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NSA Shares Intel On Americans With Israel
An anonymous reader writes "The U.K.'s Guardian newspaper is reporting that the NSA shares the raw intel collected on Americans with Israel. From the article: 'Details of the intelligence-sharing agreement are laid out in a memorandum of understanding between the NSA and its Israeli counterpart that shows the U.S. government handed over intercepted communications likely to contain phone calls and emails of American citizens. The agreement places no legally binding limits on the use of the data by the Israelis. ... The deal was reached in principle in March 2009, according to the undated memorandum, which lays out the ground rules for the intelligence sharing. The five-page memorandum, termed an agreement between the U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies "pertaining to the protection of U.S. persons," repeatedly stresses the constitutional rights of Americans to privacy and the need for Israeli intelligence staff to respect these rights. But this is undermined by the disclosure that Israel is allowed to receive "raw Sigint" – signal intelligence. The memorandum says: "Raw Sigint includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content."'
The NSA is *spying* on us, and aiding a foreign country with the data. Seriously, what separates this from treason? The fact that they're not betraying the government, just the people?
Don't trust any concentration of power.
The solution will unfortunately be to fix the legal.
it isnt that we have something to hide. the reason we are all upset is that the NSA is spying on people illegally without any repercussions at all. it isnt any of the NSA's damned business what we are doing, and therefore they should not be able to obtain ANY data on ANYONE without a warrant from a judge in a NON SECRET court. there is no such thing as a secret organization that DOESNT abuse their secrecy. as long as the doings of the NSA continue behind closed doors, there will never be any real control over them and they will continue to abuse their power. why should the NSA be able to get away with spying on citizens illegally, but google gets huge fines for just using unsecured networks to transmit data for street view. sure, they are both illegal, but which one is worse, honestly?
The "Americans" didn't make this happen. The American government did. You should ask them.
You have it backwards. The US Capitol is moving out of London to Jerusalem.
"Right" . . . ? It's more like a "notion" now.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
PLEASE....vote out whoevers currently in office, and vote in anyone that will at least make lip service that this type of thing will end.
Personally, I'm less worried about a terrorist attack ending my life, than I am of my govt running roughshod over my privacy and my rights.
The giving it willingly to foreign countries' intelligence agencies is just painful icing on the cake.
Why is there not more of an uproar over this? Are US citizens that scared? Or do they just not give a fuck anymore for the rights that so many have died for over the years to protect for us....?
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
What the NSA, White House, Congress, and Judiciary (ie. FISA courts) are doing is un-Constitutional, meaning you can't get more illegal and deserving of maximum penalty than that. Murder is terrible and wrong, but it does not rise to the level of undermining the basis for our very society and the social contract that binds people to government and vice versa. With murder, one person dies; with undermining our system of government you get chaos, civil war, deprivation, demise of the rule of law, and masses of men, women, and children dying. Which is worse?
So what we're looking at right now, folks, and I mean all of us on the political Right and Left, is an entire government that has colluded to violate the Constitution, that is, the social contract that separates our country and society from Malthusian consequences. There can be no penalty harsh enough to punish them for what they have done. If we do not, as a People, levy that punishment on them now, immediately, then we deserve the misery of the slavery that meek acquiescence consigns us to.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
what's this got to do with anti-Semitism? Or, is it ok to give intel on American Citizens to other countries as long as the other countries are Israel?
Only I can judge you.
You can't vote out bureaucrats. They stay in place from administration to administration and really run things.
I drank what? -- Socrates
Yeah. We're pretty much the only nation on the planet that hasn't tried to corral and exterminate them. Must be that we're mere pawns in their global conspiracy.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Nah, we're just mostly trapped in a vicious cycle of debt that forces us to spend most of our time at jobs that treat us like serfs as well as instilling a fear that if we were to speak out and stand up for ourselves, our lives would be ruined by outside forces.
Oh, then there's that whole extraordinary rendition/Gitmo stuff.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
If it makes you feel any better, the Israeli government pinky-promised that they wouldn't use it for anything bad. And that's a PINKY promise, mister!
Right; I mean, it's not like Mossad has a reputation for being disreputable or anything...
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
It kinda figures... but why pick Israel of all allies?
I am guessing it is because there is no evidence (or it has not yet been released) of NSA handing over data to other allies. It is quite likely that everyone who asks nicely will get our data.
Yeah. We're pretty much the only nation on the planet that hasn't tried to corral and exterminate them.
That's only believable if A) you live an utterly sheltered life, where the only world history you learn about comes from Liberty University, or B) you're completely bat-shit insane.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Have gnu, will travel.
None of those other countries suck us dry, make us look bad on the world stage for backing them, or have a huge lobby to influence our government.
As globalization is (mostly) perceived in business and financial spheres (big corporations becoming supranational), lots of other aspects are moving along with this process, including bad ones: spying and security apparatus becoming global, tax enforcement becoming global, propaganda apparatus is becoming global (eg. news media in Poland producing basically the same crap and lies as US media about latest Syria debacle). Opression apparatus is also becoming global. Nation states are becoming obsolete, surpassed by moneyed interests. Politicians all around the world are propably blackmailed by NSA/GCHQ/8200 aparatchics who in turn are taking orders from big business bozos. This is why we see such fiascos as latest Obama &Kerry blunder. Not Obama nor Kerry are so stupid to make such suicidal mistakes - someone is firmly holding them by the balls. Exceptions to this rule (that is, not taking orders from NSA boys) are mercilessly pounded in our "objective" media (Putin being prime example) and their countries attacked from various angles and often outright invaded (see Libya, now Syria).
Dark times ahead, folks. With democratic processes basically defunct - at least as defined in traditional terms of national states, truly global backlash and exposing those fucks like Snowden or Greenwald are the our only hope of reversing our quick slide to (new) dark ages. This is serious, folks. It's not about principles (as our media whores try to convince us), it's about survival. It's about ordinary people NOT being crushed by multinationals and NOT becoming serfs in neo-feudal age. We need a thousand Greenwalds and two thousands Snowdens.
Seriously, Americans? What do you care? What do you have to hide!?
I don't know yet. Personally, I don't want to find out after the fact that there was something I would have wanted hidden. Maybe I'm doing nothing wrong by today's standards, but who knows how we'll think about ourselves 10, 20, or 40 years from now?
Think of how many older people you know/knew who lived through the days when racism was still openly practiced and encouraged. Think of people who have mellowed their views about homosexuality only in the past decade. Think of how people used to smoke in their homes around their children. Or how they used to spank children that misbehaved. Or let them ride in the back of a truck with no seat belt. Or let them run around naked and even take pictures of it.
If you grew up in a rural area, you probably remember someone having hunting rifles on a gun rack in the back of their truck at school or maybe you even carried a pocketknife to school. Maybe you used to be the kind of geek that wore a trenchcoat before Columbine killed that fashion off.
So who knows what innocent thing I'm doing today that will be disapproved of later? Maybe it'll just be embarrassing. Maybe it'll be blackmail worthy. Maybe it'll even be grounds for suspecting me as some kind of future or current criminal. I mean, how many Muslims in America thought their social networks would be under heavy scrutiny before 9/11?
We shouldn't have to live in perpetual fear of the future or of the judgment of our peers. We need a personal space in which to unwind and to develop our thoughts before they're ready to take before public scrutiny. We need privacy to become ourselves and not just an empty reflection of what others expect from us.
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We provide most of the Israeli arms. Their jets, missiles, guns, etc are largely supplied by the US. The United States gave Israel nuclear arms technology, an unprecedented move on the part of the US indicating they have the highest level of trust with the United States.
You don't need to draw on any racist conspiracy theory to be aware that there is a huge Christian/Jewish political base in the United States. Additionally, there are a large number of wealthy Jewish families entrenched in the top tiers of US privatized banking system including most of the Federal Reserve board. That is a massive hammer of political and financial power that pretty much guarantees the US will never be in bed with any nation as tightly as Israel.
None of this is a secret, it is a big part of why the US is now such a big target for Muslim terrorist groups. The US hasn't been fighting these groups directly but has been supplying arms, funds, technology, to prop up Israel against Muslim nations and in more recent times the "war on terror" has given the excuse for more direct involvement.
This part is speculation, the above is well known, on the record, and not denied. If there is a magical wave of dissent suddenly springing out of nowhere in the past few years in the Muslim nations where the US has been taking interest and action I would be completely shocked. Recent events and unrest in Saudi Aradia, Egypt, Syria, etc definitely have the smell of the CIA with it's hands untied playing a lot of the same games it's already admitted to playing using other nations against the USSR in the cold war.
Also, there is data sharing with common wealth nations exposed in other memos already leaked just not on this level. There could be similar sharing programs with them that aren't part of this particular set of leaked information.
Fake debt, false concern.
To WHOM is this debt owed? By whom?
It is a macroeconomic fiction, perpetrated to manage large-scale social control, and to impose hierarchies of Elite governance, through feudal taxation models.
You don't possess US Citizenship. You rent it, through various Federal taxes, and lose it through non-compliance with the collectors. Your supposed "citizenship" entitles you to no actual meaningful role in policy or governance, and is a dubious merit. Think of it as being a "Trustee" in the pen.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
"Yes, you do."
Really? Do tell, what conspiracy is required? Since when is conspiring needed for people to advance their own ideological goals?
An atheist/agnostic who doesn't see a merit in advancing any particular line of genetic decent has precisely what reason to support the massive aid given to Israel rather than advocate staying neutral with regard to what is essential a dispute about race and/or religion in the area. So, if it is not religion and desire to advance a particular line of decent driving the political push to support Israel and arm them with nuclear weapons... what is it?
Regardless of the source of the push, the fact that the US armed Israel with nuclear technology and spit in the face of all anti-proliferation stances clearly indicates political pressure to support Israel. So my overall point stands.
I love it, a completely frank leader.
Weiner for president. (as long as he runs independent of the Repubmocrats)
Put on a campaign shirt and show them your Weiner.
Fly high the finger of foreign policy. Put Weiner in to relieve the stress.
Hell, he's gonna be single now, so he won't be distracted from his stiff agenda.
No one bats an eye at a single Weiner doing his job. A stable Weiner is ABOVE the nuts,with a powerful head.
Women voters agree he ejaculates potent politics and they swell with pride for accepting Weiner.
So please, open up and let Weiner in.
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