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Ohio State Introduces Massive Open Online Calculus

An anonymous reader writes "Professors at the Ohio State University are embracing MOOCs, with a Massive Open Online Calculus Course — it is completely open source; everything is on github. There is are free videos, free online assessment system, and a free textbook!"

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  1. Is are by SIR_Taco · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is are a free English and grammar course too?

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    1. Re:Is are by Cryacin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey, all your base are belong to us.

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    2. Re:Is are by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Informative

      No state did that. IIRC there was a bill long ago in the Indiana state legislature years ago (1800's) that would have done so but it wasn't ever voted on. In 1961, the the novel a stranger in a strange land commented on a fictional law in Tennessee doing so but it was all fiction.

      You are probably thinking of one of the email satires that spread back in the 90's when New Mexico was trying to supplant evolution with creationism.

    3. Re:Is are by Lotana · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you implying that beyond feeling the usual smugness, I could also lovingly stare at a certificate on a wall proving my superiority to the grammar-challenged heathens?!

      Where do I sign up? I believe that I have enough narcissism to qualify!

  2. credits? by sumdumass · · Score: 2

    These online and free courses, do any of them apply to credits earned towards a degree or are they mostly an opportunity to learn something new or relearn (refresh) something you already should know?

    I can see where just knowing a little more about certain subjects can enormously help people. Even when they should already know it but forget because they haven't used it for so long. For instance, I was trying to figure out how much sand I needed to cover a base for my patio and had to actually look up a formula instead of being able to remember what was needed to figure it out on my own (sand in my area is sold by the ton, not square or cubic foot). Another time, I was attempting to figure out how large of a square pipe (tube) I would need to match the flow of volume a round pipe on an exhaust stack would have and had to once again spend time looking up the formulas. I already had square tube on hand so I was looking at saving some cash.

    I imagine that people use this type of information every day in their jobs and someone fresh out of school would probably be able to figure it out on their own in a few minutes. But for someone who is 17, would any of them apply to credits for college or just be a tool to give them a leg up for when they go?

  3. Re:BIG DEAL!!! by sumdumass · · Score: 2

    I think the big deal is "open source". Any other person, school, tutor, or whatever can grab the source and adapt it to what they need. IF they improve it and release it, it can be improved on again and again. This might make it more useful then existing programs available.

  4. Sadly, calculus is not all that useful... by gweihir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I enjoyed the proof techniques and the clean structure of the theory, I have had almost zero use for it in 20 years of IT research and consulting. Modern algebra or set theory would have been far more useful, but I had to each that to myself...

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    1. Re:Sadly, calculus is not all that useful... by mark_reh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Calculus may not be directly useful in many fields but it trains one to approach problem solving in an organized way and with attention to detail.
      Physics is similar in that even if you never use specific facts learned in the class, the approach to problem solving stays with you -if you are the sort who realizes that the physics approach is generally applicable and not limited to solving physics homework problems.

    2. Re:Sadly, calculus is not all that useful... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      And by the way, if we are trying to force some advanced math course onto a large portion of the population, I would recommend a course in statistics, probability, and data representation/manipulation far and above a basic course in calculus.

      The chances that the average person is ever going to use calculus to solve a problem in his/her everyday life (i.e., outside of scientific or engineering work) is vanishingly small... unless he/she is a real nerd.

      On the other hand, a knowledge of how statistics, probability, and data manipulations work will give the average person insight into numerous articles every day in the newspaper, will likely help him/her evaluate numerical arguments presented in a job situation or some financial offer in an advertisement, and will allow him/her to understand numbers that are offered in support of scientific studies, political arguments, etc. It can even help in Vegas....

  5. Re:BIG DEAL!!! by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2

    WOW! Now in 1997 this is big news. Probably by 2013 or whatever there'll be hundreds of Calculus courses online and something like this won't be news at all.

    Uh, it is news because AFAIK it is the first coursea MOOC (actually the first MOOC afaik) othat is making everything available with github. Every other MOOC I've seen delivers its content in a closed/semi-closed delivery platform. The closest thing I've seen are the MIT Open CourseWare materials made available via iTunes, but those are just content, not actual courses with live exams and grading.

    But hey, don't let that stop people from nihilistically dismiss this good stuff. Whatever gets them through the day.

  6. What's most important to learn? by UBfusion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm all for Open Courses, especially when the Universities, Professors and Research are funded by the state (I'm not talking for US only). However, IMO the issue is, what should the priorities for self-learners be?

    Math is considered as the language of science, but sometimes I wonder whether open courses on human relationships, empathy, self-help and helping each other (i.e. things that our parents taught us and are seldom, if ever touched upon by today's parents), and most importantly, detoxification from technology (I'm thinking of the billions of man-hours spent on texting, sexting and the so-called "social networking") might be more important for today's youth.

    1. Re:What's most important to learn? by FGT · · Score: 2

      A MOOC on 'detoxification from technology' appeals to my sense of irony.

  7. Re:BIG DEAL!!! by Jmc23 · · Score: 2

    Except that most MOOCs moved away from open source and so this is news if a big university has decided to go back to the totally open source route.

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  8. The Language God Talks by Gim+Tom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Learning some calculus can give you insight into how the world works better than many other areas of mathematics.

    Herman Wouk wrote a short book called The Language God Talks. The title came from a statement made to him by Richard Feynman when Wouk was interviewing him for some background on the Manhattan Project for Wouk's two books on World War II. In their first meeting Feynman asked Wouk if he knew calculus and Wouk said no. Feynman told him that he should learn it since, "It is the language God talks."

    I am an engineer and while I didn't actually USE much calculus on a daily basis, it did help me understand the relationships and equations that I did use every day.

    1. Re:The Language God Talks by godel_56 · · Score: 2

      Learning some calculus can give you insight into how the world works better than many other areas of mathematics.

      I'd give that accolade to basic practical statistics, including evaluating gambling and other odds, risk, failure rates etc.

  9. Re:BIG DEAL!!! by sumdumass · · Score: 2

    The article summery says it is open source. Perhaps the author knows something about it or maybe they just assumed wrongly like you pointed out. If it is open source, I would say it is news worthy.

  10. Re:cute graphic by qubezz · · Score: 4, Informative

    but does it count to credits?

    Information about the actual course is located on https://www.coursera.org/course/calc1

    Notable information is the class start date, August 23, and the result of taking the class, which is that you get a certificate signed by the instructor. The class is currently in progress (you're too late); the class lecture videos are much of the content are are on various instructor's YouTube channels.

    What is checked into Github is the website and backend. There is no license that I can see for any content except (c) 2013, mooculus team, at the bottom of the site's non-doctype'd HTML. Math geeks can't nerd.

  11. It's really important now by Animats · · Score: 2

    No, you really need calculus in computing today if you're going to get above the peon level. This is recent. I went through Stanford for a MSCS in 1985, and it was all discrite math - number theory, automata, mathematical logic. You didn't even need an FPU back then. That was sort of true until the mid-1990s or so. Then it changed.

    Today, it's machine learning, machine vision, deep neural nets, Bayesian statistics, adaptive control... That's all number-crunching intensive. Today, advertising requires calculus. The algorithms behind Google, Facebook, and Amazon all involve heavy number-crunching. So does most of the "big data" stuff. Then there's quantitative finance.

    There's an outsourcing firm in India which starts 23,000 people on a six month course in programming twice a year. That's the competition at the low end. You need to know a lot more than they do, and that does not mean knowing Javascript quirks.

    1. Re:It's really important now by gweihir · · Score: 2

      I do not agree at all. And I am a bit above the "peon level" with an engineering PhD in the IT area from one of the best technical universities on the planet.

      The other thing is that once you get serious about statistical approaches, you need a real statistician, i.e. specialized mathematician. CS folks routinely mess up statistics, because it is just too complicated.

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  12. Did anyone actually read the book? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Informative

    The colophon of the book states it clearly enough:
    "This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike License. To view a copy of this license, visit http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ or send a or send a letter to Creative Commons, 543 Howard Street, 5th Floor, San Francisco, California, 94105, USA. If you distribute this work or a derivative, include the history of the document."
    "The source code is available at: https://github.com/ASCTech/mooculus/tree/master/public/textbook"

    I guess the rush to post overwhelmed any curiosity in the material itself. Yes, the repetition "or send a or send a" exists in the textbook.

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  13. Re:BIG DEAL!!! by jbolden · · Score: 2

    I think the math articles are quite good on Wikipedia, often better than what used to be available in professional math encyclopedias that were still being sold through the 1990s. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a text book, it is expecting that you already have a high level of understanding and need reference material on the topic.

  14. Re:cute graphic by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

    How is it that so many readers seem to be struck by an overwhelming duplication virus today?

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