      Would be a better place if more people would do that.

    50. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More one of those murderers vs minors things.

      Possibly - given the media was happy to run a years-old picture of Martin.

      At the same time, they photoshopped Zimmerman to the point where he was whiter than the palest redheaded Irish girl.

      So I'm not sure it's a 'more' thing.

    51. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of the reason is that the protesting class has been protesting for so long over so many things... As a group, they've lost their chance for actually effecting real change because they have a short attention span (frequently off to the next cause-of-the-moment), no real agenda or program, and they never shut the fuck up. Or, to put it another way, I couldn't design a way to get them ignored better than they've done to themselves.

    52. Re:So is this because... by downhole · · Score: 1

      I mostly agree, but on the barriers to people standing for office - yes, there are huge barriers to prominent, powerful spots like President, Senators, etc. But there are lots of lower-level slots that are reportedly much easier to get. State-level Representatives and Senators in most areas, less prominent city-level positions in bigger cities, even some Federal Representative seats. If you want to stand a chance at running for one of the higher-level positions, you generally have to win elections for and serve in lower-level positions for a while. If you do well there and are able to amass some supporters, then you have a shot at running for a higher-level office. Repeat that a few times, and you're in the running for the really powerful positions. It doesn't sound all that bad when you think about it that way - do you really want some guy off the street with no experience in governing anything to be the next President? (uh, no comment about Obama...)

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    53. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They used force, just just didn't use violence.

      Doing a sit-in, staging a protest, a march, these are all force, and responding to requires force. However the moral high-ground is to be the group that doesn't escalate the force into violence.

    54. Re:So is this because... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      What should people like me do to show people like you that we're just as fed up as you are, if not more? Protest? Rebel? Sign some pledge? Comment on Slashdot?

      Which will amount to nothing. All this has been done in the past and it amounts to nothing. It's time for a revolution. No, don't go get your gun, not that kind of revolution. But its time to over throw the current government. Its time for the states to remove the current government.

      In short it time for the states to call for a constitutional convention and ether rewrite the constitution or amended the current one to remove the sitting government. Its with in the power for the states to remove the entire elective branch and the judicial branch this way. Remove any agency in the current government.

      In short once enough states sign on for it there is nothing they can't do in regards to the stopping the current government and there is nothing the federal government can do but watch from the side lines. This is the ultimate power of of the states and I think its time we used it.

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    55. Re:So is this because... by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you overthrow the feds. And then what? Now you're beholden to your local authorities which are far worse, far more small minded, far more despotic. Overthrowing the govt is not going to result in the small-power libertarian utopia you think it will. It's going to result in a feudalistic system composed of arbitrary overlords. Read the history of England and see how it goes. The fifedoms which predated the nation state we call England were no where a libertarian wanted to be.

      If you want to change things, then repeal the immunity from prosecution prosecutors enjoy. Ditto Congress. As it stands, they have zero fear because voting to defacto take away your rights isn't anything they're every going to be called to account for.

      Ditto prosecutors who engage in phenomenal overreach, over charging, subornation of perjury, hiding of of exculpatory evidence as just SOP in nearly all cases, not to mention the incredible expansion of criminal laws into every aspect of life so that nearly everyone is guilty of something even if they don't know it combined with the rolling back of statute of limitations which makes it impossible to mount any kind of effective defense basically ensures that most of the population is properly intimated all the time.

      The system is corrupt, but the corruption comes from a total lack of fear of consequence. If Congress had to worry that a future Congress or electorate would find them guilty of gross dereliction of duty, if the people in the TLA organizations actually had some level of fear that their actions would be subject to citizen overview if the prosecutors were forced to keep video documentation of every interaction they had over the course of developing cases and the police likewise then there'd be some sort of hesitation. As it is we ambitious sociopaths like Carmen Orttiz going snarling hog wild against our kids.

      Overthrowing the government is a losers gambit because even if it's successful, you haven't done jack shit about the forces that caused the corruption in the first place. They just reconstitute themselves because in reality you're fighting some very ugly aspects of human nature - sociopaths as you termed them, which is about right.

      What we have is a system that is broken but when your car is broken, you don't smash it then start with reinventing the wheel. you just fix it because that's better than starting all over again.

      Remove the immunity from prosecution that Congress enjoys for the laws they pass. Remove the immunity Carmen Ortiz enjoys and which enables her to use her office to abuse due process. What controls sociopaths is fear combined with the high certainty of getting caught. Video tape everything that happens everywhere in the criminal justice system from the courts to the lawyers offices to the jails to the cops. Make that available to citizens investigatory efforts. Ditto Congress. If we're to live under TIA, then guess what comes next- so are they. We actually have a more compelling case to videotape absolutely everything they do since the potential consequences for abuse look like Aaron Schwartz. Give them no place to hide and we'll see big changes, fast.

    56. Re:So is this because... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Rules...how quaint. You sound like my dad's generation. (And well I'm over 40).

      I guess you have learned jack squat in all those years. What a waste.

      I take your rules and I point a gun at your fucking head. Show me how those rules are gonna stop me from pulling the trigger

      They make you consider the consequences. If you're fucking retarded and don't care about consequences, then nothing can stop you. Well, nothing until someone else puts a bullet in you. At a bare minimum, that's all that rules do: show you the consequences of your actions. At an absolute maximum, they regulate behavior. The fact that they're not guaranteed to regulate actions is irrelevant, as that is a completely unrealistic expectation of anything. If you're looking for guarantees, just off yourself. You will not be contributing anyway.

      especially when I have a nuclear equipped army backing me.

      Where is that nuclear-backed army of yours? Oh, now you're speaking hypothetically, as a hypothetical representative of government. Which, I presume, arrived in some sort of black helicopter. Of course, what you're overlooking is not every cop is backed by an actual nuclear-armed army. Actually, no cop is. That would be the army.

      They just change or ignore the rules and there's not flipping thing you can do about it.

      Who, exactly, is "They"? Show me them, and I'll show what I can do about it.

      Ghandi's way is completely ineffective in the modern world.

      Assertion without support. As a matter of fact, assertion contradicted by recent events, which started in Tunisia.

      And stop with the "democracy" bullshit. "Democracy" isn't important anymore. Democracy has shown time and time again to be a stepping stone to dictatorship anyway.

      As opposed to what, exactly? The reason it's a stepping stone to dictatorship is partially because of morons like you who just shrug their shoulders and go "eh, it's all the same anyway". When the founding fathers said that Democracy is hard work, they meant that you have to work to preserve it. You want to have Democracy, but aren't willing to work for it. You're an insult to your history.

      A feel good for one or two generations and then it's over. Ask Athens how democracy worked out for them.

      And again, the defeatist attitude that because something is hard work, isn't guaranteed and at some point might fail, it's completely pointless to work towards it. Go back to watching whatever TV show is rotting your brain, because you're a worthless drag on society, incapable of contributing. During pioneer days, you would have starved to death within a week. Why? Because no one would have put up with your whining.

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    57. Re:So is this because... by tqk · · Score: 1

      "We meddle. People don't like to be meddled with." -- Serenity.

      "What are you rebelling against?"
      "What'cha got?"

      Pick a side and fight.

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    58. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sad, but you can't do anything. You are a slave. ..The same applies to me, citizen of another country, and for everyone else, of we the people.

    59. Re:So is this because... by Minupla · · Score: 1

      c) the fact that Defcon was in august meaning ~15,000 ppl needed to get onto Tor

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    60. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet that about half your readers had a rage attack when they saw the words "climate is changing" and completely lost the train of thought.

      But on the topic, recently I have finally managed to convince people to encrypt their mail.

    61. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you, 15? Anytime 3 or more people get together, you'll get a form of government. Heck, 5 year olds in the sand pit form ad-hoc governments with one kid in charge and bossing every one around. The only way to keep the boot of government from stepping on your face is to set up rules so that it's not supposed. Everything else is just some Pioneer/Rambo fantasy.

      You're more than welcome to join a group of your little buddies and make your own government. Just leave the rest of us the fuck out of it. How hard is that for you to understand?

      Philosophical: the founding fathers fought a bloody war to give you the ability to change political systems through non-violence. They also made it quite hard to do it. Now you're proposing that all stuff was just fairies pissing in the wind, and we're going back to the middle ages.

      Ah yes, the argument from fear again. "Oh noes, big scary anarchy like the 'dark ages', man.'

      Sociological and economical: The cost to society of a civil war is huge. You can see it in the Middle East, you can see it in our own civil war, you can see it throughout history.

      Of course, "out of sight, out of mind". Let's rather not kill and maim, let's slowly bleed dry our fellow man. How convenient for you and your supposed "non-violent" form of government. I suppose you believe Obama when he says it's a "patriotic experiment in 'self-governance'".

      You know, you're such an obvious hypocrite, it's not even funny. You preach about "non-violent" means of change, as if it's a good thing. Yet every single day, we are held in fear of violence by the very state you hold so dear. You little pissant, tell us how "non-violent" your political system is if you get put in jail for victimless crimes. You make me sick.

      Moral hypocrites like you are a big problem to change. Not only do your opinions suppress violent means of achieving freedom, but you also oppress the legitimate change you so loudly tout as the 'logical' means to achieve government change. I urge you to re-examine your premises, and choose life every time. Choose freedom. Freedom itself, like freedom of speech, means allowing people to have the freedom you don't like. If you don't give that, then you're not giving anyone any freedom at all, you're just enforcing your view of freedom on them. Eventually, perhaps too late, you'll realize that the only real freedoms we truly have is the ownership of our own bodies.

    62. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overthrowing the government is a losers gambit because even if it's successful, you haven't done jack shit about the forces that caused the corruption in the first place. They just reconstitute themselves because in reality you're fighting some very ugly aspects of human nature - sociopaths as you termed them, which is about right.

      The sociopaths only have power over due to the power given to them by government. Whatever government you implement, it will inevitably get corrupted by corrupt individuals. The only way to avoid that is to give people utmost freedom. The freedom to own themselves, absolutely and with no exceptions.

    63. Re:So is this because... by shaitand · · Score: 2

      Exactly who is you think secures and operates those tanks, guns, missiles, chopers etc? The men and women of the military are sworn to uphold the constitution and to the people and have already indicated they are willing to shed blood to defend those oaths. Do you really think there would be no defection to the revolution bringing arms with it? What about the national guard units and armories?

      I was in the military. I know a lot of other people who were in the military. Just because they follow orders and serve their country the best they can doesn't mean they are happy about the way the government pisses on our constitution. If they think there is a REAL chance to fight and make it right, there are no shortage ready to help however they can.

    64. Re:So is this because... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      You're more than welcome to join a group of your little buddies and make your own government. Just leave the rest of us the fuck out of it. How hard is that for you to understand?

      You don't get to benefit from the structure that a government provides and want to be left out of its regulations. Either participate, or get the fuck out. The entire point of a democracy is that everyone participates in the process. Whining that it isn't what you want is not part of the deal.

      Ah yes, the argument from fear again. "Oh noes, big scary anarchy like the 'dark ages', man.'

      I'm pretty sure you a) have no clue what actual anarchists (those who actually try to live that life for more than a few weeks) are like and b) haven't read enough history to figure out what anarchists are normally like and where that leads. If you do, feel free to educate me. If you don't, don't bring up arguments you can't support.

      Yet every single day, we are held in fear of violence by the very state you hold so dear. You little pissant, tell us how "non-violent" your political system is if you get put in jail for victimless crimes. You make me sick.

      The voting booth is over there. The paperwork to run for office is down that way. Have fun working the system in a democracy, or get ready to feel what ACTUAL tyranny, state violence and oppression is like. Being a white teenager in the suburbs gives you zero insight into anything you're talking about.

      Not only do your opinions suppress violent means of achieving freedom,

      Ohhh... cute. I guess you at least did realize that the pen is mightier than the sword. Now act on it.

      but you also oppress the legitimate change you so loudly tout as the 'logical' means to achieve government change.

      I don't think you thought this through. Or that you know the difference between legal, legitimate and violent.

      Freedom itself, like freedom of speech, means allowing people to have the freedom you don't like. If you don't give that, then you're not giving anyone any freedom at all, you're just enforcing your view of freedom on them.

      Waah. Freedom of speech means I'm allowed to debate you. You seem to be afraid of that. Next, you're going to tell me that I'm infringing on your 1st Amendment rights any time I mod you down, right?

      The only good news about your post is that you have some time before you get of high school and into college. Actually study some history and sociology, and then form some opinions that are a bit more substantial than the privileged whinings of a bored teenager (that quip about my post suppressing your ability to wage war against the government is particularly cute and telling).

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    65. Re:So is this because... by chihowa · · Score: 1

      A military coup d'état is exactly overthrowing a government using lethal force. Their government was deposed under the imminent threat of overwhelming violence. That's exactly what the GP was referring to.

      The protests were nice, and may have motivated the military, but the protests didn't get rid of the dictator. The guys with the guns did that part.

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    66. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they probably succeeded as well as they did because groups like the activist faction of the INC and the Black Panthers were waiting off to the sides ready and raring to go if they failed. There's often more to history than those presenting it and painting pretty pictures would like to tell us.

      But yeah, things could have been a lot uglier if it didn't happen to work out the way it did.

      Which brings up that history has a tendency to be cyclic and what goes around comes around. And if Anon/Occupy could be considered the pacifist wing of the next major socio-economic change coming to modern society, the next set of events that get people riled up enough to take action may not be so nice.

    67. Re:So is this because... by somersault · · Score: 1

      I'm not American, so no..

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    68. Re:So is this because... by somersault · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't be the "protesting class" doing it. It should be everyone. There are always hippies protesting little things here and there, but when it's something as invasive and obviously wrong as the Patriot act, I would have thought the whole country would be up in arms (minus the few people who presumably think that the government should have that kind of power).

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    69. Re:So is this because... by FhnuZoag · · Score: 1

      Libertarianism merely cuts out the middle man in letting the rich own you.

    70. Re:So is this because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And who is supposed to make all the sweeping reforms you suggest?
       
      The very politicians who are the problem in the first place.
      In other words, WHOOOOOSH

    71. Re:So is this because... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I just see so many people bitching about this sort of thing and yet none of them have ever bothered to try to make their voices heard to their reps and thus erroneously thought you were one of the many who don't bother to stay involved beyond just voting.

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    72. Re:So is this because... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Yes, there is no way we could possibly learn from their mistakes. History always repeats itself.

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    73. Re: So is this because... by blitziod · · Score: 1

      Actually protest coupled with armed self protection is a great fight against government tyranny. Sure the state has all these weapons of war, but there are so much more of us than them. Plus unless all government employees get presidential level protection they are extremely vulnerable to assassination attempts. Any person with 1500 bucks can purchase a rifle capable of killing at distances of 1000 meters or more. Another 1500 for the optics to use it and a few months of training and they can take out Almost any person in government. The fact that the person will likely be eventually killed or jailed is little comfort to te dead government employee. As corrupt state employees are by nature not idealists, self preservation is high on their list. Small Explosives are easy to use and make and very disruptive. Pipe bomb or predator drone be te cause dead is dead, Work stoppage, slow downs, non co operation with directives by sympathetic state agents( I e cops not enforcing federal gun or drug laws) low level vandalism of state assets, hiding taxed resources, etc are also effective and impossible to stop. Also remember that even nukes are launched by soldiers not the president. Many will refuse to kill their own countrymen. Example after the Soviet Union fell troops ordered to kill civilians turned their guns on officers and killed them or during hurricane Katrina some us soldiers refused unlawful orders to disarm American citizens. If governments where not afraid of resistance by armed citizens with small arms they would not work so hard to ban them in countries with oppressive regimes.

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    74. Re: So is this because... by blitziod · · Score: 1

      All oppression by the so called rich has been carried out by the state. Limiting the state lots what the rich can do

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    75. Re:So is this because... by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      "Your own federal government is just one of a hundred potential adversaries"

      Yeah, but they are the one who most likely can change my life for the worse. I really don't care if North Korea knows my browsing habits. But I do care if the NSA has some keyword search running on all internet traffic, detects that I searched for "some bad thing", and informs my local police department.

  2. Impressive... by wbr1 · · Score: 2
    Especially since freedom hosting and tormail are gone.

    Maybe a percentage of that was FBI agents infiltrating The Silk Road?

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  3. New Motto Needed by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 1, Funny

    Tor: It's Not Just For Pedophiles Anymore!

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    1. Re:New Motto Needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, Tor suffers the same kind of propanda as the MAFIAA spreads on torrents? Never peeled that kind of onion so have no basis to judge, but the comment reminds me of governent and MAFIAA propaganda. Or is that part of the humor? I really should drink more coffee.

  4. In need of more relays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This in fact means that the Tor network is in need of more relays and exit nodes. If you have access to a server that meets the requirements, you could consider it.

    1. Re:In need of more relays by Goaway · · Score: 2

      I'm sure the NSA will be happy to provide some.

      People need to remember that if you access the regular internet through Tor, and don't very carefully make sure to encrypt everything, you are actually opening yourself up to more spying.

    2. Re:In need of more relays by c0lo · · Score: 2

      Explained, with pictures.

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    3. Re:In need of more relays by c0lo · · Score: 1

      For sites they can have a certificate for, yes, they may. But they can't have certificates for all the sites in the world.

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    4. Re:In need of more relays by budcub · · Score: 1

      Its not just NSA that you're hiding from, its your ISP and others. Who knows, maybe 5-10 years from now when you go to apply for a job, besides the drug screening, credit check, social media background check, they'll want to examine your internet usage to make sure you're not doing something your employer doesn't approve of.

    5. Re:In need of more relays by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Not a chance in hell. There have been incidents of people being held accountable for operating a Tor node. I believe they've also been held responsible for the data on/transferred through them. If not in the US, then certainly other countries, which means there's no reason it would not happen here.

    6. Re:In need of more relays by Goaway · · Score: 1

      And by using Tor carelessly, you open yourself up to more spying of that kind, too.

    7. Re:In need of more relays by budcub · · Score: 1

      You mean just using Tor, while not illegal, will become one of those things that can cause you problems? They'll think you have something hide? When does it all end?

    8. Re:In need of more relays by gunnaraztek · · Score: 1

      They only need the root certificates!

    9. Re:In need of more relays by Goaway · · Score: 1

      No, I mean that all Tor exit nodes can spy on you. And anybody can run an exit node, not just the NSA. Private companies can do so too and collect data on you.

  5. More Tor usage is good by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Informative

    More Tor exit nodes is better. The NSA surely has many honeypot nodes, we need to drown them out with more legitimate exit nodes.

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    1. Re:More Tor usage is good by blueg3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      While more Tor exit nodes is better, all use of Tor should be done assuming that the exit node is controlled by a hostile party. A lot of the exit nodes are controlled by people much more unpleasant than the NSA.

      Note that exit nodes are the weak link in Tor. Your traffic through them is not encrypted by Tor, so you must use SSL. They are, by design, a man in the middle, so you must be prepared for MitM attacks.

    2. Re:More Tor usage is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of the exit nodes are controlled by people much more unpleasant than the NSA

      What could logically be a greater threat than a group which is not only (1) more heavily armed than anyone on the planet, but (2) has the legal "right" to employ physical force against others?

    3. Re:More Tor usage is good by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

      Trying to out-spend the NSA on setting up nodes is not likely to work.

        I think the only safe assumption is that the NSA or other government organizations has access to any data transmitted through a commonly-used system. A real expert in security and encryption might be able to determine that a particular system is safe, but as a random user you can't necessarily trust any statements made by "experts" because those experts could be NSA plants.

      I don't think you can use technology to stop government spying, you need to change the LAWS.

    4. Re:More Tor usage is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While more Tor exit nodes is better, all use of Tor should be done assuming that the exit node is controlled by a hostile party. A lot of the exit nodes are controlled by people much more unpleasant than the NSA.

      Exactly. That's why I use Ned's Secure Access - a VPN service sold to me by some nice gentlemen in dark suits and sunglasses. I was leery at first, thinking they were Mormons, but they were very knowledgeable and very persuasive. Much better than those pricks at Flowers By Irene.

    5. Re:More Tor usage is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you can use technology to stop government spying, you need to change the LAWS.

      HA, ha, ha! That's rich... 'cause they're obviously not already breaking existing laws and lying about it.

    6. Re:More Tor usage is good by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

      While not greater, are you assuming that not having a "legal right" to kill deters killers? Have you checked out the Mexican cartels lately? As for being heavily armed, the cartels are known for having quite a few nice weapons of their own. You don't need a tank or a fighter jet to cause a lot of damage.

    7. Re:More Tor usage is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're thinking on the wrong scale.

      Let's look at the two parties motivation:

      NSA, secrectly monitor your traffic for illegal/suspecious behaviour

      Cyber-criminals, compromise you bank account/credit card and take your money.

      As a populace you probably have more to worry about from NSA than cyber-criminals.

      As a person you have more to worry about from cyber-criminals than the NSA. Which was the OP's

    8. Re:More Tor usage is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that exit nodes are the weak link in Tor. Your traffic through them is not encrypted by Tor, so you must use SSL.

      That sounds like a major design defect of Tor.

      If I used a service like that, I would expect full protection right up until the files are decrypted on my machine.

      And why the fuck should anybody be able to tell that my machine is the final destination for the data, and not just another internal node that's forwarding it elsewhere?

      We deserve better than this. It's time for a better design.

    9. Re:More Tor usage is good by hacker · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but it's now too easy to de-anonymize traffic within and around Tor. The more Tor nodes there are, the -easier- it becomes.

      Read and learn, then direct everyone to start using i2p and Project Meshnet (https://projectmeshnet.org/)

      http://blog.erratasec.com/2013/08/anonymity-smackdown-nsa-vs-tor.html

  6. "Tor, summarized for mortals" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:"Tor, summarized for mortals" by Slagothor · · Score: 1

      Sorry I'm out of karma, but +5 Insightful. Thank you.

  7. ..or by edxwelch · · Score: 0
    1. Re:..or by barlevg · · Score: 2

      ...which has suddenly exploded in popularity over the past month?

    2. Re:..or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (d) some entity (NSA or otherwise) is trying to compromise the network by owning a majority of nodes

    3. Re:..or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...which has suddenly exploded in popularity over the past month?

      The increased media coverage of the NSA has also lent itself to increased mention of personal security and anonymity, and the tools one may employ to protect against invasion of your data. When Tor is mentioned, Silk Road follows.

      An interview in a popular magazine with the man running Silk Road surely increased traffic, as well,

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/08/14/meet-the-dread-pirate-roberts-the-man-behind-booming-black-market-drug-website-silk-road/ [forbes.com]

    4. Re:..or by holmedog · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      My lack of mod points is disgusting right now. Have a free comment and my well wishes.

    5. Re:..or by TooTechy · · Score: 5, Funny

      The NSA removed your mod points for security reasons

    6. Re:..or by Smask · · Score: 5, Interesting

      (e) botnets that use TOR for command and control stuff.

    7. Re:..or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nodes =/= Users

      Why would the NSA want to increase the noise across any nodes they already run?

    8. Re:..or by bartosek · · Score: 1

      No it was the TSA that confiscated them. The NSA just downloaded everything from your phone while it was passing through the X-ray machine

    9. Re:..or by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      (e) you and 5 moderators have no idea what you're talking about.

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      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    10. Re:..or by andreMA · · Score: 1

      I doubt that Silk Road is a significant factor in increased Tor usage, but if it is Bitcoin being in the news recently (and the attendent running in circles like chicken little by law enforcement) might be a factor..

    11. Re:..or by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1

      The NSA already owns a majority of the nodes...

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      Impossible means not yet done." ~~ Julia Ecklar
    12. Re:..or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought a point of TOR was that {users} was a subset of {nodes}. Specifically I thought that part of the deal of accessing TOR is that you agree to act as a node for others using the network, partially to expand the network, and partially to make it difficult to prove that TOR traffic leaving your system is actually yours. Is that wrong?

    13. Re:..or by tqk · · Score: 1

      (e) botnets that use TOR for command and control stuff.

      Entirely possible. I could be one of them. Prodded by all the bad NSA publicity, I recently installed a tor daemon meaning to look into how to use it. Gkrellm does show lots of stuff going on, but I've not looked into tor further than reading through /etc/default/tor. I've no idea what to use it for. I intend to eventually learn how.

      --
      "Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit ..." -- Pink Floyd.
    14. Re:..or by tqk · · Score: 1

      ... but I've not looked into tor further than reading through /etc/default/tor ...

      ... and reading through log files that it works, whatever its doing.

      --
      "Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit ..." -- Pink Floyd.
    15. Re:..or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lies! The TSA does not allow any device that can store over 42 bytes of data.

    16. Re:..or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lame. do tcpdump and some grep-ing on the dump.

    17. Re:..or by tqk · · Score: 1

      You mispelled lazy. Thanks.

      --
      "Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit ..." -- Pink Floyd.
    18. Re:..or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought a point of TOR was that {users} was a subset of {nodes}. Specifically I thought that part of the deal of accessing TOR is that you agree to act as a node for others using the network, partially to expand the network, and partially to make it difficult to prove that TOR traffic leaving your system is actually yours. Is that wrong?

      Late reply, but it's actually the opposite. Generally, nodes ("relays" in Tor's vocabulary) are users that have chosen to also be a node, and even then, and entry/transit or exit node. See Tor Project: Relay Configuration Instructions for more information.

      Essentially, you can run Tor as a client only, a client and a relay, or only a relay.

  8. Not surprising.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The NSA are the ones that have pushed people to use TOR.

    1. Re:Not surprising.. by c0lo · · Score: 2

      The NSA are the ones that have pushed people to use TOR.

      ... and, don't forget, provides most of the exit nodes.

      --
      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    2. Re: Not surprising.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly!

      Seems the NSA decided to double down on the Tor network since the cat is out of the bag. Quite logical that people would flock to it given the circumstances, thinking the NSA can't handle the extra load. The irony here, is that I'm betting the NSA was waiting for this to happen.

      Oh! Did they fire 90% of their sysadmins yet?

    3. Re: Not surprising.. by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Exactly!

      Seems the NSA decided to double down on the Tor network since the cat is out of the bag.

      Not that smart, I might even be grateful to them for the extra bandwitdh (still keeping in mind other elements may still make part of the communication trackable: DNS queries, cookies and what not).

      --
      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    4. Re: Not surprising.. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Exactly!

      Seems the NSA decided to double down on the Tor network since the cat is out of the bag. Quite logical that people would flock to it given the circumstances, thinking the NSA can't handle the extra load. The irony here, is that I'm betting the NSA was waiting for this to happen.

      Oh! Did they fire 90% of their sysadmins yet?

      Remember that not only do they have a large number of exit nodes, they also have carte blanche to capture ALL traffic coming out of them, as they have no foreknowledge of whether or not it came from a US citizen. Tor helps them get around the entire PRISM issue be legitimizing their storage of the data.

      I wonder if the same goes for I2P... I haven't heard much about that lately (probably people trying to keep it out of the spotlight).

    5. Re: Not surprising.. by Burz · · Score: 1

      Remember that not only do they have a large number of exit nodes, they also have carte blanche to capture ALL traffic coming out of them, as they have no foreknowledge of whether or not it came from a US citizen. Tor helps them get around the entire PRISM issue be legitimizing their storage of the data.

      I wonder if the same goes for I2P... I haven't heard much about that lately (probably people trying to keep it out of the spotlight).

      I think the whole question of simple exit node monitoring is moot: What they access is either encrypted or in the clear, and the latter case means that the user doesn't consider the info to be sensitive and in the former case the eavesdropper doesn't have much of anything. (OTOH, unencrypted traffic does give evil exit nodes the ability to attempt breaking into Tor users' systems with malware.)

      I2P is different because access is mostly in-network, so it implements security (and psuedonymous identity) for each party end-to-end... each address works like a public key. Another difference is that most every I2P user is essentially an onion-relay router, so finding the physical location of specific sites/users (e.g.i to take them offline as with TorMail) is much harder.

  9. Isn't this what a TOR attack looks like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't Tor unsecure if some adversary controls a large fraction of the network?

    1. Re:Isn't this what a TOR attack looks like? by stewsters · · Score: 1

      Or can monitor every connection and retain the data indefinitely, even from US Citizens without a warrant.

  10. Anyhows by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    > "there has been a whopping 100 percent increase in the number of Tor clients

    Half of them in those new, billion-dollar data centers, no doubt. Maybe they can't crack the traffic yet, but they could get relatively accurate dynamic topologies, and use their other, non-Tor nodes, also judiciously placed around in Internet backbones, to learn connections to individual computers.

    --
    (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
    1. Re:Anyhows by hacker · · Score: 1

      They don't need to crack the traffic, if they de-anonymize the clients in and out of Tor, it's cleartext on both ends. With SSL and VPNs now being as wide open as cleartext and easily broken, it's a moot point.

      http://blog.erratasec.com/2013/08/anonymity-smackdown-nsa-vs-tor.html

      And direct yourself and others to Project Meshnet:

      https://projectmeshnet.org/

  11. Tor will be the one goverments attacked first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trying to stop Tor will be the next stage on the war on terror / porn / insert-what-ever-you-need-to-not-argue.

  12. Tor, now 98.2% run by secret services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Following the NSA's example, other nations secret services are now rapidly deploying their own Tor honeypots.

    1. Re:Tor, now 98.2% run by secret services by pellik · · Score: 1

      Unless they are sending all of their data to the NSA this is good for Tor.

  13. hedging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mozilla may probably incorporate Tor

    I think the reporter is going out on too much of a limb. Let's just say that Mozilla might possibly contemplate considering thinking about perhaps incorporating Tor.

  14. New Breaking Bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could it be that torrent sites like the Pirate Bay are increasingly blocked around the world (including where I live in the UK) and people are using Tor to circumvent these restrictions?

  15. All the new TOR users are spineless pussies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    During the US involvement in Viet Nam hundreds of thousands of people
    engaged in protests. And that is exactly what needs to happen now.

    But the sad truth is that most Americans are spineless idiots. The odds are
    heavily in favor of the show going on as it is now, and there is nothing you
    basement-dwelling nerds can do about it. Tough shit, pussies.

  16. Oh yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you very much for paint a target on your forehead people, keep it up!

    FBI Agent

  17. Great, that's how it's supposed to be. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's precisely how the Internet has to evolve. Default anonymity.

    Now someone puts this at the heart of the IP protocol.

    Locallink addresses keep local and plain text or single layer TLS.

    Everything that goes in or out gets Tor-ified. No escape, no exception.

    Welcome to our new crypto clusterfuck overlord, game over NSA and friends.

    1. Re:Great, that's how it's supposed to be. by ultrasawblade · · Score: 1

      The problem with putting this at the heart of the IP protocol is that IP needs to know the source and destination so you can communicate. If you want to obfuscate the source, it's more involved than what IP is tasked with.

      IP is meant to try to get data from source to destination, with the absolute minimum info built in to support the notion of routing and subnets. Because it's called an internetworking protocol after all, meaning your traffic will traverse networks.

      Anything else is not IP's job. Because IP is so simple it allows high performance networks to be built and expanded easily. When you make things at the IP layer complex, you get something like the phone network, which is hard to expand when needed. You want the core lean, mean, dumb, and fast.

  18. Best and easiest free privacy, it's called Tails! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm posting this from Tor.

    Actually, I'm using a specialized Linux distribution with Tor built in for all communications. It's called Tails. Tails.boum.org to download it. Just burn the disc, and all communications through the live cd are sent through the Tor Network. It's probably the best thing going right now for privacy.

    Tails.boum.org. It's seriously very easy and natural to just fire it up sometimes. Try, you might love having some privacy in your internet usage sometimes like I do. Go get it!

  19. Pirate bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/08/10/1519211/the-pirate-bay-launches-browser-to-evade-isp-blockades

    That's why.

    1. Re:Pirate bay by Traksius+Egas · · Score: 1

      Yep. I know of numerous people that downloaded it and started using it the day it was released. Not that I'm absolutely convinced it doesn't have any NSA claw marks in it though.

  20. Re:Best and easiest free privacy, it's called Tail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how do we know this distro wasn't created by the NSA?

  21. What have you done? by jopsen · · Score: 1

    I'm a US citizen that's strongly opposed to all of this bullshit. I've lost my own patience for my government. What should people like me do to show people like you that we're just as fed up as you are, if not more?

    Anything really, just do something, please...
    But may I ask, if you have:
    - Donated to the EFF?
    - Signed all applicable petitions? (optin.stopwatching.us, perhaps? and more...)
    - Written a personal letter to your representatives?

    Those things are the least you can do... as a concerned citizen it is probably you moral duty to do so...
    These things don't really cost you anything, nor does it cost you anything to get your friends and family to do the same.

    Many will tell you that these things don't change much, that is however not an excuse to skip them!
    In fact writing you representatives is not something many people do, and doing does likely make a difference, even if they don't reply.

    That said these things was just the least you could do. Next digging through a congressman's trash to find well trash, just kidding :)
    But I'm sure there's lots of opportunities to volunteer and spend more than 5min stopping the crimes your country is committing... It's a worthy course.

  22. Only read the first line, but... by jopsen · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If the entirety of human history is any indicator, the governed won't see any changes in a situation like this until they're willing to use lethal force against those who govern them.

    Let's take at the history of nonviolent resistance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance

    In fact, if you look at, it looks as if through the entirety of human history non-violent resistance is really in these days :)
    (In fact, never before in the history of mankind have you as an individual ever been more empowered than now).

    1. Re:Only read the first line, but... by geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the entirety of human history is any indicator, the governed won't see any changes in a situation like this until they're willing to use lethal force against those who govern them.

      Let's take at the history of nonviolent resistance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance

      In fact, if you look at, it looks as if through the entirety of human history non-violent resistance is really in these days :)

      (In fact, never before in the history of mankind have you as an individual ever been more empowered than now).

      Tell that to Syrians, Iranians, North Koreans, Yemen etc etc. Hell, tell it to Russian homosexuals

    2. Re:Only read the first line, but... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 0

      Violent resistance isn't working too well for the Syrians either.

    3. Re:Only read the first line, but... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2

      That wasn't the argument. The argument was "no change has ever happened without lethal force". You're arguing "because non-violent change has sometimes not born fruit, violence always has to be used to bring about change." The actual argument is "non-violent change has been quite successful quite frequently. Here's how. It's cheaper than violence. Try it." Pay attention.

      --
      Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
    4. Re:Only read the first line, but... by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      Many people are fed up with the unconstitutional government programs that violate our rights to online privacy. The question is what we, as good citizens, do to effect change. Those voices which advocate violence bring more harm than good into the discussion IMO. There is simply no need for it, as we have the technical know-how to protect our online privacy using tools like encryption, virtual networks, Tor, and Freenet just to name a few. If there is a need for better tools, we will develop them. That is the American way. I view the increased usage of these tools as a rational response to unwarranted government and corporate surveillance. It is an American, patriotic act of nonviolent civil disobedence.

    5. Re:Only read the first line, but... by NewYork · · Score: 1

      'If you can't defeat them, insult them' --non-violent resistance

    6. Re:Only read the first line, but... by jopsen · · Score: 1

      It is an American, patriotic act of nonviolent civil disobedence.

      Awesome... That's the kind of thing we need... and the right way to respond...
      Unfortunately this is a tech issue, you need to reach a significant amount of people, do you really think that's realistic?

      I mean just getting people to use duckduckgo would take forever, TOR, probably never going to happen.. Encrypted emails, I seriously doubt it...

  23. Liability of exit nodes by garry_g · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The increased usage increases the problem of bad throughput ... haven't used it in a while, but when I played around with it a bit, latency (which would be expected) but more importantly throughput was bad to unbearable ... more users require more performance at the exit nodes, which means more exit nodes are needed ...
    Having run an exit node for a short while myself, I know of the results: within less than 4 weeks, we received an inquiry into the owner/operator of the machine with the node's IP address, due to reported child porn access. Luckily, the police seemed to be halfway knowledgeable, and with the provided infos on the operation of the node (stats about the node throughput, etc.) they stopped investigating the issue. Needless to say node operation was terminated the day we received the initial inquiry. Without decent "provider status protection" for exit nodes, the risk for operators may be a bit too high unless extensive (and expensive) measures are taken to block illegal material ... which, in turn, makes the whole network subject to other manipulation, and goes against the reason for the network ...

    1. Re:Liability of exit nodes by Jonboy+X · · Score: 1

      Who in their right mind would run an exit node in the first place? Who is this person who thinks it's a good idea to send data and requests on behalf of anonymous users who don't want to get caught doing it themselves?

      All I can think of are:

      1. Good Samaritans with fat data pipes and legal immunity
      2. People who want to get on watchlists, to prove a point
      3. Underinformed nerds
      --

      "In a 32-bit world, you're a 2-bit user. You've got your own newsgroup, alt.total.loser." -Weird Al
    2. Re:Liability of exit nodes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot 'People who want to sniff your traffic' on the list

    3. Re:Liability of exit nodes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've ran one.

      At a time in my life when I had virtually no money, and nothing to lose.

      Not any more though.

  24. Re: Best and easiest free privacy, it's called Tai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you audited EVERY line of code in Tails? No? And you trust it wholeheartedly because it's branded as 'secure'?

    Unless you're on some random persons Internet connection, you aren't secure or anonymous.

  25. But is there more traffic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it appears there are more people using Tor. If the amount of traffic hasn't changed, than it's most likely a botnet. Does anyone know if the amount of traffic has spiked in correlation with the amount of "people" using Tor?

  26. Encryption + VPN + Tor is not anonymous by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Tor is great to stop your neighbor from spying on your people-dressed-as-cows porn fetish, since it's trivial for someone who lives close to you to sniff your packets (a fact confirmed to me by my ISP btw). SO it's great for privacy from nosy ./ curious / thrill seeking neighbors or defending yourself against common cyber criminals. If you're hoping to position yourself AS a criminal using Tor, for-gheeda-bow-tit.

    Just saying this so no one makes the youthful mistake of thinking they can, for instance, order molly from the silkroad and never have that fact traced back to them. Criminals are going to do what they do and Tor isn't going to protect them and that's between those people and law enforcement. What we don't want is young people whose brains and judgement aren't fully developed yet , but whose taste for adventure is, being caught in the meat-grinder of an incarceration-for-profit system complete with mandatory minimum sentences because they were severely misled on technical matters.

    Do you know what the cost of owning (statistically , virtually) ALL of the exit nodes and most of the intermediate nodes of Tor is? It's effectively zero to the collective financial and technical resources of the "five eyes", that's what it is.

    Oh but WoofyGoofy I use a VPN and encrypt everything !!!! And therefore what do you think follows? When you also own both ends of the connections and every major ISP etc etc How hard is it to attach unique identifying packets to your packets as they pass back into the network and then track them through it? Or a little Bayesian analysis based on just the time and size of your packets? Tor is based on the idea that most nodes are not pwned. That assumption is almost certainly false. Remember this also- law enforcement only needs a subpoena for your online activities and email if it's recent- 18 months. When the information you generated is older than that- and Google et.al. keep it FOR-EVAH-AH - that's forever to the phonically challenged- law enforcement can look at it without even so much as a warrant- just ask and ye shall receive, and yes, that includes the CONTENT of your emails etc. Look it up.

    There are a lot of dangers to the total information awareness that's been set up. The one people focus in on is J Edgar Hoover style political repression.

    Another one is that we're creating a generation of people who get caught for *absolutely* *every* transgression. Call them "generation busted".

    People didn't evolve to be either perfectly compliant nor perfectly spied on all the time, everywhere and and norms of society didn't evolve with that as a fact either. Young people whose judgment is not in effect are a potential gold mine for people who make money off things like parole and incarceration and they will push to increase their revenue flow just like any other corporation would.

    After all, who do you THINK lobbied for mandatory minimum sentencing? Who do you think pushes for three strike laws for what are basically non-violent offenders- stealing pizza, shit like that? This is a real danger.

    I know one friend's son who is constantly in trouble with the law over shit like smoking ladies soap bubbles and petty shoplifting and such shit. Basically, it's like watching a lamb being fed to the wolves piece by piece. Soon enough he'll have enough of a record that they'll lock him up, making him permanently unemployable and then wait for him to commit a robbery or suchlike. It's sickening. The kid has severe mental health issues, probably was born that way and should be on some form of permanent public assistance. There exist people like that. It's cheaper than locking him up. Let him smoke dope, watch TV play games and just exist in whatever way makes sense to him. People are born who are just like this for reasons we don't understand, it's not anyone's fault, least of all his.

    Just as bad is kids who are transgressive as a kind of experimentation, like, oh I don't know our coke snorting (he admits to it) President. Go to a

    1. Re:Encryption + VPN + Tor is not anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TLDR. Scare somebody else

      The non-public developer community can easily create something which will make TOR look like a child's toy. Something they can't hack like the C-based TOR crapola. Something which does much better traffic mixing. Something which will generate constant traffic/bitrate to destroy any chance of timing correlation.

      TOR is already very helpful, but it can be improved in many important ways. If you run it on a little low-power computer all day, we can have 100 million active nodes easily.

      If you want to start it, don't make the mistake of "going for glory". Effective developer operations are fully anonymous. Otherwise they will lean on you until you give up. Or they will send you a girl and you will impregnate her and have no time for anon development. They are crafty, you must be too.

    2. Re:Encryption + VPN + Tor is not anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know what the cost of owning (statistically , virtually) ALL of the exit nodes and most of the intermediate nodes of Tor is? It's effectively zero to the collective financial and technical resources of the "five eyes", that's what it is.

      Having tested Tor myself, I can say that the exit nodes are mostly Swedish servers that have been banned from some sites because they are being used for spamming. So there's your intermediate nodes (if they choose to be) - spammers.

      At the same rate, I have to wonder how much NSA considers Tor a serious issue. It does, but how much is the question. The answer to that will determine how much they've invested in countering its techniques. That investment will probably go up this month at least....

    3. Re:Encryption + VPN + Tor is not anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  27. Reasons for the increase? by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I'd say that one significant factor is the easy to install and use Tor Browser bundle with FIrefox.

    Not all that long ago, setting up Tor was kind of laborious. Now, you can do it as easily as you install any other new piece of software.

    And to be honest, I wasn't even keeping up with it enough to realize they'd put something like that out, until I read the recent news article revealing the govt. was finding out the source IP addresses of some Tor users thanks to a security vulnerability in the older version of Firefox the browser bundle was based on. (A problem since corrected.)

    1. Re:Reasons for the increase? by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 1

      Yep, never use the use the same browser for Tor and non-Tor sessions. Better yet, boot from a live linux distro, surf via Tor and then reboot to Windows/Mac.

  28. re: SIlk Road by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speaking of SIlk Road -- have you ever actually looked around that site at any length?

    After ignoring it for the longest time, I finally created an account there and took a good look at it, just to satisfy my curiosity.

    What surprised me the most about it was the LACK of anything really exciting up there for sale! I mean, when you read the news hype and all the supposed angst from politicians and law enforcement over its existence, you expect the place to be a hotbed of sex slavery, child porn, virus/malware dealers, email spammers, and what-not.

    In reality, I saw a fair number of people simply offering to exchange your bitcoin for US currency or bars of silver, a few people selling used electronics gear, and a lot of offers to sell information on how to supposedly do such things as hacking an ATM machine (reminds me of the old "G-Files" people passed around the local BBS's in the late 80's except those were free!).

    Sure, there were some people offering to sell you pharmaceuticals and even small amounts of drugs like cocaine, but that's one category out of dozens - and there wasn't even a dramatic number of ads posted for them.

    Mountain out of a molehill, all in all.

  29. How Ironic by organgtool · · Score: 1

    As many people have already stated, this is likely due to the revelation of the depth of NSA spying. The irony lies in the fact that the X-KEYSCORE software that the NSA uses to determine which traffic to log specifically targets Tor traffic. Therefore, these people are probably drawing more attention to themselves by using Tor than by not using it. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if Tor guaranteed anonymity but based on the articles I've been reading lately, it seems like people with sufficient resources can defeat Tor's methods of anonymization.

  30. why is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hey, August is Back to School month, duh. I mean, if you're going to be to college, you need to have your music and video all set.

  31. Plug and Play Router by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 1

    It's great now that you can buy plug and play options to use Tor. Raspberry Pi + Tor = Easy

  32. Re: SIlk Road by letherial · · Score: 1

    Have you ever looked around it at length?

    There is not a 'small amount of drugs' but a whole shit load of them in varying quantity. 1g gram of pot to 1lb. Same goes with ectasy, shrooms, etc...For the most part you can find anything you want there and the amount.

    If its a molehill, that hill is the staging area for the last battle on the war on drugs.

    as far as child porn and sex slavery, silk road doesn't allow shit like that on there.

  33. Tor Browser by Monsuco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not a perfect solution, but the Tor Project's attempt to answer the problems faced by Tor with their Tor Browser bundle. Basically, it's a copy of Firefox tailored for Tor usage. It's set to use Tor by default. It also comes with HTTPS everywhere, an extension the EFF makes that redirects web traffic to use SSL when possible. Some websites don't support SSL and some don't implement it well, but it helps solve part of the problem with exit nodes being able to sniff traffic. Exit nodes can still see where that traffic is going but actually looking at contents is difficult. NoScript is installed and plugins are disabled to keep javascript and plugins from leaking your IP. StartPage is used as the default search engine rather than Google because StartPage doesn't log what users do and they are based outside of the USA.

    Ideally, the increased attention the Tor Network is getting will result in more people volunteering their equipment and bandwidth to serve as exit nodes.

  34. Ironically, Slasdot Blocks Tor IP's by codermotor · · Score: 1

    Unless there is some magic involved, many reading and/or posting to this story don't use Tor themselves while connecting to Slashdot.

    When I enquired why, the response from a Slashdot spokeman was "We block Tor ips when we find them. We've just had too many problems with attacks and auto-posting trolls using Tor, sorry" (direct quote).

    1. Re:Ironically, Slasdot Blocks Tor IP's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is in bed with the establishment and their entire range of brutality and corruption. TOR works. So Slashdot does sabotage TOR use. Eyes open now ?

    2. Re:Ironically, Slasdot Blocks Tor IP's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They make it so easy to comment, and they'd rather not pay a crew of people to sort through and approve of all the comments that go into this site or force us anonymous cowards to actually log in.

  35. I'm giving credit to the FBI by shaitand · · Score: 1

    There was a recent story where they used malware to infect 80% of the people on TOR so they could trace them. It got mainstream coverage because it is the kind of makes law enforcement look good piece they like to push. Thus mainstream now knows about TOR.

  36. Morons like webmistressrachel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  37. Botnet? by mars-nl · · Score: 1

    What if some botnet is using Tor. Maybe it has being rolled out in the last few days, weeks or months and is now being activated and communicating to it's c&c server over Tor? It would explain the massiveness and the suddenness. I don't believe this sudden rise can be explained ordinary people all using Tor at the same time.

    The rise of TOR-based botnets

  38. NO ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They only updated your telephone's and your laptops firmware so that it will be more comfortable. For them.

  39. People's SIGINT Operations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just run a TOR exit node and perform tcpdump into a file. That makes for a nice additional outlook into the world. Lots of plaintext emails in my experience. And Jihadi websites. You might be able to hijack session cookies and do some stuff on them.

    With the wonders of technology, everybody can be a spook.

    1. Re:People's SIGINT Operations by tqk · · Score: 1

      Just run a TOR exit node ...

      Hardly an option in my circumstances, a laptop grabbing IP from almost random sources.

      --
      "Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit ..." -- Pink Floyd.
  40. Re:Use JAP for private browsing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have been forced by DEGOV into adding a backdoor.

  41. Re:Hahah you think tor is safe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do think I disagree. I am a kind of experienced Internet man (in many ways) and TOR does indeed help me tremendously. Lots of annoying people live at the other end of my DSL line and they can be defeated by TOR. So, I guess you are simply a hill.

  42. A newly written pgp program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is a new pgp (actually gpg) encryption program that makes it quite easy to encrypt/decrypt emails and other data:

    GentleGPG: http://wjlanders.users.sourceforge.net/