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On Eve Of Election, Australia's Conservatives Announce Mandated Filtering Policy

Dan B. writes "After Australia's Conservative party (LNP) quietly posted a policy [PDF] to impose mandatory internet filtering just one day prior to the country's election, local premiere internet forum Whirlpool has gone in to overdrive with the fastest 50 page thread ever. At 8:30pm, both sides of politics were busy running media releases, with the Conservatives hastily back-pedalling on the policy, and the Government attacking it, accusing them of hypocrisy after voting down their own proposed filter 3 years prior, stating there was no proof filtering works."

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  1. Political stupidity at it's zenith by Taantric · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These morons would rather put the entire country and it's IT infrastructure to the expense and trouble of a Opt out system, instead of just making it a Opt In system for those families or organizations like schools that may need such a filter.

    You think the ISP or the smartphone or modem manufacturers are going to absorb the cost of this additional layer of government mandated censorship? No they are going to pass on the cost to the consumer. So for every one household that might actually use this filter, nine would not and yet those nine would still pay for it.

    PS: I don't understand the logic. How does censoring my internet protect your children from porn? It just doesn't make any sense.

    1. Re:Political stupidity at it's zenith by bobdawonderweasel · · Score: 2

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      PS: I don't understand the logic. How does censoring my internet protect your children from porn? It just doesn't make any sense.

      There is no logic. This topic comes up in politics as a way to make themselves look like they are doing something "for the children". Quite frankly, in Australia and here in the U.S. the elected officials should have better things to do with their time (and our money).

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    2. Re:Political stupidity at it's zenith by mellon · · Score: 2

      It's not the case that there is no logic. Rather, the logic just doesn't have to do with protecting kids from porn. It has to do with getting votes. But the public is developing a resistance to this tactic, and good for them for doing so. The only check on lying politicians is a skeptical and informed electorate.

    3. Re:Political stupidity at it's zenith by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, the announcement was for an OPT OUT system. They backtracked claiming they meant for it to be opt in, yet how something like that gets written up in sufficient detail describing how the opt out system would work when they intended opt in just boggles the mind (read: they're a pack of liars).

    4. Re:Political stupidity at it's zenith by dywolf · · Score: 2

      Oh no, thats not the logic. It's about protecting you from yourself. after all, you simply cannot be trusted with your baser instincts. they must be managed by an outside entity. for your well being. you dont know yourself well enough to know your emotional or physical needs, nor can you be trusted with the responsibilty of personal choice. Trust us. Its for the best.

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  2. Re:Why... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a test for future policy development: if they can get away with spouting crap before the election, they know they can get away with murder afterwards.

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  3. Just a distraction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Smells like a deliberate "mistake" to keep the news outlets busy for the final day before the election. Will prevent scrutiny of their policy costings they only just released today, 48 hours before the election.

  4. Some links to old policy by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Informative

    The original old pdf thats now been replaced can be found via the above mentioned Whirlpool forum: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2151781#r40092377

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  5. Fastest policy backflip in history? by Cimexus · · Score: 4, Informative

    This was alluded to in the summary but in case people just read the headline and make a knee jerk post about it ... they have already back tracked from the plan. In fact they said they never had such a plan and it was a mistaken statement in the first place.

    Whichever it was, the correction certainly occurred in record time. Seeing the whole thing go down on Twitter there was barely a few hours between news outlets picking up the story of the filtering plan and Malcolm Turnbull responding and saying the whole thing was incorrect.

    Official Liberal Party press release clarifying that they do NOT intend to introduce filtering: http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/09/05/coalitions-policy-enhance-online-safety-children

    There's various other reasons that you shouldn't vote for the LNP this election. But thankfully this isn't one of them.

    1. Re:Fastest policy backflip in history? by Patch86 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For something that isn't policy, was never policy, was never going to be policy, and will never be policy, it certainly looks remarkably like an official policy manifesto to me:
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/165690692/Coalition-2013-Election-Policy-%E2%80%93-Enhance-Online-Safety-final

      Are you implying their finger slipped in just such a way as to write a 10 page policy document, cost the policy, put the correct date on the document, and post the policy to their website completely accidentally? Or are you claiming that this is some sort of absurdly elaborate (and dull) hacker forgery?

      At the very best, you can say that this is a policy that they entertained to quite a complete point before abandoning it- and that the almost-complete literature was made public accidentally. But that still implies that this is a policy that senior Liberals were happy to consider. The document is footnoted "authorised by Brian Loughnane", which is the party's Federal Director and Campaign Director; presumably a man who is at least relatively in tune with his party's policy attitudes.

    2. Re:Fastest policy backflip in history? by Cimexus · · Score: 2

      I'm not implying anything (hence the second paragraph beginning "Whichever it was..."). Not trying to judge either way whether it was an actual mistake, or a genuine policy which they've hastily backtracked from (I agree that it looks like the latter). Just putting the link up there for people.

      For the record, I've already voted (I'm overseas so voted by mail) and it wasn't for the Coalition.

  6. Re:Backlash is a wonderful thing by stewsters · · Score: 4, Informative

    In English, if someone says "I would that" it means "I wish that' in a more poetic sense.
    source

  7. Re:Backlash is a wonderful thing by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

    It's almost like elections in the U.S. are dominated by gerrymandering, personality, and advertisements, in a way that essentially creates a caste-based system of representation.

  8. Re:Why... by ackthpt · · Score: 2

    Do politicians repeatedly insist on inserting their feet into their mouths hours before an election?

    They were caught in a moment of honesty, voicing their opinions as they truly are, usually you see this sort of hubris after the election.

    if they were on the internet we'd call them trolls

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  9. Re:Why... by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

    I don't think this is what the usual "foot in mouth" or whatever it's called when a politician, required by the media to be talking 24 hours a day for about a year, inevitably proves human and something comes out wrong or is wrong. This was intentional. The mistake, if there was one, was thinking no one would notice.

    To their credit, if it's more complex than "THIS politician made a cuss and the microphone picked it up!" or "Someone said this politician rubbed their genitals against someone else's genitals, and NOT THE PERSON THEY MARRIED!!!" the media usually WILL ignore it, along with everyone else.

  10. Re:Backlash is a wonderful thing by ciderbrew · · Score: 4, Funny

    For example. When you see a group of 4 ladies. Your can rate them with: Would. Would. Would't. Would.

  11. Re:Backlash is a wonderful thing by intermodal · · Score: 2

    don't you have a grammar nazi rally to attend somewhere else right now?

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  12. Re:Why... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    Do politicians repeatedly insist on inserting their feet into their mouths hours before an election?

    Well, governmental buildings are well-known hotbeds of the foot-in-mouth disease.

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  13. Re:Backlash is a wonderful thing by SleazyRidr · · Score: 2

    When I say "I would that" it means "I'd hit that". Actually most things I say mean that...

  14. Another scandal too? by wisty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's a thread on reddit Australia - some guy claims a Liberal Party Facebook app is harvesting data using hex-encoded javascript. I'm pretty sure it's against their own privacy policy, the Facebook ToS, and possibly illegal.

    1. Re:Another scandal too? by Shatrat · · Score: 2

      He probably means obfuscated, where all the variable and method names are replaced with gibberish. The other way to do it would be to have a small shell javascript that translates and runs a payload of what is apparently gibberish, so that it's not quite as trivial as a 'show source' to see what naughty business is being done.

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    2. Re:Another scandal too? by wisty · · Score: 3, Interesting

      OK, go here: http://thechoice.liberal.org.au/assets/js/scripts_a525ba27d7083afd6698e2641babf7ff.min.js

      Find the bit that starts: decodeURIComponent((new RegExp("[?|&]"+a+"=([^&;]+?)(&|#|;|$)").exec(location.search)||[,""])[1].replace(/\+/g,"%20"))||null}var _0x8ece=["\x68\x74\x74\x70\x3A

      How exactly do you describe it?

  15. +1 Insightful by zooblethorpe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a test for future policy development: if they can get away with spouting crap before the election, they know they can get away with murder afterwards.

    Not sure why that's currently rated at +5 Funny -- this is quite insightful. Politicians do indeed do this. Lay out a (sometimes batshit-insane extreme) policy position before an election, and if the electorate rolls over, the politicians know it'll fly just fine. If the electorate raises a holy stink, back off and propose something slightly less batshit-insane that's calibrated to squeak by. This is how bullshit becomes modus operandi. This is also how Microsoft has been working to make its Panopticon (a.k.a. XBox One) palatable to the buying public.

    This approach is a proven technique. Funny? More like frighteningly accurate.

    Cheers,

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    1. Re:+1 Insightful by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Funny

      An accurate description of politics is indistinguishable from absurdism.

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    2. Re:+1 Insightful by zooblethorpe · · Score: 2

      An accurate description of politics is indistinguishable from absurdism.

      So long as we remember to laugh at ourselves, and not at the description.

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  16. Re:Why... by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 4, Funny

    They've already back-pedalled on this policy faster than Tony Abbott walking into a gay bathhouse.

  17. Re:Why... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2

    So instead of murder they'll limit future policy to the severe beatings the electorate seems to enjoy.

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  18. Security Theater by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Interesting

    More security theater designed to make people feel like government is doing something when it's not.

    My son recently started public school. I took him on his first day only to find hundreds of kids milling about the front of the school, in the street, totally un-supervised. I tried to get in and the doors were locked. They didn't unlock until 7:30am the time class started so of course, every kid was late for first period. I went to the office and they told me due to all the school shootings (in the whole country we've had what? 1? In the past 5 years?) They said I'd have to take it up with the school board and blew me off.

    Well, I did take it up with the school board. I called and pointed out that they were locking an EMPTY SCHOOL. All the kids were outside, unsupervised with no-where to go should a potential attacker arrive. It was ridiculous. To my amazement they got me in touch with the school districts director of security who conceded my point, agreed with my assessment and made a district wide policy change on the spot. She said that the change had been requested by local politicians over the summer and she hadn't really thought it through. By the time I went to pick up my kid the school was back to being unlocked. At least there are a few in government with half a brain in their head.