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Apple Now Relaying All FaceTime Calls Due To Lost Patent Dispute

Em Adespoton writes "Before the VirnetX case, nearly all FaceTime calls were done through a system of direct communication. Essentially, Apple would verify that both parties had valid FaceTime accounts and then allow their two devices to speak directly to each other over the Internet, without any intermediary or 'relay' servers. However, a small number of calls—5 to 10 percent, according to an Apple engineer who testified at trial—were routed through 'relay servers.' At the August 15 hearing, a VirnetX lawyer stated that Apple had logged 'over half a million calls' complaining about the quality of FaceTime [since disabling direct connections]."

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  1. uhuh sure by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nothing to do with ability to intercept.

    1. Re:uhuh sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your thought crime has been logged.

      NSA bot #43386

    2. Re:uhuh sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Two-party communication regarding civil liberties detected. This conspiracy has been flagged for follow-up.
       
      NSA bot bot #43385.

    3. Re: uhuh sure by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      US intel is not "stupid" except when talking to Congress, which is.

      This is the same 'US intel' which missed the collapse of the USSR, 9/11, the Boston Bombers, and were totally sure Saddam Hussein had WMDs, right, not another 'US intel' that's actually competent?

      As for original comment, intercepting calls is vastly easier when they go to a central server and they have direct access to the decrypted data than when they go peer to peer with encryption.

    4. Re:uhuh sure by bmo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is marked troll, but consider that Skype has been taken from a distributed system to a system with a central server farm in Redmond.

      Totally more inefficient for users (relaying makes Skype suck more), but much more efficient for TLAs.

      And considering recent events (and events over the past 20 years, really) it's common sense.

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    5. Re:uhuh sure by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing to do with ability to intercept.

      Wait, why was parent marked troll?

      In the case of Skype the very FIRST thing Microsoft did (was forced to do) was bring all call routing back through their own servers

      How do you know the patent troll in this case wasn't funded by the NSA to force the very same thing on Apple? By forcing Apple to route all sessions through their already compromised data centers, the ability for the government to monitor the calls is restored, and Apple doesn't have to admit anything. Apple already appears on the leaked Prism source chart. So forcing all facetime sessions to go through already compromised data centers would be a high priority for the NSA.

      I don't think you can dismiss out of hand the possibility that this was a planned outcome.

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    6. Re: uhuh sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a good thing our government doesn't waste resources checking all of them out instead of high priority tasks like groping airline passengers and busting pot dispensaries.

    7. Re: uhuh sure by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your mainstream press at work again...

      ...and so you link to the Washington Times, and completely destroy any credibility you might have had.

      Two problems. One, the mainstream press did cover the story. Two, old rocket engines and old chemical weapons shells in dumps and scrapyards tell us only that Iraq used to have WMD --- never a contentious point.

      The conclusion that Iraq had no WMD at the time of the American attack isn't some liberal media (ha!) conspiracy, it's the conclusion of the gorram CIA.

      Bush lied, and the Fox "News" set continues to lie, about Iraq.

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  2. What patent? by loufoque · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What is the patent involved here? Establishing a connection between two entities on an IP network? NAT traversal techniques? Usage of Interactive Connectivity Establishment protocols?

    1. Re:What patent? by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is the patent involved here? Establishing a connection between two entities on an IP network? NAT traversal techniques? Usage of Interactive Connectivity Establishment protocols?

      Better question: Who cares? The patent system is so hopelessly corrupt it might as well be "Company A wants to extort money from Company B"... and so, a patent is produced, that is vaguely worded and could possibly cover something vaguely related to what Company B does. And then it's elephant mating season, with its attendant judges, teams of lawyers, reporters, etc. ...

      I gave up long ago trying to keep up with the news on these things -- is the patent valid? Isn't it? What legal process will happen now? Aww fuck it. You know what; Corporations are like children. They don't play well with others and really need their ass paddled to learn some discipline. Unfortunately, Uncle is drunk off his ass ranting about the war and not watching the kids...

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    2. Re:What patent? by teg · · Score: 5, Informative

      What is the patent involved here? Establishing a connection between two entities on an IP network? NAT traversal techniques? Usage of Interactive Connectivity Establishment protocols?

      Following links in the article will eventually get you to an article listing the patents.

    3. Re:What patent? by loufoque · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The technology to establish a connection between two peers for voice or video communication is standardized, in particular by the IETF, and implemented by many vendors.
      If there is a patent on that technology, that would put into question hundreds if not thousands of products worldwide.

  3. Re: Obvious patents and patent trolls by JWW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What? I am eagerly awaiting VirnetX's release of it fabulous point to point video communications software. I mean its sure to be released soon right, right?!

  4. The disaster of allowing software patents by Morgaine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The patents in question describe nothing more than perfectly normal combinations of Internet services that any software engineer who knows basic networking would be expected to create as a matter of course. Combining such services into higher protocols is simply algorithmic construction in network programming.

    This patent suit illustrates well the chilling effect that software patents have on our ability to use computers and the Internet to best effect. When you allow software algorithms to be locked away in patents, the ability of engineers to use computers and networks as an enabling technology decreases dramatically, to the extreme detriment of our ability to improve our systems.

    Each new software patent just adds further bars to the prison. If this disease isn't stopped soon, the profession is going to be worthless except as a feeding pit for lawyers.

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    1. Re:The disaster of allowing software patents by gutnor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When you allow software algorithms to be locked away in patents

      Actually that is not the biggest problem. That would be fair enough if those algorithm required years of R&D. What we are talking about here is stuff that is normal everyday problem to solving for the engineer in charge of developing the feature.

      Patent are supposed to expose secrets in exchange for a temporary monopol. However, if nobody look at the patents to find those secrets and yet manage to reinvent them, what exactly is the value of those patent ? If you have a patent system where people need to search for the patent to license after they have made their product, your patent system is broken at a fundamental level.

  5. Where is the innovation? by Skapare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Making direct connection between nodes is so fucking obvious. Any kind of service that would benefit from it, the designers would just do it. A patent that covers that in general adds nothing. A patent with some kind of innovative idea in this area might be possible for ways to improve direct communications. But such an innovative patent would not cover the obvious aspect of direct communication.

    The problem is not the patent trolls that exploit bugs in the patent system to their own unjustified financial gain. Instead, the problem is the USPTO that issues patents for obvious ideas just because they were able to find someone in their office that could not think up the idea, which appears to be more than 99% of patent applications. This is where the fix needs to happen. Patents must pass the innovation test and USPTO is not even aware how to do this test.

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  6. Re:Obvious patents and patent trolls by grahamwest · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here are a couple of the patents Apple was found to have infringed. They actually look non-obvious to me. Basically they're about running a special DNS proxy server that catches non-standard requests, checks credentials in some fashion, and either sets up a just-in-time VPN, passes them through to a normal DNS server, or returns an error. They also don't seem to be a troll company; it looks like this work was done as a government contract.

    I didn't look for any details on how Facetime peer-to-peer worked so I don't know if the ruling is correct and generally I consider software non-patentable (copyright and trade secret should be enough) but this is not what I'd call a meritless patent troll case.

    http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%252Fnetahtml%252FPTO%252Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6502135.PN.&OS=PN/6502135&RS=PN/6502135
    http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%252Fnetahtml%252FPTO%252Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7418504.PN.&OS=PN/7418504&RS=PN/7418504

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