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The Boy Genius of Ulan Bator

An anonymous reader writes "A lot of us grew up tinkering with electronics and cherishing the one or two reference books we could find that explained exactly what we wanted to know. Nowadays, with internet access widely available and online educational materials coming into their own, we're going to see a lot more kindred spirits coming out of places all over the globe. The NY Times has a story about one such, a lad from Mongolia who hacked together complex sensors at the age of 16 and was one of the 0.2% of students to get a perfect score on MIT's first Massive Open Online Course. From the article: 'Battushig, playing the role of the car, moved into the sensor's path to show me how it worked, but it was clear he was not entirely satisfied with his design. "The use of the long wires is very inconvenient for my users," he said, almost apologetically, clasping his hands together in emphasis. He realized that contractors would be reluctant to install the siren in other buildings if they had to deal with cumbersome wiring, so he was developing a wireless version. ... Battushig has the round cheeks of a young boy, but he is not your typical teenager. He hasn't read Harry Potter ("What will I learn from that?") and doesn't like listening to music (when a friend saw him wearing headphones, he couldn't believe it; it turned out Battushig was preparing for the SAT). His projects are what make him happy. "In electrical engineering, there is no limit," he said.'"

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  1. limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "In electrical engineering, there is no limit,"

    In real life, there is.

    1. Re:limits by war4peace · · Score: 2

      Oh my, the genius boy who doesn't like music.
      Therefore, if you listen to music, you're dumb :)
      (doesn't matter which music...)

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    2. Re:limits by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly what does Justin Beiber have to do with music? I refer to him as an example of pop culture. Yes, I realize he is marketed as having something to do with music, but that's quite questionable.

    3. Re:limits by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 2

      He seems singularly focused, very into one area at the expense of others. It is likely he is mildly autistic, or Asperger's. Functional, he just doesn't seem to like things outside of facts. No music, apparently isn't a casual reader.

      While he is undoubtedly missing out, perhaps a mind uncluttered by fanciful notions and devoted to rooting out more facts is what we need.

      So sad to see all of the people here saying he is missing out on parts of life and wanting to "fix" him. He is clearly different, and fixing him may actually break his focus. Until he has problems as a result, best to let him be. He may have no problems at all and be perfectly happy.

  2. Must we call him a genius? by KingTank · · Score: 5, Funny

    When we could simply call him "Master"?

    1. Re:Must we call him a genius? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We'll be calling him burnout or a shrink in 5 years sadly. No music, no recreation at all? Yeah I've met a few of those types over the years and...well it never ends well. It is like they bottle everything, using the pressure to gain forward momentum, problem with that? No vessel can contain infinite pressure so sooner or later they blow and when they do its ugly.

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    2. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      When we could simply call him "Master"?

      Master of Ulan Bator? Only if he's "hands on" ;-)

    3. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We'll be calling him burnout or a shrink in 5 years sadly. No music, no recreation at all?

      You are confusing earplugs with listening to music and/or recreation. You never see me listening to recorded music, either. Particularly not while I am working. Or driving a car. Or doing anything else requiring concentration. Or, realistically speaking, ever. Listening to music requires attention for me. Because music makes sense. If I need to space out between concentration, I practice music. That's ok. It accomplishes something. Listening to music, in contrast, just burns attention for nothing.

      And it's badly paced, too: I could never listen to an audio book: I'd go crazy with impatience. Reading books, in contrast, is fine. When I practice and/or play music, the pacing is mine. It may even be slower than music I listen to, but if it is, it is so for a reason.

      There are places for eating dinner who play music. Mostly I can deal with that fine. But not if there's things like baroque music or so. Either I focus on the music or on the food. Not listening to the music is similar to throwing the food on the floor. It just does not make sense.

      People confuse music with background noise and get uncomfortable when there is silence. That's really sick, and of course it lends a heavy advantage to braindead music.

      Sorry for the rant, but I'm annoyed at people who think the right way to consume music is to treat it like white noise.

    4. Re:Must we call him a genius? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Another Genghis Khan in the making? The kid's in puberty. Wait until he's in male menopause. That should slow him down a bit.

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    5. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      TFA mentions his interest in photography, tennis and billiards, so it is unfair to say he does not have any time for recreation. As for music, not everyone is interested in music so much that they would bother to actively seek out opportunities for listening music. I am also an electronics guy and I don't listen to music either (instead, I have a passion for movies).

    6. Re:Must we call him a genius? by hedwards · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Pretty much. You look at the geniuses that are identified and lauded at that age and few of them are still doing well 20 years later.

      The brain does decline somewhat with age, but not to that extent. At some point you hit a wall you can't figure out and if you haven't developed other interests, then you can spend 50 years banging your head up against it without noticing the door on the other end of the room.

      But, more than that, this kind of focused genius isn't particularly resilient in the long term. The brain needs to have various stimuli in order to function best. Sometimes the answers you need are only accessible with mental flexibility.

    7. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Insecurity has nothing to do with it. I've got an IQ that measures in the 140s despite learning disorders, a head injury and significantly less working memory than average. I've literally never met anybody that's brain functions on the level mine does.

      And I still take note of the fact that these prodigies rarely ever maintain that lead for long. Having a high IQ and talents like this is hardly the only factor. The people who wind up leading their fields are typically much broader in their abilities. Sure, they might not be the best in their area, but they've spent enough time with other disciplines that they can tell which way the wind is going and make appropriate plans.

    8. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree. Music is like many things. It is fine is moderation. The current mentality is to make it a defining aspect of ones life. It is unhealthy.

    9. Re:Must we call him a genius? by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 2

      The vast majority of people can actively enjoy music in the background *and* pay attention to what they're doing -- it doesn't become "white noise" just because we're not focusing all of our attention on it. Music also actually helps us enter the 'zen' state that results in markedly improved performance; at that point, we'll be focused on the task, but fall right back out of the zen state if someone shuts the music off. That's why music is commonly found playing in situations that require a great deal of concentration: performing surgery, playing a tough video game, writing fiction, etc.

      It's definitely not "wasted" attention, in other words: it makes use of the unused/left-over attention that otherwise goes unused, and when well-chosen to fit the person's preferences & mood, it brings pleasure, enhances their emotional state, and helps them perform better.

      It really sounds like you have to concentrate more than most other people do in order to make sense of certain sensory input. I have that problem when it comes to spoken communication: I must concentrate intensely to understand what's said (a condition known as an auditory processing disorder) or to formulate a spoken response, and I know a few people whose visual processing is so crappy that they have to consciously concentrate in order to drive a car even after 10 years of driving.

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    10. Re:Must we call him a genius? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Because unlike an athlete, like say a sprinter or boxer, where every second past maturity counts against them, somebody who has a brilliant mind can do great things for decades if they don't burn themselves out first? Look at Sagan, Hawking, hell Einstein did some of his best work in his later years.

      Again sayings exist for a reason, and "the candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as quickly" has endured so long because it is truth,again I've met a few of these "wunderkind" in my time and they nearly always end up a burnout or a basket case before they are 30. Ironically you mentioned sprinting when in reality a better description of life would be a marathon and if you use all your energy you would be screwed?

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  3. Hero of this story is the high-school principal by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not taking anything away from this young man's abilities but what struck me most about the article was his high school principal, Enkhmunkh Zurgaanjin. To quote from the article:

    The answer has to do with Battushig's extraordinary abilities, of course, but also with the ambitions of his high-school principal. Enkhmunkh Zurgaanjin, the principal of the Sant School, was the first Mongolian to graduate from M.I.T., in 2009, and he has tried since then to bring science and technology labs to his students. "My vision," he told me, "is to have more skilled engineers to develop Mongolia. To do that, everything has to start from the beginning."

    Here is a man who graduated from M.I.T. but rather than entering the private sector to cash in on his hard work he instead went back to his home country to bootstrap his fellow countrymen. Kuods to this man.

    1. Re:Hero of this story is the high-school principal by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      It's a kid with a mentor who works hard. The right person in the right situation.

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  4. Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by dryriver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously - Every couple of weeks there is news that some 12 - 18 year old spark somewhere in the world has come up with something ingenious. Anything from devices that create/save electricity, to some bio-trick that means that treated food doesn't spoil or decompose easily. And then comes - drumroll - NOTHING AT ALL. We never hear a word about these young geniuses again. We never see ingenious products/inventions created by them on the market. In all likelihood these "young geniuses" get recruited by some multinationals, and disappear into the belly of said multinationals, into some company lab, never to be heard from again. And its been this way for a while. The only "magic innovation" from a young genius that HAS made it into the market recently is Euclideon's Geoverse software. And with that one, everybody said/swore it was "vapourware", despite realtime videos showing the Euclideon 3D tech working as it should. ------ Wake me 5 years from now when these "young geniuses" have contributed something tangible to the real world; Something you can buy/lease/use in some way. My 2 Cents....

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    1. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're absolutely right. I was a childhood genius and now look at me. I'm posting on /.

    2. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by MaWeiTao · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given that it's impossible to track the lives of all these individuals how do you know how they turn out later in life? Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean they're not doing significant work.

      The problem with you, and most people for that matter, is that they've been educated by Hollywood to expect that everything important must be immersed in fanfare and drama. Most of it goes unnoticed until one day; holy shit, we're all driving cars, or browsing the internet or buried in our smartphones. The vast majority of human progress has been a very deliberate and iterative process.

      But you unfortunately, in your mind this kid will be a failure because he'll never live up to your Iron Man-fueled fantasies.

    3. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by asmkm22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not at all impossible to track the lives of these people. And you're right that they very well might be going on to do great work that never see's the light of day for most people. Which is exactly what everyone else does. I think his point is that there are lots of smart people doing really great things out there, but the media has an over-fascination with these extreme cases where the kid ultimately ends up like everyone else.

      You see it in the high school sports world as well. There will be some article about a 7 foot tall 9th grader who's tearing up the competition and is destined for the NBA and then... nothing. You actually can find out what happened with a little research, and it usually ends up being something like they weren't nearly as good in practice as they were on paper, at the higher levels of the sport. So they go on with life and maybe even play some college basketball, but eventually settle into something completely unrelated, but more realistic.

    4. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by c0d3g33k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd say you missed the point then. You accuse dryriver of needing Hollywood-fueled fanfare and drama, when in fact dryriver was questioning the need to play the "child genius" card every time a young person does something exceptional. That means nothing without some sort of followup so the second half of the story is told, hopefully involving living up to the early promise.

    5. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by SteveAstro · · Score: 2

      Some kill themselves.
      Like Aaron Schwarz

  5. Suspicious by Squiddie · · Score: 3, Funny

    He hasn't read Harry Potter ("What will I learn from that?")

    Confirmed for replicant.

  6. Harry Potter? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow, it really says something about the mentality of the reporter..."you're young therefore you read Harry Potter." WTF? These are not universal values, they are just YOUR values from inside the bubble.

    Hurrah for his response, by the way. Stick it to 'em.

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  7. ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He hasn't read Harry Potter ("What will I learn from that?") this is both an ignorant and arrogant statement. an intelligent individual would read the books and then say there was nothing to learn from them, yet this kid assumes there is nothing to learn from it. the fact of the matter is that one can learn something from anything, it's merely dependent on perspective. he could learn things like loyalty, courage, conviction, friendship....many life lessons that he won't learn unless he pushes himself outside of his comfort zone of academic achievement. just like he needed help from others to make his reality a possibility.

    "I want to make good things for humans."

    how can he do good things for humans if he doesn't understand humans or have perspective? but the kid isn't smart enough to figure that out. some genius.

    1. Re:ignorant and arrogant by VAElynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One doesn't need to taste a shit to tell it isn't chocolate.

  8. and no music? by nten · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not only has mathematical ability been correlated with music, people who don't enjoy music scare me a little. Someone once said that liking at least one song by Nina Simone was a prerequisite for humanity. Shakespeare regularly had his antagonists show an indifference to music. I think he might have been on to something.

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    1. Re:and no music? by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      Not only has mathematical ability been correlated with music, people who don't enjoy music scare me a little. Someone once said that liking at least one song by Nina Simone was a prerequisite for humanity. Shakespeare regularly had his antagonists show an indifference to music. I think he might have been on to something.

      I don't listen to music very much, and it always annoys me when people ask "what kind of music do you like", as if it were some basic human need like eating. People like different things, and I sometimes resist the urge to ask "what programming language you prefer" or "which is better, Xilinx or Altera?" in return. Now, I actually enjoy music a lot, but I enjoy a bazillion other things too, and I don't want to spend a considerable part of my time consuming some product someone else made.

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    2. Re:and no music? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      "I don't listen to music very much, and it always annoys me when people ask "what kind of music do you like", as if it were some basic human need like eating. "

      No. They ask it because you are literally a freak if you don't like any kind of music. There are people who don't feel, but it is common to ask someone how they are feeling. The reason is - what for it - if they don't have any feelings then they are a freak.

      I am of course excluding deaf people. I once heard someone ask a deaf person what kind of music she liked. I was appalled, but it didn't seem to bother her a bit.

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    3. Re:and no music? by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      No. They ask it because you are literally a freak if you don't like any kind of music. There are people who don't feel, but it is common to ask someone how they are feeling. The reason is - what for it - if they don't have any feelings then they are a freak.

      Hmm, actually, the really annoying question is "what kind of music do you listen to", as if everyone had a hobby of actively listening to music. Of course, most people are exposed to a lot of music, and they can form opinions without an active interest.

      On another note, I think my relationship with music is rather complex, and I don't like giving a brief answer consisting of this or that popular genre.

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  9. Really bad choice of article quote by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article: 'Battushig, playing the role of the car

    Huh? What car?

    moved into the sensor's path to show me how it worked

    How what worked?

    "The use of the long wires is very inconvenient for my users,"

    Well, obviously.

    He realized that contractors would be reluctant to install the siren in other buildings

    What siren?

    TL;DR: Next time, pick a paragraph from the article that makes sense in isolation.

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  10. Get the name right by myowntrueself · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ulan Bator is based on a misunderstanding. The correct spelling is Ulaanbaatar.

    It means 'Red Hero' and, surprisingly, predates Communism despite its reference to the color red. The city is named for a historical character whose real name, deeds etc have been forgotten. All that it is remembered is that they were a woman.

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  11. A Supergenius? by Anarchduke · · Score: 2

    I'll believe it when he build me a hoverboard. He has 2 years.

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