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Massachusetts Set To Repeal Controversial IT Services Tax

Nerval's Lobster writes "Massachusetts lawmakers have agreed to repeal a six-week-old tax on computer services that generated such outrage that even the governor who proposed the tax in January now opposes it. The 6.25 percent sales tax on 'computer system design services' was proposed by Gov. Deval Patrick in January, but got little notice before it was slipped in mid-July into a $500 million supplementary funding bill meant to pay for improvements in the state's public transportation system. It was passed by the legislature with almost no debate, was signed into law by the governor with little public outrage, and went into effect – theoretically – July 31. IT businesses in the state used social media, business associations and angry letters to both lawmakers and local media to describe problems with the tax and show their opposition. Confusion over what qualifies as a 'computer system design service' and how to actually implement the tax – which was supposed to generate $161 million in revenue for the state – has been such a challenge to implement that the state has yet to collect a dime. The main logistical problem is figuring out what is covered and what isn't: data access, data processing and 'information services,' for example, are not taxed, which exempts most hosting, cloud, outsourcing and remote-access monitoring or security services. Democratic leaders announced Sept. 12 they would support repeal of the tax, which could be completed within weeks. 'It is now evident that the impact of the tax is broader than any of us ever anticipated or intended,' according to Mass. Senate President Therese Murray at a press conference Sept. 12."

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  1. Idiots by XanC · · Score: 2

    (see subject)

    1. Re:Idiots by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well at least they're smart enough to try and repeal it. It takes one kind of fool to get involved with a stupid thing. It takes another kind of fool to not change course when it is evident they made a horrible mistake.

    2. Re:Idiots by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      The latter kind of fool being commonly known as a 'politician.'

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    3. Re:Idiots by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Yes, but I have to say after reading the summary, I'm actually quite impressed that the Massachusetts politicians have reversed course on this idiotic tax so quickly. Usually, politicians do exactly like you say: refuse to change course after it's obvious they made a horrible mistake. Maybe I should look into moving to MA....

    4. Re:Idiots by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      I'm actually quite impressed that the Massachusetts politicians have reversed course on this idiotic tax so quickly.

      I'm surprised they hadn't moved faster - tech consultants aren't just small companies after all, and some of the big boys likely started making noises about "funding opponents" and suchlike.

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    5. Re:Idiots by jazman_777 · · Score: 2

      One swallow does not a summer make. It's still Taxachusetts.

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  2. Sounds about right... by FSWKU · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Idiots make laws they know nothing about, without doing any research into the possible consequences. Film at 11."

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    1. Re:Sounds about right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am sorry, but you seem to be confusing "People who recognize their mistakes when said mistakes are pointed out to them" with "People who do research and learn about a subject before doing something." The later group learns to swim. The former figure out that swimming is not a natural skill after having been rescued by a life guard.

    2. Re:Sounds about right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But without even knowing what it was taxing, they determined it would add $161 million in revenue!

  3. Death and Taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Death and Taxes. Two things you can always rely on.

    Oh, and more NSA spying.

    Death, Taxes and NSA spying. Three things you can always rely on.

    1. Re:Death and Taxes by Megane · · Score: 2

      Death, Taxes, NSA Spying, and a fanatical devotion to the pope! Oh, now that's four things. Among the things you can always relay on are...

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  4. Stop passing the law to find out what's in it by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I swear, the way laws get passed in this country is like pushing any commit from a developer straight into production based on its commit message, without even a code review process.

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    1. Re:Stop passing the law to find out what's in it by SirGarlon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is completely accurate. Though to perfect the analogy, the legislatures take the extra step of giving major customers (lobbyists) commit access to the same code repo (draft laws are frequently written by lobbyists).

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    2. Re:Stop passing the law to find out what's in it by cleancut · · Score: 2

      I think this poster may be alluding to this brilliant utterance.

  5. Exact same thing happened in Maryland by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Informative

    They imposed a sales tax on "computer services" that created such outrage, it was repealed before it even went into effect.

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  6. Re:Wishful thinking by SirGarlon · · Score: 2

    They did -- they predicted it would generate $161 million in revenue. The problem is, they studiously overlooked any *other* effects, like driving all technology companies out of Massachusetts and into neighboring states that don't have such a tax. This is typical. The applicable phrase is "lies of omission."

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  7. incorrect summary by sootman · · Score: 3, Funny

    It says Massachusetts is going to repeal a tax but we all know that can't possibly be right. ;-)

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  8. Re:Pick A Side! by kimvette · · Score: 2

    > Your state needs the tax dollars, so it's not so bad.

    I disagree. Taxachusetts needs to drastically cut administrative overhead and slash thousands of public hack jobs.

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  9. How did they come up with estimate? by firex726 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am curious how they can come up with estimate of how much the tax would generate, while also not having a clearly defined scope of what the tax would cover.

    It'd be like someone saying they want to buy a car, and me saying it'll cost $20k. The term "car" covers a wide, wide range of possible options, and to give an ballpark figure would be nigh impossible with any accuracy unless I knew the specifics.

  10. Re:Wishful thinking by celle · · Score: 2

    "The applicable phrase is "lies of omission."

          The real phrase is "tunnel vision". All they saw was the imaginary $161 million collection which I'm sure they've already spent.

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  11. As someone from Massachusetts by Lucas123 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Believe me, we were all in shock over this. You cannot create something in this state without the government hanging a tax on it. And, once that tax is in place and the bureaucracy suckling on the tax teat it is established, it's a permanent fixture. You'll never see a bureaucracy go away. Years ago, after returning home from a five-year stint in California, to my surprise, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts sent me an "excise tax" bill on my beat up car; the tax is, in fact, an ad valorem tax (based on the value of the car). I called my mom to ask what the heck it was and she simply stated: "Yeah, they tax driving in Massachusetts. Is it any wonder the Bay State got the moniker: Taxachusetts?

    1. Re:As someone from Massachusetts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your comment has been down modded as you failed to pay the Massachusetts State Online Message board Tax

  12. Re:Wishful thinking by SirGarlon · · Score: 2

    You're right -- Hanlon's Razor probably applies.

    Where is the line between incompetence and dereliction?

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  13. Re:Libertarians by Firethorn · · Score: 2

    Taxing me is one thing; calling it something else and pretending not to collect taxes is another.

    No real argument there. There's a difference between charging $25 for a pair of license plates because that's what they cost, having a static fee for type/weight of vehicle for the road funds, and charging on the basis of the blue book value of the vehicle - so a sucky 10 year old F-350 is cheaper than a new Prius.

    Honesty is good if you're going to do it.

    That being said, as a moderate libertarian I don't consider 'tax' a bad word, since I believe that we should have a budget that's balanced on average. You can't do that without taxes. However, said taxes should be clear and relatively simple.

    There are extreme libertarians out there that think differently, of course, just as there are people who call themselves libertarian that only do so because 'anarchist' is a dirty word that they don't want to be associated with.

    I believe that there should be a government, but limited in scope - to put it into technological terms, think of a cell phone. As a libertarian I want my 'cell phone' to be a simple flip phone, not a smart phone. But just because I don't want my phone to have email, games, web browsing, and such doesn't mean that I don't want it to have good cell reception, voice quality, battery life, etc...

    All too often in becoming bloated in scope(smart phone), we see massive increases in costs(they give away flip phones today for $30), functionality quality loss, etc... So, Law Enforcement is a 'core' government duty, so it should be effective law enforcement. Defense of the nation, courts, etc...

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