Cyanogen Mod Goes Commercial To Make "Available On Everything, To Everyone"

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Cyanogen Mod Goes Commercial To Make "Available On Everything, To Everyone"

Posted by Unknown on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @04:48AM from the live-long-and-profit dept.

The popular Cyanogen Mod distribution of the Android Open Source Project dropped a bombshell today: the founding members have formed a corporation (currently with a team of seventeen hackers) to work on the project with the founder of Boost Mobile as the CEO. Quoting the announcement: "You have probably seen the pace of development pick up drastically over the past few months. More devices supported, bigger projects such as CM Account, Privacy Guard, Voice+, a new version of Superuser, and secure messaging. We vastly improved our infrastructure. We’re doing more bug fixes, creating more features, and improving our communication. We think that the time has come for your mobile device to truly be yours again, and we want to bring that idea to everybody. ... So what does this all mean for the community? The first thing I wanted to do when I realized we were actually doing this, was tell everyone possible. But when starting a company, you have to think about the larger picture. This meant not announcing until the time was right, our house was in order and we would have something to show. I have seen open source projects come and go, some being bought out and closed, others stagnating and falling by the wayside. I don’t want to see this happen with CM."

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ugh! too mainstream! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 04:51 · Score: 5, Funny

cyanogenmod is OVER!
1. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by thsths · 2013-09-18 05:49 · Score: 1
  
  They may have picked up the pace, but they also dropped all the devices I own. So for me, this is a non-issue.
  I am tempted by the Nexus because of the high resolution screen, but I really want an SD card slot, and dual SIM if possible. Anything like that supported by CM?
2. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by nurb432 · 2013-09-18 05:50 · Score: 1
  
  It depends. It could go either way.
  
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  ---- Booth was a patriot ----
3. Re: ugh! too mainstream! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:54 · Score: 0
  
  No dual sim but the galaxy s2 i9100 is supported by nightlies. Sadly, cm10.2 doesn't work fully... for anyone.. but if you stick to the nightlies before July 22 it works great, Android 4.2 of course
4. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Beardo+the+Bearded · 2013-09-18 06:14 · Score: 1
  
  I've got an S3, but it's only got the one SIM card. It's easily accessible though.
  What Cyanogenmod is missing is Bluetooth support. They have the basic functions down, but they redid the stack to be technically correct and now it doesn't work. They're waiting for Google to release some future API in a supposedly-upcoming release.
  Also, GTA: Vice City doesn't work. But that's a minor thing.
  
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5. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:37 · Score: 0
  
  Yep, my Fascinate looks like it's been dropped also. No new nightlies since 10.1 7/23/13. Oh, well, at least it's still relatively current with most of the current OEM Android versions. I just don't get how they can continue to support the Captivate which is essentially the same phone and not this one.
6. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:53 · Score: 1
  
  I have the S3 on verizon and have been using CM 10.1 since March with no problems with bluetooth. There use to be issues with the phone using low rate audio and connection issues but it works without problem with the bluetooth in my car, my bluetooth ODB2 sensor, and various computers and gadgets. Maybe you should try CM again.
7. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Beardo+the+Bearded · 2013-09-18 07:39 · Score: 2
  
  I'm using it now.
  Audio goes through with no problems, it's the data accompanying the audio that doesn't go through. The track info doesn't show up on my stereo, although it did before I flashed to CM. It's a known problem, but it's waiting for the Google API to update (presumably in Android 4.3) for implementation.
  
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  ECHELON is a government program to find words like bomb, jihad, plutonium, assassinate, and anarchy.
8. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Krojack · 2013-09-18 07:45 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Bluetooth low energy doesn't work on the Samsung Galaxy line because Samsung won't release the hardware specs on it. If you want to make use of BLE then you need to run a TouchWiz ROM. All the other standard Bluetooth seem to work just fine.
9. Re: ugh! too mainstream! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 08:24 · Score: 0
  
  There are 10.1 release candidates for the s2 now as well
10. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Nerdfest · 2013-09-18 08:32 · Score: 1
  
  That is quite dick-ish. Maybe they really are copying Apple.
11. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Real1tyCzech · 2013-09-18 08:45 · Score: 1
  
  Didn't the Captivate have more RAM?
  (Fellow Fascinate owner here)
12. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 11:37 · Score: 1
  
  Meanwhile, BLE works fine on iOS. It sounds like someone got some sand in their vaseline.
13. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Weezul · 2013-09-18 13:11 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  There will obviously be way more cyanogenmod now, but the question is :
  Can we trust them now that they're a corporation?
  How many developers are Americans subject to National Security Letters?
  
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  The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. -- Bertrand Russell
14. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by noh8rz10 · 2013-09-18 14:32 · Score: 1
  
  thank you for this insightful comment. I feel so much better now.
15. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 14:38 · Score: 0
  
  Thanks for the tip, Mr. Nelson.
16. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 17:14 · Score: 1
  
  Do any other ROMs work on iPhones?
  Because that's the kind of dick-ishness OP is accusing Sammy of.
17. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by serviscope_minor · 2013-09-18 18:54 · Score: 1
  
  Interesting.
  If this is really the case, then they are actually not running BLE to spec, and should not be selling it as such (of course, I'm sure they pay enough money to be allowed to). Thing is, Bluetooth 4 actually specifies a standard driver interaction, so if they don't work with standard drivers, then it's not bluetooth 4.
  Yes, I hae actually ploughed through a significant fraction of the bluetooth 4 spec.
  
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  SJW n. One who posts facts.
18. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 23:42 · Score: 0
  
  it appears to be organized as an "LLC", which is an american form of a company.. so your answers would be:
  "no more than any other american company that has root access to your device"
  and
  "all of them".
19. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by nurb432 · 2013-09-19 04:17 · Score: 1
  
  You are welcome.
  
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20. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by noh8rz10 · 2013-09-19 05:40 · Score: 1
  
  woosh
21. Re:ugh! too mainstream! by stub667 · 2013-09-19 18:36 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, they picked the wrong time to setup a company like this on US soil.
  Now there is a company, there is somewhere to send the national security letters and executives and employees to punish if they don't comply.
  Any proprietary code and hosted services run by the company don't get the 'we are not Google' feature many CM users are after.
Support the FagPhone and then we'll talk! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 04:54 · Score: -1

Sorry guys, I only use FagPhones. The FagPhone 5's chamfered edges slide up my rectum with ease and no need for lube.
Sent from my FagPhone shoved up my ass
1. Re:Support the FagPhone and then we'll talk! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:01 · Score: -1, Troll
  
  As if you'd use anything other than FagOS even if it were available.
2. Re:Support the FagPhone and then we'll talk! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:06 · Score: -1
  
  You're right. Android just isn't gay enough.
  Sent from my FagPhone while riding Saint Steve's rotting cock
3. Re:Support the FagPhone and then we'll talk! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:38 · Score: 1
  
  It's amazing to me how people in this industry (such as yourself) treat tech like some kind of religion.
  
  Don't use it if you don't like it.
  It's just a tool, get over it and get that chip off your shoulder.
4. Re:Support the FagPhone and then we'll talk! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:44 · Score: -1
  
  Can I fuck your ass please?
  Sent from my FagPhone 5 shoved up male hooker's anus
5. Re:Support the FagPhone and then we'll talk! by thetoadwarrior · 2013-09-18 06:30 · Score: 0
  
  And android fanboy getting all aggressive and shitty about iphone online? That's unique.
6. Re:Support the FagPhone and then we'll talk! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-19 07:30 · Score: 0
  
  Do you have some kind of prehensile dick to be posting messages like that?
they have a girl!!!!!!! by alen · 2013-09-18 04:54 · Score: -1, Offtopic

in the picture there is a girl on the team? what does she do? i've never seen their booth at a trade show and she doesn't seem like the booth babe type
1. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 04:57 · Score: -1
  
  She's the pole dancer and the on-retainer office prostitute.
2. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 04:57 · Score: 0
  
  Gotta be the dba...
3. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 04:58 · Score: -1, Flamebait
  
  in the picture there is a girl on the team? what does she do? i've never seen their booth at a trade show and she doesn't seem like the booth babe type
  She deflects Equal Opportunity lawsuits. In the industry we refer to this type of position as "Token Tits".
4. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 04:59 · Score: 0
  
  What does the dog do?
5. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:00 · Score: -1
  
  They have 2 girls on the team, if you count the ugly one in the back...who might actually be a tranny, but in these civilized times they call those male trannies "she" anyway.
  -- Ethanol-fueled
6. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:04 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  You and the 4 or the 5 ppl below you are morons.
7. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by MightyYar · 2013-09-18 05:07 · Score: 2
  
  Crusty also seems to be on the team.
  
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  W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
8. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:11 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Stop this.
  Girls code. Girls hack. This is not news, and contributes to an incorrect societal marginalization of people sans Y chromosome in jobs like this.
  What's more, you imply a team like this would only have such a woman on their payroll as a sex object.
  You would probably say, indignantly "it was just a joke, all in fun!" Joking in this way is not OK. It needs to be shut down and shunned by society, and I'm calling it out everywhere I see it.
  I'm a member of the Y-chromosome club, and I condemn alen's message.
9. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:12 · Score: -1
  
  Wow! a GIRL!!!
  How the hell is this possible?!!
10. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by starworks5 · 2013-09-18 05:15 · Score: 0
  
  I think the dude behind her named danesh is her boyfriend.
11. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:17 · Score: -1
  
  Sandwiches
12. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:18 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  True. I don't usually subscribe to the "women are persecuted/abused/marginalized in IT" meme but this kind of crap gives me pause.
13. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 05:19 · Score: 0
  
  You're absolutely right, get an account though so people can see your posts.
14. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:20 · Score: 0
  
  True. I don't usually subscribe to the "women are persecuted/abused/marginalized in IT" meme but this kind of crap gives me pause.
  ... and it sure is certain that none of the guys are great pickings (though I may be too het to know).
15. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:21 · Score: -1
  
  Hey look, let's all point and laugh at the virgin.
16. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:23 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  COBOL was designed by a woman. Spanning-tree protocol was invented by a woman. This thread is why I use a guy's name to play WoW and Halo.
17. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by adolf · 2013-09-18 05:41 · Score: 0
  
  Does this mean that girls cannot be sex objects?
  
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18. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:42 · Score: 0
  
  I thought that was Larry Fine dyeing his hair blue.
19. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:47 · Score: -1
  
  I only half agree with you, being that the cute one seems to be Asian. So she actually probably does contribute.
  White/black/hispanic girls, not so much.
20. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:50 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  COBOL was designed by a woman.
  Not exactly helping your case there.
21. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by muncadunc · 2013-09-18 05:53 · Score: 1
  
  Man here. This is absolutely unacceptable. Women code too. Women are smart too. In fact, women are human beings, just like everybody else.
  
  I would mod this "troll' if I could.
22. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by muncadunc · 2013-09-18 05:54 · Score: -1, Offtopic
  
  Commenters on Slashdot should not be able to hide behind "Anonymous Coward" to post comments like this. This kind of comment should be a bannable offense.
23. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Atzanteol · 2013-09-18 05:56 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Stop this.
  Girls code. Girls hack. This is not news, and contributes to an incorrect societal marginalization of people sans Y chromosome in jobs like this.
  What's more, you imply a team like this would only have such a woman on their payroll as a sex object.
  You would probably say, indignantly "it was just a joke, all in fun!" Joking in this way is not OK. It needs to be shut down and shunned by society, and I'm calling it out everywhere I see it.
  I'm a member of the Y-chromosome club, and I condemn alen's message.
  This cannot be repeated enough.
  
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  "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
  
  - Charles Darwin
24. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Noughmad · 2013-09-18 05:58 · Score: 0
  
  Of course not, now that gay marriage is legalized, you can't even think about people of the opposite sex. Don't you watch Fox News?
  
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25. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:00 · Score: 0
  
  well that escalated quickly.
26. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:01 · Score: 0
  
  Does this mean that girls cannot be sex objects?
  It means that girls get to choose. (Unless you're a feminazi, then it means that girls get to choose but guys are forbidden from appreciating their choice one way or the other).
27. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:04 · Score: 1
  
  Scruffy is compiling the new kernels.
28. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:05 · Score: -1
  
  Fuck you, you coddled little cowardly whiny crybaby whose mommy and daddy protected and held hand through the entirety of life. It's dangerous censorist bootlickers like you who are the greatest danger to society.
  And, for the record, before I was banned I once got 4 or 5 +5 comments, plus another two +5s as AC in a single discussion about wired homelessness; among numerous other +5 comments and many, many fans. But, thanks to crybabies like you, I was banned from posting because you and assholes like you insist on throwing the baby out with the bathwater because baby's widdwe feewings got hurt.
  -- Ethanol-fueled
29. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by LateArthurDent · 2013-09-18 06:09 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Joking in this way is not OK.
  There is no such thing as a joke that is not OK. People like you get offended, but that's because you don't understand the power of a joke. You're not going to change the mind of actual misogynists by telling them you're offended about their beliefs. But when society makes fun of their beliefs by making a joke like that, and everyone laughs instead of seriously agreeing, that means we're moving past it. We're showing those people their arguments have been shot down so many times they're not even worth it debating anymore. We can just voice what they're parroting and everyone understand it to be a joke, because that's the only thing that opinion makes sense as.
  When you take it seriously and get offended, you actually legitimize their position. Stop it.
30. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Desler · 2013-09-18 06:11 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Yeah! Let's also flog them in Times Square and have them thrown in jail too!
  Or instead of being a bootlicking authoritarian who can't handle free speech, you simply dispute them with facts rather than trying to shut them out. Censorship doesn't change minds. It simply means those thoughts remain but are simply hidden away behind feigned politeness.
31. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by freeze128 · 2013-09-18 06:14 · Score: 1
  
  They also have a dog.... What's your point?
32. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Minwee · 2013-09-18 06:14 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  COBOL was designed by a woman.
  Not exactly helping your case there.
  Women can hate humanity just as well as men can.
33. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by P-niiice · 2013-09-18 06:14 · Score: 1
  
  COBOL.
  
  You left yourself wide open there.
34. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by TWiTfan · 2013-09-18 06:18 · Score: 0
  
  Girls code. Girls hack.
  Yes, but does THIS girl do any of that?
  Oh wait, I just saw the pic and realized she's Asian, so she probably did actually earn her place.
  
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35. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by c · 2013-09-18 06:25 · Score: 1
  
  in the picture there is a girl on the team? what does she do?
  Who cares? I mean, they have a dog and a circus clown too, and nobody thought to ask questions about how they contribute...
  
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36. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Peristaltic · 2013-09-18 06:26 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Commenters on Slashdot should not be able to hide behind "Anonymous Coward" to post comments like this. This kind of comment should be a bannable offense.
  It's a stupid comment posted by an idiot, but what you advocate, simply because the AC's statement offended you, is much, much worse.
  If you don't like it, browse comments at > +2, leave here and go to a forum that censors, or better yet, put on your big boy/girl pants and ignore it instead of trying to control everyone else's experience on /. just because you are offended.
37. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by wbr1 · 2013-09-18 06:40 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  Indeed. I am a guy and Limor Freid is one of my heroes. And she is cute :P
  
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38. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:44 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  Only because it's obvious: the dog does PR and the clown is Management.
39. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by jareth-0205 · 2013-09-18 06:44 · Score: 2
  
  Girls code. Girls hack.
  Yes, but does THIS girl do any of that?
  Oh wait, I just saw the pic and realized she's Asian, so she probably did actually earn her place.
  *Brilliant*. You have replaced sexism with racism. Well fucking done.
40. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:45 · Score: -1
  
  Dear admins: please ban muncadunc on the grounds that he hurt my feewings.
  Does that help you understand why you're an idiot?
41. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:54 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  > There is no such thing as a joke that is not OK.
  The punchline needs to bring attention to the problem and not further victimize the subject. This "joke" had no point, and was simply mocking women. That makes it not OK. Sexist jokes are ok when we are laughing at the asshole, not the victim. This "joke" suggested all a women can do is stand in a booth. If the joke were rephrased to show the idiocy of males in technology, then it'd be different. But that takes thought and actual wit, of which the original joker had none.
42. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by TWiTfan · 2013-09-18 06:57 · Score: 1
  
  So you're saying she didn't earn her place? Fucking racist!
  
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  The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
43. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 07:02 · Score: 0
  
  I think idiots like you need to be shut down and shunned by society.
  Oh no. I'm a delicate flower and I can't accept it when people joke about serious issues.
44. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by cayenne8 · 2013-09-18 07:04 · Score: 1
  
  You would probably say, indignantly "it was just a joke, all in fun!" Joking in this way is not OK. It needs to be shut down and shunned by society, and I'm calling it out everywhere I see it.
  Hey, grow a pair...and enjoy the joke.
  ;)
  
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45. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by cayenne8 · 2013-09-18 07:05 · Score: 1
  
  Stop this.
  Girls code. Girls hack. This is not news, and contributes to an incorrect societal marginalization of people sans Y chromosome in jobs like this.
  What's more, you imply a team like this would only have such a woman on their payroll as a sex object.
  You would probably say, indignantly "it was just a joke, all in fun!" Joking in this way is not OK. It needs to be shut down and shunned by society, and I'm calling it out everywhere I see it.
  I'm a member of the Y-chromosome club, and I condemn alen's message.
  This cannot be repeated enough.
  Hmm...I think you just disproved that.
  :)
  
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  Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
46. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by cayenne8 · 2013-09-18 07:10 · Score: -1, Flamebait
  
  Man here. This is absolutely unacceptable. Women code too. Women are smart too. In fact, women are human beings, just like everybody else.
  I would mod this "troll' if I could.
  Hmm...let's see if you like this one any better.
  You know what the definition of a woman is?
  -- A life support unit for a cunt.
  :D
  
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  Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
47. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 07:12 · Score: 0
  
  crybaby.
48. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by twocows · 2013-09-18 07:19 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  I'm sure I'll get modded to oblivion for speaking out against the current PC fad, but I think it's important to fight this sort of overreaction when it crops up.
  "This... contributes to an incorrect societal marginalization of women."
  How?
  
  "You imply a team like this would only have a woman on their payroll as a sex object."
  Yes, God forbid he makes a joke about how seeing a woman in such a position is a rare sight.
  
  "Joking in this way is not OK. It needs to be shut down and shunned by society."
  Why, exactly? You make this claim with no justification whatsoever. To me, it just seems like you're taking political correctness too far (and furthermore, bullying him for it). Yes, it was a dumb joke (and should be called out as such), but it was just a joke. I hardly think it's so bad that we need to collectively shun what he said. He's not making any suggestion about how things should be, he's making a joke in poor taste. The defining feature of what he said was that it wasn't meant seriously, and attacking something made in jest as though it wasn't makes you look like someone with a stick up their ass and will deafen people to you (and, moreover, other people who make similar arguments to you) when you point out something actively malicious, like someone seriously suggesting that women shouldn't be in such a role.
  
  I've seen this all happen first-hand on places where I regularly post; the overreaction by society at large to anything perceived as remotely sexist is pushing certain niche communities further and further away from a moderately egalitarian position, and what used to be a group of people who mostly either didn't care and just wanted to pursue their hobby or who generally supported the principles of egalitarianism are now becoming hostile to the entire feminist movement (both the moderate and the extremist parts of it, nobody makes a distinction so they get grouped together) and, by extension, many of the tenets of egalitarianism. If you want to bring these people back over (which I assume is what you and folks like you want; it could well be that you really are just on an ego trip, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) and convince them that there ARE real problems, then you need to bring them to the table and discuss the real problems with them and not immediately label them as evil, sexist Nazis the moment they disagree with something you say. I know for a fact that some of the concerns folks in these communities have are legitimate and that not everything the PC/feminist movement says should be treated as gospel because there are places where your side is overreaching and there are issues you're ignoring on the flip side. Moreover, you need to stop jumping all over every faux pas they commit (like you just did). You're setting yourself up to be the bad guy to them, and there's nothing that convinces people of their rightness more than a big, evil oppressor trying to kill their culture.
49. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 07:21 · Score: 0
  
  Just want to make sure I have this right. You want to use peer pressure, stereotyping, and oppression to fight peer pressure, stereotyping, and oppression...?
  And people wonder why it still happens...
50. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by GT66 · 2013-09-18 07:24 · Score: 2
  
  Wow, look who takes themselves too seriously. Honestly, the ones that take the greatest offense are the ones that are the most insecure and put their entire lives into proving a point. Joking this way IS ok, because it's a joke. Like your coding skills and your self-righteous indignation.
51. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by GT66 · 2013-09-18 07:33 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  "If the joke were rephrased to show the idiocy of males in technology, then it'd be different." Oh you mean like all the jokes about men being unable to take care of babies, or children? Jokes about men being "nerds" and "dorks"? About being "commitment-phobes"? Jokes about men not "manning up"? Jokes about men being socially or fashionably inept? Jokes about men buying fast cars because of their small penises? Jokes about men being domestic buffoons in the family? Or how about all the feminist jokes about "all men" being rapists or abusers or oppressors? It seems to me that men have been taking jokes for a long long time. Equally, it seems to me that it is YOU who cannot take a joke which must make it really hard for you to live with yourself.
52. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 07:33 · Score: 0
  
  Everybody knows there are no girls on the internet.
53. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 07:47 · Score: 1
  
  Joking in this way is not OK.
  There is no such thing as a joke that is not OK.
  LateArthurDent (1403947) rapes children
  LateArthurDent placed explosives on a plane
  LateArthurDent set a kitten on fire
  LateArthurDent rapes more children
  LateArthurDent has orgies in the horse pen, with the horses
  LateArthurDent has no genitals
  LateArthurDent steals from family, friends, and jobs
  LateArthurDent is now linked in Google to all the above terms, and is now on multiple NSA lists.
  Have fun getting groped at the airport, followed by being raped in prison LateArthurDent!
  (ps, just kidding!)
54. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by zAPPzAPP · 2013-09-18 07:49 · Score: 1
  
  It's a little surpising she manged to do all that, given how small she is.
  Heightism.
55. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 07:50 · Score: -1
  
  As this post's parent shows, these 'womyn', as well as their leftwing mangina and neocon whiteknight apologists, do a lot of whining, too. Do good work and you won't have to worry about throwing up smoke and mirrors for your incompetence.
  All these people do is bring insecure highschool level social dynamics into work. They need to shut the fuck up.
  
  I'm a member of the Y-chromosome club, and I condemn alen's message.
  wow, you GO GRRRLFRIIEND!!!!
56. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 08:00 · Score: -1
  
  Yes you are right. If you want to change the opinion about men not being able to take care of babies, etc., then you mock those doing the mocking. Not those being mocked (men in this case). The principle remains the same. I said you make the joke about the "asshole". You assumed the asshole was a man. I gave an example, and my example also used men, but if that is the part you focus on, you are missing the point.
57. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 08:15 · Score: 0
  
  This is the internet, and as the old adage goes, it is where Men are MEN, Women are MEN, and Children are the FBI.
58. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by g1zmo · 2013-09-18 08:25 · Score: 1, Funny
  
  Oooh oooh ooh, when is it my day to decide what should and shouldn't be allowed? Am I on the schedule yet? How do I get on the schedule?
  
  --
  I have found there are just two ways to go.
  It all comes down to livin' fast or dyin' slow. -REK, Jr.
59. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by epyT-R · 2013-09-18 08:29 · Score: -1, Troll
  
  Really? to the point where the noise floor hits 0db? Oh wait we already hit that point in the lamestream media, and in the law sometime in 199x. Now it's all noise. Enough already. All it's done is drive the remaining men further and further from committed relationships, make women incapable of them (90%+ of divorce is initiated by women), and create a bunch of PC-programmed, crybaby whining apologists like yourself, male and female both.
  Try finding a reasonably attractive, fertile western woman with a pleasant disposition and life skillset, who doesn't have a giant feminist chip on her shoulder waiting to lash out post wedding day, and I'll show you a winning $800m jackpot lottery ticket. This is why 1 in 2 marriages end in divorce now (and who knows about the quality of the remaining 50%). Both genders are being encouraged to avoid commitment, for different reasons, the 'progressive' 'no fault' option coupled with oldschool alimony being quite the incentive for her. To today's women, men are appliances that must fit her 'lifestyle.' The moment he doesn't, or balks at enough shittests, he's gone, and divorce is not between him and her, it's between him and his wallet. The proof for this is in the law and its precedent, and the proof of the cultural attitude is in virtually every modern television program, movie, and diva pop tune. Youtube is loaded with it too. Men who ignore this reality when dealing with women are fools. Look up the term 'starter husband.'
  I'd say that PC socialist morons like you and the idiot you quoted should be the ones muffled, but then I'd be stooping to your level. I prefer liberty, for everyone, not just specific classes deemed 'oppressed' by some blue ribbon government committee.
60. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 08:35 · Score: 0
  
  I also have a Y-chromosome, but unlike you, I'm also a man with a dick and balls, and your hatred for men expressing themselves and their gender identity disgusts me, and no, it doesn't need to be shut down and shunned by society, your hatred of free expression, if anything is what should be shunned.
  With all the discrimination men face today for having a penis, we should at least TRY to hang on to our right to express ourselves, rather than becoming some pussy whipped manpologist like yourself.
61. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Real1tyCzech · 2013-09-18 08:49 · Score: 1
  
  Get back on your pole and dance, girl. We don't pay you to post on Salshdot!
  And when you're done with that, Steve's waitin' in back. Now git!
  No need to hide. You Sir, are far more despicable than the person to whom you responded.
62. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 08:51 · Score: 0
  
  I'm the AC who originally posted.
  Have you ever heard the statement "If you repeat it often enough, it becomes true?" That actually happens. Particularly when jokes like this are accepted or waived aside as "just the norm, no biggie" you get a culture where people - even if they know better - contribute to building this false picture.
  I would have no problem if the original comment was along the lines of "I saw her at the CM booth at a trade show last Spring; I remember this because I was pleasantly surprised to see a female at a booth actually engaging people instead of just standing there as a booth babe." THIS statement comments on the current societal state, but provides accolades for the CM team for moving forward in a positive direction. Instead, he makes a joke in poor taste about her attractiveness and how girls on the payroll are usually just booth babes.
  It is not OK to joke in this way. Or to make statements to this effect. This isn't an overreaction; you are just unused to seeing ANY reaction! This stuff happens all the time, and you and others say nothing. It's implicit acceptance and approval of a culture that marginalizes women. The only correct response is "that isn't right, here's why, stop." There is literally no way to engage without being contrarian.
  Regarding the "bad guy" effect. There's a reason I wrote these posts AC. What you describe is what happens any time anyone makes the slightest effort saying this stuff isn't OK. Instantly lots of people who are just as bad - you may be well meaning and not one of them, but there are a many who are not - immediately support the initial offender with loads of hate and vitriol directed at them. Sometimes they go so far as to attempt to unmask your online identity, steal your identity, or send a SWAT team at your house. One of these responses is an overreaction, but I don't think it's the one you are asserting.
  Lastly, I don't even identify as a feminist. I respect ANYONE, regardless of race/ethnicity/gender or other factors, based on their words and actions. I just as soon come to any other group's defense. But I stand by my original comment 100%, and am confident that the fullness of time will prove me right.
  Can you say the same?
63. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 08:54 · Score: 0
  
  Gotta have links tying the name to the keywords, imbecile.
  By your (stupid) logic, anyone in this article now has whatever alias they've used tied to these words, dumbass.
  You're dumber than dirt, moron. I'd give you a clue, but you wouldn't know what to do with it.
64. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 08:58 · Score: 0
  
  laughing my ass off...
  Literally...it fell off... ..I think I need to see a doctor....
  Help?
65. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 09:01 · Score: -1
  
  Seriously, fuck you.
  Every word out of your mouth makes you sound like a faggot.
  Men have a right to express their gender superiority and misogyny, just as feminist man-haters have a right to express their hatred for men (and covert penis-envy).
  Women are over half the population, and don't have a monopoly on bigotry. They are not a minority, and they are not victimised, stop being a cunt.
66. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 09:03 · Score: 0
  
  Indeed they do. Having said that, they occur at a distinctly lower rate than men. One reasonable explanation I've seen is being slightly autistic spectrum aids programming, and men tend to be a bit closer to the autistic end.
67. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 09:18 · Score: -1, Troll
  
  Try finding a reasonably attractive, fertile western woman with a pleasant disposition and life skillset, who doesn't have a giant feminist chip on her shoulder waiting to lash out post wedding day
  Protip: just because you're a giant misogynistic asshat that repels women doesn't mean there are no women. If you show the same level of charm IRL that you show here, it's no wonder you're alone. Remember, the one constant in any failed relationship is you.
  Because god forbid women want to be treated like, you know, people.
  -- sincerely, a man who married a wonderful, attractive, fertile western woman with a pleasant disposition and life skillset.
68. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by LateArthurDent · 2013-09-18 09:49 · Score: 1
  
  Joking in this way is not OK.
  There is no such thing as a joke that is not OK.
  LateArthurDent (1403947) rapes children
  LateArthurDent placed explosives on a plane
  LateArthurDent set a kitten on fire
  LateArthurDent rapes more children
  LateArthurDent has orgies in the horse pen, with the horses
  LateArthurDent has no genitals
  LateArthurDent steals from family, friends, and jobs
  LateArthurDent is now linked in Google to all the above terms, and is now on multiple NSA lists.
  Have fun getting groped at the airport, followed by being raped in prison LateArthurDent!
  Anonymous Coward is a libeler! I'm taking you to court.
  
  (ps, just kidding!)
  Damn. That's like one of those weasel ways of getting away with libel, like adding, "in my opinion" to a sentence, isn't it. All right, you win this round.
69. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 10:02 · Score: 0
  
  Atheist, vegetarian liberal here. I've been married to my wife for 10 years, we've been married most of the time we've known each other, got married at lunch one day. I think you may have a misguided view here. Most of the states with the highest divorce rates are the "conservative" states. I think maybe the way you talk to women has something to do with the trouble you have seeming to hold a partner. It's okay though, here you're always welcome.
70. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Atzanteol · 2013-09-18 10:10 · Score: 1
  
  9/10. Good rant and you hit all the "talking points" nicely. Well done.
  
  --
  "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
  
  - Charles Darwin
71. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by samoanbiscuit · 2013-09-18 10:39 · Score: 1
  
  I'm sure I'll get modded to oblivion for speaking out against the current PC fad
  Really? Here on slashdot, the bastion of conservative tech news, you'll be downvoted? Psshh.
72. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 12:41 · Score: 0
  
  Agreed, our senior programmer analyst is the most amazing mainframe/payroll/billing coder I have ever seen. She is great.
73. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 12:43 · Score: 0
  
  What do you think is handling your money at the bank? I'll enlighten you: its COBOL running on a mainframe.
74. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by epyT-R · 2013-09-18 14:26 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Protip: replying with adhominem attacks doesn't do much for your position. In fact it re-verifies to me that the whole feminist house of cards is driven by instinct driven emotion instead of fact and reason...from both genders.
  It takes two to tango. Every step of the way, from first meet to old age... or 10th year anniversary divorce court date. As long as the neocon white knights and liberal manginas are still willing to 'man up' by continuing to shield women from reality, they will never be equal in mens' eyes...yes even guys like you who still think women need special legal protections at mens' expense. Guys like you are a big part of what holds back true equity. You're just too wrapped up in your own pride to see it.
  You close with another fallacy. I never said women aren't people or that they don't deserve rights. I made what is called a general statement, which implies exceptions. Your wife may or may not be one, but knowing nothing else, I know which side to bet on as a sane default. It's guys like you that elevate them to deity status and then shun any who dare question it, calling them losers. Questioning feminism is not misogyny, no matter what the European Union says. You're welcome to play the lottery... You might even win, but the jury's still out, and until the laws are changed to something more equitable, will be out until the day you divorce, or one of you drops dead. Good luck.
75. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by noh8rz10 · 2013-09-18 14:35 · Score: 1
  
  how do you get banned? I thought you just got modded way down. there's another level to that?
76. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by epyT-R · 2013-09-18 14:48 · Score: 1
  
  Not that statements being 'talking points' is relevant. Whether they are true or not is relevant.
77. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by epyT-R · 2013-09-18 14:58 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  I didn't mention anything about divorce rates by state. I only said that more than 90% of them are filed by women. It's not the men who are unwilling to commit these days. It also wouldn't shock me if your factoid was true. Traditional men have expectations that modern liberal men don't.. like expecting loyalty, respect, and regular sex from their wives in return for a steady, secure lifestyle. Many women, today would find it reprehensible and 'oppressive' if their husband made any demands on them whatsover. If she isn't holding all the trump cards, it's 'patriarchy.'
  Fallacy. I never said I have trouble talking to women, nor do I. If the only responses you can muster are ad hominems, perhaps it is you who is deluding himself. Many of the liberal men I've known were pantywaists around women, some to the point where they'd behave like someone else when one entered the immediate area. It was truly a sight to behold; humorous. A few would even get irate at me or some of the other guys who didn't also alter their behavior accordingly. Guess who the women went home with at the end of the night. Hint: it wasn't the pantywaists.
  Since you love to speculate about me, I will do some speculation of my own about you. I'll bet you were a guy she 'settled' on in a baby rabies or omg-im-not-married-yet fit after getting thrown off the alpha cock carousel in her late 20s. So the pussy that was pounded by a few dozen guys at parties, is something you have to work your butt off to get access too now. Congratulations sir. What a catch. When she inevitably grows tired of you ("I shouldn't have to settle!"), she will wait until alimony kicks in, and bail, cleaning you out. Woe unto you if children are present, yours or not, the state doesn't care. There will be tears and accusations, and you'll be in a world of hurt, not understanding why this is happening to you. Then you might remember reading this and realize someone tried to warn you. ...or maybe she's just a red haired (youtube U of toronto feminist) fat ugly duckling feminist troll who loves kicking her men in the balls, and you, being that modern liberal 'progressive' man, happen to like that. Good luck to you. Statistically, it is likely you'll need it.
  See? I can speculate and hurl ad hominems too. It proves jack shit. In contrast, the proof for what I'm talking about is quite easy to find. It just requires a modicum of spine and balls to challenge your politically correct assumptions.
78. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Flere+Imsaho · 2013-09-18 15:28 · Score: 2
  
  Women can hate humanity just as well as men can.
  I see you've met the ex?
  
  --
  It gripped her hand gently. 'Regret is for humans,' it said.
79. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 15:35 · Score: 0
  
  Act in the belief that you're the center of the universe, that your innate superiority gives you license to do or say anything you like with no regard to the consequences, and that anybody who tries to call you out on it is a "faggot" and a "hater".
  I suspect that stalking Timothy while wearing nothing but a raincoat and carrying a big tube of squeeze-cheese also helps, but I'm waiting for more data on this one. I promise not to cum on your crackers, Timothy! I promise!
  -- Ethanol-fueled
80. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 15:37 · Score: 0
  
  Does it have a little crush? How sweet.
81. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 15:45 · Score: 0
  
  Girls code, like shit. Every single woman we've had on a development team has needed hand holding throughout the entire process.
82. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Belial6 · 2013-09-18 15:49 · Score: 2
  
  This ladies and gentlemen is the misandrist version of 'slut shaming'. When you want to 'slut shame' a woman, you talk about how she will bang anyone. When you want to 'slut shame' a man, you talk about how he can't get any. It the other side of the same coin.
83. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 15:50 · Score: 1
  
  It was a joke, get over yourself and grow a pair. You are nobody to dictate what needs to be shut down by society, arrogant prick.
84. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 16:05 · Score: 0
  
  She has a freaking PhD, dumbass
  https://sites.google.com/site/fanzhangshomepage/
  http://www.linkedin.com/pub/fan-zhang/20/56b/b4a
85. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 16:08 · Score: 0
  
  Women are human beings. And, just like all other human beings, if given the option of leeching off of someone else instead of improving themselves, a very large portion of them will choose to do so. Our society is currently in a state where women can leech off of others. Frequently, they can leech and still have as good or better (alimony) of a life than if they actually worked hard themselves.
  
  The fact that there are fewer women in STEM is not because women are inferior, and it is not because men force them out. It is because STEM fields take effort. Women are humans, and most humans are lazy. If more men could take a career path of banging a chick while she supported him for a few years, and then divorce her with an alimony/child support check that would mean he never had to work another day of his life, there would be fewer men in STEM fields too.
86. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by dbIII · 2013-09-18 17:20 · Score: 2
  
  This is why 1 in 2 marriages end in divorce now
  Personally I think it's because the mixture of sleaze and puritanism in the USA has fucked up so many people in the head. Men expect a pure example of one of the three of Virgin/Mother/Whore instead of a real girl and who knows what the American women expect because many are conditioned to play roles instead of being real girls. I could go on but you may want to look at other Western nations without so high a divorce rate to get an idea of where things are going wrong - the quick answer is less of an expectation of perfection (your "men are appliances that must fit her 'lifestyle.'" is part of a problem more widespread in the US than some other places but how common is it really?).
  
  Try finding ...
  In my workplace I could probably find a dozen. I suggest you talk to more people. I've met crazy girls too, but I've also even met lesbian feminists that don't come close to the universal crazy girl you are pretending is widespread. I suppose I'd better point out that I'm a straight male before people assume I'm having no problems communicating with women due to being one.
  
  the proof of the cultural attitude is in virtually every modern television program, movie
  Hollywood is poison with a lot of that stuff (eg. the "True Lies" movie about the stalker becoming the white knight) but reality doesn't quite match Hollywood, even if Hollywood is a major source of fucking with people's heads. It's producing a sick society. Going apeshit over an exposed nipple at the superbowl then fining the woman and not the man who pulled her top off was wierd - apart from the penalty it's the sort of stuff the Taliban would do.
87. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by dbIII · 2013-09-18 17:33 · Score: 1
  
  Is it racism or a comment on problems with the US education system where the girls that succeed are the ones that are driven by cultural background and put in extra work on top of their schoolwork?
  When I was young, I and my sisters were driven hard to do well at school because my parents are teachers - I'd call that cultural in a way. Similarly asian parents (from what I've seen with friends and neighbours) typically drive their children to work hard at school because that's how things were done when they were young and they've seen that it worked.
  IMHO pointing out a cultural cause of a work ethic is not racism. Watching from afar it looks like asian students do well in the US due to their parents caring more about them doing well than the other parents.
88. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by semi-extrinsic · 2013-09-18 18:54 · Score: 1
  
  Try finding a reasonably attractive, fertile western woman with a pleasant disposition and life skillset, who doesn't have a giant feminist chip on her shoulder waiting to lash out post wedding day.
  From what I've heard talking to American friends, this seems to be much more common in the US than in Europe. It also seems to be more common in California than in, say, Minnesota. (My guess: you're from round about SoCal somewhere?) So I would suggest moving to a more sane country/state if this is bothering you that much ;)
  
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89. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 20:42 · Score: 0
  
  Hey, give GP some love - we ACs can really be dicks at times.
  But, GP: parent is right. I'm an AC and I usually browse at +3 as well. I'm sure that means I'm missing out on some interesting, funny or insightful comments (whenever I comment myself, I do aim there), but that's okay as I also miss out on a truckload of internet dumb.
90. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by TheGratefulNet · 2013-09-18 21:55 · Score: 1
  
  you can get mod-bombed and effectively banned. I once was, too. sometimes the mob behavior kicks in and people pile on some poor guy. my years of karma was trashed due to the group-think behavior gone nuclear.
  
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  "It is now safe to switch off your computer."
91. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by twocows · 2013-09-19 02:01 · Score: 1
  
  "If you repeat it often enough, it becomes true?"
  I've never seen that phrase in action. I've heard a lot of jokes about the state of society, I've never seen people taking them seriously. People are smarter than you give them credit for and most of us are well aware of what is and is not said in seriousness. And on the rare case where someone misinterprets, that's usually pretty easily cleared up. If people started saying such things in seriousness, then that would be the point at which we should start fighting it and you would hear no complaint from me. What you're making is essentially a slippery slope argument.
  
  "I would have no problem if the original comment was along the lines of 'I saw her at the CM booth at a trade show last Spring; I remember this because I was pleasantly surprised to see a female at a booth actually engaging people instead of just standing there as a booth babe.'"
  He was going for a joke, this was never going to happen. Maybe something like "I think everyone's missing the point; they have an endangered species on their crew" or something would have been in better taste, yeah. Regardless, I don't think what he said had any negative affect on anyone (other than the reader for reading a dumb and cheap joke).
  
  "This isn't an overreaction; you are just unused to seeing ANY reaction! This stuff happens all the time, and you and others say nothing. It's implicit acceptance and approval of a culture that marginalizes women."
  I disagree completely, for several reasons. First, I don't think something said as a joke marginalizes anyone. Second, my refusal to condemn him for it does not mean I accept and approve of the marginalization of women (quite the contrary; I believe a person is not defined by their physical features, but their strength of character, and no other metric should be used to judge people). It means I don't feel that what he said necessitates a harsh response (it wasn't meant to be serious and it is, in my opinion, harmless).
  
  As for what you said at the end, I think you missed my point. I was making a larger point about the attitude of... well, whatever you want to call it, the PC movement, progressives, whatever, that movement in general toward people who disagree. And that is, if you want to influence people who disagree with you, jumping all over their every mistake probably isn't going to do it. If they do something you disagree with but it doesn't seem malicious, engage them in discussion, don't cast a label on them and hold them up as an example of all that is wrong with society. With this particular issue, you're probably not going to win (most people aren't going to be convinced that saying something clearly in jest is going to lead to an actual problem or that, even if it might, it's something that should be fought at this stage and not the later, actually problematic stage). But at the very least, you're not going to give them a reason to dislike you and that's going to make them much more likely to concede on other issues (or, at the very least, not polarize them into the abyss).
92. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by noh8rz10 · 2013-09-19 04:02 · Score: 1
  
  it happens to me occasionally. i used to just iterate my account but now I tough it out a bit. I went from awful to excellent so I'm back on top.
93. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-19 09:41 · Score: 0
  
  Maybe they should just take it like a man.
94. Re:they have a girl!!!!!!! by jwhitener · 2013-09-20 11:40 · Score: 1
  
  Two wrongs don't make a right:)
One question by AmiMoJo · 2013-09-18 04:56 · Score: 5, Interesting

I have only one question: How will they make money? That pretty much determines if this is a good or a bad thing.

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1. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 04:59 · Score: -1, Troll
  
  Selling videos of your whore mother cuckcolding your micropeened dad.
2. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:15 · Score: -1
  
  The Energy Department on September 11 dedicated the nation’s first major research facility focused on clean energy grid integration and wide-scale deployment. Located on the campus of the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), the new Energy Systems Integration Facility (ESIF) will help manufacturers, utilities, and public and private sector researchers overcome the challenges of integrating clean energy and energy efficiency technologies into today's energy infrastructure. The Energy Department also unveiled Peregrine—the newest Energy Department supercomputer. NREL collaborated with HP and Intel to develop an innovative warm-water, liquid-cooled supercomputer. Peregrine resides in the new ESIF data center, designed to be the world’s most energy-efficient high performance computing data center.
3. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:16 · Score: -1
  
  You feel better now that you've got that out of your system? Maybe now the adults can get back to our conversation?
4. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:17 · Score: -1
  
  Please mod this factual comment upwards, please.
  -cm
5. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:20 · Score: 0
  
  A follow-up question might arise:
  If their "making-of-money" conflicts with the major players (Google, Samsung, Qualcomm etc), will the major players go from ignoring the "niche root-friendly android distro" to trying to squash it at all costs?
6. Re:One question by Desler · 2013-09-18 05:24 · Score: -1, Offtopic
  
  Adults? The second post making the homophobic post? The third post by the social retard virgin who probably scares off any woman within hundreds of feet around him?
7. Re:One question by ebrandsberg · 2013-09-18 05:26 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  I suspect that smaller companies like Blu Products (http://bluproducts.com/) could end up offloading software development and support for their phones under contract. Likewise they could offer services to enterprise customers to unify the android systems that they support on the "bring your own device" plans, so as to simplify support as well. I downloaded the newest CM daily today for the HTC One, and it prompted to link to the Cyanogenmod account, and once linked, it provided services such as remote wiping, finding my phone, etc. As such, if you have one unified version of android across multiple devices, it opens the door for providing unified services to simplify enterprise management. My worry is that companies like Samsung will not like this model since it levels the playing field between them and other hardware makers (the software is the same now) and they will refuse to release hardware level drivers to enable various features. That said, it opens the door to hardware/firmware only phone releases from small companies and open the market for rapid advancement.
8. Re:One question by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 05:31 · Score: 1
  
  The first one sounds reasonable the second does not.
  Most phones need binary drivers that cyanogenmod would not be licensed to distribute. For now they get away with it, but that won't last once they are making money.
9. Re:One question by kaiser423 · 2013-09-18 05:38 · Score: 2
  
  This is really interesting in that lots of large name manufacturers have their own semi-customer versions of Android. Lots of them are just custom skins, but quite a few also alter the Android base some.
  Now this is a different tact in it seems that Boost Mobile will have it's own version of Android. So, a carrier-specific version, which is very interesting. I think that this is a first in the Android world, and something that seemed somewhat inevitable. Definitely a way to potentially differentiate yourself, or at the very least have a lot more control. Also gives you the flexibility to keep your phones more up to date, not rely on manufacturers as much, etc. Definitely an interesting proposition. Eventually eveyr carrier may have a slightly tweak Android version (kind of like Linux distros. You have RedHat, Suse, etc).
10. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:39 · Score: 0
  
  I have only one question: How will they make money? That pretty much determines if this is a good or a bad thing.
  I would not be shocked to see Google buy them just to have them create the pure OS experience across devices. There would be synergies there. Google focuses on the OS but it is very limited in its device support. An ecosystem could be born where each phone can seamlessly go to the latest google stock. CM does it now, essentially, but its rogue and unofficial. Just a thought...
11. Re:One question by synapse7 · 2013-09-18 05:47 · Score: 1
  
  I wonder if they will begin charging for the ROM or licensing?
12. Re:One question by tool462 · 2013-09-18 06:13 · Score: 1
  
  I would expect they follow the model many other open source companies have done (deviations from this would probably raise at least one of my eyebrows): services and support.
  I've run CM on most of my Android devices at some point. I stay with the vanilla carrier OS for a bit, but it inevitably starts to annoy me, and generally ceases to get updated after a year or two.
  The dev community has done a terrific job of making it easy to root and install CM on a wide variety of phones, but everything still comes with massive "if you brick your phone, don't come cry to us" disclaimers all over it. This limits the user base to people that are comfortable hacking around on a command line and are okay with a small chance of owning a $200+ paper weight. Offering support contracts such that the average person doesn't have to dig around for hours on xdadev and cm forums trying to find information when they run into problems would expand their potential user base and be a welcome tool even for us hacker types. I know I've spent way too long trying to get S-off on my HTC One X. None of the wikis or forum posts have offered anything that helps resolve my specific issue. I'd gladly spend a bit of money to have a dedicated support person help debug it with me. Somebody who understands how the exploit works in detail and knows what and where to check to figure out why my phone in particular isn't working. I'm confident I'll eventually figure it out, but it's taking a lot more time than I'd rather spend on it.
  They also currently provide premium services like an app that enables OTA updates to any CM rom, automated backup utilities for recovery, themes, launcher apps, etc. There's a lot of potential here for offering paid services that take advantage of your additional capabilities having an open phone.
13. Re:One question by ebrandsberg · 2013-09-18 06:18 · Score: 1
  
  Usually the phone makers are releasing the binary blobs that allow CM and other custom Android versions to run. As long as they continue to do so in a way that allows the binary blobs to be redistributed, there won't be an issue. If they attempt to restrict this use however, it will result in a phone basically being blacklisted by anybody that does anything outside of the ordinary, and personally, I would not buy the phone, or advise others to as well.
14. Re:One question by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 06:26 · Score: 1
  
  Since when?
  Even the Nexus 4 had delays getting binaries out. I believe CM is just pulling them off the hardware and hoping no one cares.
15. Re:One question by P-niiice · 2013-09-18 06:59 · Score: 1
  
  All if that is possibly why they are recently looking into how badly root is actually needed. See recent Google Plus posts by the team asking about what users do most and thoughts about whether root is actually needed for those things.
  I doubt you can build a corporation that relies on the various hacks that allow installation of the replacement recoveries and root.
16. Re:One question by kenshin33 · 2013-09-18 07:30 · Score: 1
  
  and no one will care, they don;t have to distribute them directy just pull them from the device before doing anything else. anyone who has access to the phone has access to those binaries. You can back them on your computer install CM and put them back, or the rom installer can do that for you ( a la google apps). Where do you think most people get the binary blob for the camera or the gps shared library for the galaxy nexus for instance (they are not available from google).
17. Re:One question by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 07:34 · Score: 1
  
  Once this is a money making enterprise Samsung, HTC and LG will care. Copying it off the device will be considered copyright infringement.
18. Re:One question by ebrandsberg · 2013-09-18 08:31 · Score: 1
  
  HTC at least: http://blog.htc.com/2013/01/continued-support-for-the-developer-community/
  I suspect that the formalizing of CM as a company may help resolve some of these issues however, as they can push the component makers to provide the drivers to THEM. It is somewhat the same situation as with the phone makers, where they get the drivers from the component makers, and include them in their build. CM could do the same, and release the binary drivers for the CM builds on third party phones for CM builds. Who knows what will happen, once the $$ is traded, the lawyers are happy and code is released. The unique part of CM is that it would be supporting many phone vendors and not making their own phone.
19. Re:One question by Desler · 2013-09-18 12:00 · Score: 1
  
  If they attempt to restrict this use however, it will result in a phone basically being blacklisted by anybody that does anything outside of the ordinary, and personally, I would not buy the phone, or advise others to as well.
  So they'd lose about 10 sales?
20. Re:One question by Belial6 · 2013-09-18 16:15 · Score: 1
  
  I suspect that there are plenty of no name Chinese phone manufacturers that would happily supply them with both phones and the drivers if Cyanogenmod wants to make an official phone.
21. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 16:23 · Score: 0
  
  I have only one question: How will they make money?
  
  well, obviously they've secured some extra funding to put the backdoors back into their version of android.
22. Re:One question by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-19 01:59 · Score: 0
  
  Check out Republic Wireless. They modify their base kernels to prefer to run EVERYTHING over wifi as a way to keep costs way down. That's why they have so few handsets available for sale -- because they have to do such heavy customization of the OS. It is NOT just an app you can download to put the phone on Republic.
23. Re:One question by kenshin33 · 2013-09-19 11:13 · Score: 1
  
  No, remember it is the user (supposedly the lawful owener of the said device) who's doing the copying locally. No body is redistributing anything to anyone. Even better ... said files do not have leave the blocks assigned to them on the device's flash at all : skip them while erasing everything else (forall files in /system if $file != x or $file !=y .... then rm $file).
24. Re:One question by kenshin33 · 2013-09-19 11:14 · Score: 1
  
  replying to my self :/ the "or" above should be replaced by an "and"
25. Re:One question by stub667 · 2013-09-19 18:39 · Score: 1
  
  A business model that involves getting bought by Google or major handset manufacturer isn't such a bad idea.
Turning from hack into viable business by i_want_you_to_throw_ · 2013-09-18 04:57 · Score: 4, Interesting

At some point, hacker ideals can become very profitable. Cydia started as an alternative to the App Store and some estimates place revenues now as high as $10 million a year. More power to these guys!
1. Re:Turning from hack into viable business by sootman · 2013-09-18 05:51 · Score: 1
  
  > Cydia started as an alternative to the App Store
  Actually, didn't it pre-date the app store?
  
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2. Re:Turning from hack into viable business by Nerdfest · 2013-09-18 08:59 · Score: 1
  
  It's especially amazing since Apple is constantly trying to put them out of business.
3. Re:Turning from hack into viable business by adolf · 2013-09-18 11:45 · Score: 2
  
  Yes. Cydia had a working system on end-user devices for distributing third-party applications on 1st-gen iPhones and iPod Touch months before Apple did.
  At the time, Apple was championing the notion that apps weren't even needed; all anyone really needed was HTML5 and a web site to serve it to end-users.
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Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 04:59 · Score: 1

Goes commercial = jumps the shark.
1. Re:Yeah, right. by hedwards · 2013-09-18 05:10 · Score: 1
  
  Pretty much. I put it on my phone because it's free and awesome, I'm curious how they're going to make any money on this. My new phone is going to set me back $250 and they're then wanting to have some of my money for the OS? Or they'll want to do something with ads, which isn't going to be acceptable either. Or perhaps an alternate app shop that I won't use because it's going to be competing with Play.
2. Re:Yeah, right. by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 05:14 · Score: 1
  
  Really? You would not pay $5? You won't try another app store?
  A new phone costs more than $250.
3. Re:Yeah, right. by hedwards · 2013-09-18 05:23 · Score: 1
  
  Depends which phone you're talking about and yes, you can get a decent phone for that kind of money without a contract. Paying for an OS that fixes what the carrier and Google should have gotten right in the first place isn't something that I view as reasonable.
4. Re:Yeah, right. by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 05:25 · Score: 1
  
  Name one decent off contract phone for less than that.
  If the OS needs replaced why are you buying that device?
  Either you value CM or not. What you run it on has no bearing on this.
5. Re:Yeah, right. by timmyf2371 · 2013-09-18 05:45 · Score: 1
  
  The main reason I see people choosing a different ROM such as CM is to change the functionality of their device; in most cases, to expand the functionality.
  Why is it unreasonable to contribute financially towards the work of a modder for a ROM which contains features which weren't advertised as part of the standard build of the device you own?
  
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6. Re:Yeah, right. by the+order+of+His+Maj · 2013-09-18 05:53 · Score: 1
  
  Paying for an OS that fixes what the carrier and Google should have gotten right in the first place isn't something that I view as reasonable.
  Wow. I suppose the rest of us are supposed to be glad you are a productive member of our commune? What is your role in the collective?
  
  Paying other people to do work that we cannot or will not do ourselves is a tenant of a functional society. I don't know, or don't care to be a part of the society you picture yourself a member of.
  
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7. Re:Yeah, right. by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 06:14 · Score: 1
  
  You do realize paying each other is how our collective society works right? This joker would not survive in a commune, he would not contribute money or work.
8. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:16 · Score: 0
  
  I was going to say you aren't CM's target market, but on second thought: You are NO ONES ideal target market.
9. Re:Yeah, right. by the+order+of+His+Maj · 2013-09-18 06:25 · Score: 1
  
  That was kind of why I was asking him what his role would be in the hypothetical collective...
  He's probably the type that goes to potlucks without bringing food too heh
  
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10. Re:Yeah, right. by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:27 · Score: 0
  
  Depends which phone you're talking about and yes, you can get a decent phone for that kind of money without a contract. Paying for an OS that fixes what the carrier and Google should have gotten right in the first place isn't something that I view as reasonable.
  You are missing a key point: Capitalism. Google's Android, barebones, isn't terribly far off from what you get from CM. The device manufacturer puts their own spin on it by tweaking menus, perhaps adding an app or two. The carrier then bogs it down with their "Value-added" crapware, locks it all up and ships it off. You as the consumer, needing a phone, buy whatever you think best fits your needs at that time. You give said carrier money, who gives the manufacturer money, and Google doesn't get anything (Android is free, remember?). You just voted with your wallet, AT&T got money, you must like their offering over Sprint or Verizon. HTC got your money, you must like their stuff more than Samsung, Nokia, etc... Since Google isn't making a red cent off of your purchase, what reason would they have to listen to one person complaining that the button doesn't look right?
  If you really wanted to change it, get petitions started. Start voicing your opinion and see if it can become a rallying cry from the consumer hoard. Simply buying their product and then muttering to yourself or a couple friends (strangers on /.) won't change a damn thing in the corporate mindset.
  We don't know enough about CM's business plan to say, but I would venture to say that if they charged a one-time fee of $5, or went for a lower one-time and donation basis, they would still end up making some money and it won't break most consumers banks. If CM is able to turn around and tell carriers "We made $5 million last year by offering your OS without all your crap", the carriers might just listen. Look at Red Hat and MS. Once Red Hat boasted how much they were making, MS finally started to see them as a threat.
11. Re:Yeah, right. by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 06:31 · Score: 1
  
  Ah sorry, I misunderstood you.
  He does seem the type.
12. Re:Yeah, right. by gauauu · 2013-09-18 07:06 · Score: 2
  
  Name one decent off contract phone for less than [$250].
  The Nexus 4. It may be a little old now, but it's still decent. $199.
13. Re:Yeah, right. by hairyfeet · 2013-09-18 07:21 · Score: 1
  
  Straight Talk has several njice android phones for under $150, I have tried a few of theirs and I have to say...they are quite nice actually. in fact because i got tired of getting assraped on contracts and tend to be VERY hard on phones when my last contract went out I went ahead and got the bottom of the line Android they had figuring it would last a month or two and then if I liked the service I'd get a better phone. surprisingly the phone (an LG Optimus slider) has held up VERY well and while its Gingerbread I've found a ROM for it from AreaROMQ...if I ever bother. Honestly Gingerbread is a nice OS, why they added all the bloat to ICS is beyond me but my little single core running Gingerbread loads faster and launches apps quicker than my GF's roomie's brand new Galaxy Rocket, hell I even have a bunch of emulators loaded and they all run great.
  As for CM? Too limited when it comes to support IMHO, I have found AreaROMQ seems to have more phones and tablets supported and their releases seem to be faster, again IMHO. I have been offering to mod phones on the side and having tried both on several phones I have to say the AreaROMQ releases just seem...I don't know, nicer? They are fast, have nice features like that app that loads most of the bloated Android crap onto the SD (A2SD I think?) and overall they just seem to be snappier. Of course they don't support only the latest and greatest Android so the fact that they don't try to jam ICS onto Gingerbread phones might be part of it, but even on ICS devices i find the AreaROMQ releases just seem to be snappier on the same hardware. I wish the CM guys luck though as I would like nothing more than to see phones and tablets be as open as PC hardware when it comes to changing OSes.
  
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14. Re:Yeah, right. by plebeian · 2013-09-18 08:26 · Score: 1
  
  Having just moved to CM 10.2 on my HTC one I must say I disagree with your statement that most people want to expand functionality. I went to CM because I got prompted to install updates to applications that I did not use and AT&T would not let me remove. Guess What AT&T, I no longer have to deal with your stupid Apps on my phone.
  
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15. Re:Yeah, right. by hedwards · 2013-09-18 09:21 · Score: 1
  
  Nexus 4 was $250, I'm not sure if you can still get them and I'm guessing the upcoming Nexus 5 or whatever they're going to call it is going to be similarly priced before too long. The number of features that you really need and aren't affordable has come down a lot over the years. Screens can't get too much larger without no longer fitting in my pocket and the touch screens are pretty good.
  And yes, it definitely does have a bearing on this. Back when it was free, they just had to justify it being good enough to risk bricking the cell phone and voiding the warranty. Now they have to justify bricking the phone, voiding the warranty and paying for that. Meanwhile if you get a decent phone that hasn't had all that carrier crap loaded onto it, the OS is fairly good.
OS by beefoot · 2013-09-18 05:03 · Score: 1

That is the first step toward commoditized (spelling) smart phones? I can't wait for the day when I install any OS of my choice to any smart phone. Apple fans will likely be excluded from the party but who cares :-) Its market share is shrinking and shrinking fast!
1. Re:OS by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 05:17 · Score: 1
  
  Not going to happen.
  ARM lacks anything like PCI for addressing hardware. This means you have to know what hardware you have before you boot.
2. Re:OS by gl4ss · 2013-09-18 06:38 · Score: 1
  
  well jolla just announced that sailfish is capable on running on hw as long as it can boot android(I presume that means that as long as hw has android drivers it can run sailfish).
  it might be that android compatibility is going to be really the thing in that field, alternative os developers are doing their thing so that they can use android hw, since that hw is so common.
  still no pc but still..
  
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3. Re:OS by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 06:47 · Score: 1
  
  Even hardware that runs android is not all the same. You need drivers, you need kernel sources, you need to know about the bootloader and the recovery system.
  None of that stuff is standardized. You could make jolla run on any android phone, but you will need all that stuff to make it happen.
TRUST NO ONE !! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:08 · Score: 0

And that goes for cyanogen doubly !! Captain of my heart no more, no more !!
Good by SoupGuru · 2013-09-18 05:13 · Score: 2

I hope they reap the benefits of all the hard work they've been putting into pushing phone technology forward.

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1. Re:Good by crashumbc · 2013-09-18 05:36 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  Yup.
  1. create something cool users want
  2. form corporation
  2a. sellout said customers
  3. PROFIT !!@#!@#!@!!!
  While I HOPE this doesn't happen to CM the above has proven accurate to many time to be dismissed
A Fedora at Sunrise by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:16 · Score: 0

I smell another rising Sun. Hopefully the black hole of Oracle isn't the life cycle's end for this one, too.
Good long term support = $$$ by Kludge · 2013-09-18 05:17 · Score: 5, Informative

I have installed Cyanogenmod on a couple of devices that the phone maker stopped supporting long ago. I get all the new yummy android stuff without buying a new phone.
I can see this as a large selling point for companies who want to keep their devices up to date with security patches.
1. Re:Good long term support = $$$ by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:24 · Score: 0
  
  Spot on... I want an option to control OS releases on devices across the org, and its getting to the point where companies can/should pay for this as a service.
2. Re:Good long term support = $$$ by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 05:28 · Score: 1
  
  That would be great, but it would likely limit you to Nexus devices. While Cyanogenmod gets away with it for now, for a pay for product they could not continue to redistribute binaries for closed hardware that vendors do not license that way.
3. Re:Good long term support = $$$ by asmkm22 · 2013-09-18 05:33 · Score: 1
  
  Maybe. My experience is that cell phones tend to break down after a few years of use, either from batteries that can't be replaced or buttons and touchscreens that become less responsive. Not to mention system specs that get outdated.
  More importantly, any long term support contract would have to be quite a bit cheaper than the cost of simply getting a new phone in the first place, to make much sense for most people. With many new phones easily available for one or two hundred dollars (with contract of course), that doesn't leave much room for Cyanogen on that front.
4. Re:Good long term support = $$$ by interkin3tic · 2013-09-18 05:37 · Score: 1
  
  But if it were simply not wanting to pay for updates, why wouldn't they just run their devices with stock android from google?
  
  Then again, I can't understand how the phone makers make money off of their versions of android. I doubt anyone has ever made their decision to buy a samsung because "It has touchwiz!!!" Most consumers don't seem to take updates they're offered in the first place, so I can't really see it as a good incentive to buy a new phone. Offering their own versions seems to just make the fragmentation issue worse, which seems like it's eventually going to hurt sales of their phones.
5. Re:Good long term support = $$$ by tippe · 2013-09-18 06:26 · Score: 1
  
  I wish they supported Apple devices. No, seriously, I'm not even kidding. I so wish I could dump iOS on my iphone and install CM instead...
6. Re:Good long term support = $$$ by prelelat · 2013-09-18 06:52 · Score: 1
  
  I have had android devices from carriers with little to no support on them. They are locked and push out the updates themselves. These updates never see my phone. I've also had devices like my xoom that received the first major update in Canada months after the update was released in the states. If you could manage your own updates you could also hold off on device breaking updates until they have been properly tested.
7. Re:Good long term support = $$$ by Nerdfest · 2013-09-18 08:47 · Score: 1
  
  I'd quite easily pay them a subscription fee to get updates. I'm back on a Nexus device, but I miss a lot of the CM features. It really is quite amazing.
8. Re:Good long term support = $$$ by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 08:52 · Score: 0
  
  I wish I could dump CM/Android on my S3 and install iOS7.
9. Re:Good long term support = $$$ by Belial6 · 2013-09-18 16:11 · Score: 1
  
  Maybe they will make a deal with one of the many Chinese phone manufacturers to have a fully supported model.
10. Re:Good long term support = $$$ by Alarash · 2013-09-18 21:01 · Score: 1
  
  Well if you can tell me where to find the firmware image for my old Galaxy Tab 10.1, first version, I'd be glad. Because as far as I'm concerned, Cyanogenmod didn't support it much longer than Samsung. Even though the device is listed and stable snapshots for stable versions are available, the actual page is empty.
Boosting Boost Mobile by st1cky · 2013-09-18 05:18 · Score: 2

Seems like a legit move by Boost to try and reach a niche market. I wonder what Google's stance on this might be
CM upgrades rock by Kludge · 2013-09-18 05:20 · Score: 4, Informative

Let me also point out that Cyanogenmod has now built in the ability to upgrade/update by a few simple clicks on your phone's interface. It really rocks.
1. Re: CM upgrades rock by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:58 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah but they also don't put any useful information in the change logs, and when upgrading Android builds or even major cm updates, they can soft brick your phone while corrupting your backup and also killing your clock work mod :/ I've been there 5 time now.
2. Re:CM upgrades rock by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 08:36 · Score: 0
  
  by a few simple clicks on your phone's interface
  what if my phone doesn't support a mouse? what then!?
Isn't Samsung supporting CM? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:25 · Score: 0

I would swear I read somewhere that the CM team gets financial support from Samsung. Are they just trying to buy their independence from a big corporate sponsor?
1. Re:Isn't Samsung supporting CM? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:56 · Score: 0
  
  Samsung hired Cyanogen a while back.
How will this affect alternatives? by sl4shd0rk · 2013-09-18 05:25 · Score: 3, Interesting

AOKP[1] is based on the CM tree. I wonder if they will still have access to the code. I'm really not in the mood for more corporate interest BS on my device.
[1] http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/cyanogenmod-vs-aokp/

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1. Re:How will this affect alternatives? by h4rr4r · 2013-09-18 05:32 · Score: 2
  
  If not they would switch to AOSP. This is the danger with the apache license. They can take their ball and go home.
unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:40 · Score: 1

Does this not make CM more vulnerable to government assistance with security?
I can think of one way by brunes69 · 2013-09-18 05:42 · Score: 2

There is a very easy way they can make money. Via their auto update stream.
CM now supports auto update. It is a killer feature, but one they could easily charge for. IE you want to update to the latest CM over the air? Pay $10. Else, download it yourself and flash it yourself.
Another way, they could change you to download their pre-built binary images. Maybe only the images for the Nexus are free, and ones for other phones are $5 a download.
This could be a good thing. by lasermike026 · 2013-09-18 05:48 · Score: 1

Hey, people getting paid to do good work, how's it that a bad thing? The GPL and getting paid for good work can co-exist. It probably needs to.
1. Re:This could be a good thing. by Desler · 2013-09-18 05:56 · Score: 2
  
  The only part of AOSP that is GPL is the kernel. The rest is APLv2.
2. Re:This could be a good thing. by lasermike026 · 2013-09-18 06:20 · Score: 1
  
  OK, point taken. If they hurt the users someone else can fork the project.
Support Atrix and I'm in by Flammon · 2013-09-18 05:52 · Score: 1

No doubt I would by buy it if they could get the latest version of Android running on my Atrix. Saves me from buying another phone.

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Goals by nurb432 · 2013-09-18 05:53 · Score: 1

I don't see 'not start charging' in their list.
Should we expect to have to pay for this soon? If so, they better be producing something that is rock solid and offer actual support.

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1. Re:Goals by zAPPzAPP · 2013-09-18 08:11 · Score: 1
  
  Goal is to be bought by some bigger corp for a rediculous amount of money.
ill bet you a bitcoin that yahoo buys them by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 05:56 · Score: 0

fork the repo's
its probably too late any way
i wonder if this had anything to do with jbq jumping over to yahoo
yahoo is on a buying streak lately
Episode 3- Diversity Hire by triffid_98 · 2013-09-18 06:07 · Score: -1, Troll

Mal: For ISIS to continue enjoying Title 6 tax incentives, we have to meet certain.. diversity requirements.
Cyr: Oh, I think we are pretty diverse.
Lana: Hah, please.
Arch: What, you're black.. ish
Lana: ish?
Arch: Well, what's the word for it, Lana? You freaked out when I said 'Quadroon'.
Lana: Imagine that!
Arch: You imagine it!
Mal: Both of you imagine shutting up. Because after loosing Agent Pac last year..
Flash to Agent Pac with a bunch of military types
(Pac on the phone with Archer)
Arch: Hey, tell this broad what's up with ISIS, Pacman, wacca wacca wacca.
Back to the office
Mal: .. and then Agent Mugumbe..
Quick cut to Agent Mugumbe with a bunch of military types
(Mugumbe on the phone with Archer)
Arch: Hey, are you going to this lame ISIS picnic?
Back to the office
Arch: Loose cannons!
Mal: .. the ISIS palette has become decidedly monochromatic.
Arch: Iâ(TM)m one-sixtyfourth Cherokee.
(general commotion) Arch: What?
Cyr: 'A', you're probably not.
Lana: And 'B' through 'Z', nobody cares.
Arch: Racist.
Lana: What?
Arch: Youâ(TM)re anti-native American.
(Mallory whistles)
Mal: Item eight, we need a diversity hire..
Arch: I vote asian chick.
hold the phone by Charliemopps · 2013-09-18 06:08 · Score: 5, Interesting

Since the majority of supported phones didn't have their support implemented by the cyanogen mod team (They only built support for the most popular phones) how on earth can they claim the project is theirs to go public with? There were literally thousands of people that rebuilt packages and redesigned interfaces so they could get it onto other phones. I even created a release for my phone a few years ago because Cyanogen didn't support it. This seems shady to me. They were already making significant money from their apps, as was made clear when one of their team went rouge last year, why now? I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I don't think this is a good turn of events at all.
1. Re:hold the phone by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 07:02 · Score: 1
  
  I've had a few Android phones with Virgin Mobile, and there's been zero "first party" Cyanogenmod support and only somewhat broken 3rd party builds. I'd really really love if Cyanogenmod's goal for support for "Everything" ever includes any Virgin Mobile stuff.
2. Re:hold the phone by sacrilicious · 2013-09-18 07:28 · Score: 2
  
  Since the majority of supported phones didn't have their support implemented by the cyanogen mod team (They only built support for the most popular phones) how on earth can they claim the project is theirs to go public with?
  
  Is Cyanogen mode claiming the code is "theirs" in a some way different from how RedHat might claim linux is theirs?
  
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  - First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
3. Re:hold the phone by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 07:30 · Score: 0
  
  Since the majority of supported phones didn't have their support implemented by the cyanogen mod team (They only built support for the most popular phones) how on earth can they claim the project is theirs to go public with? There were literally thousands of people that rebuilt packages and redesigned interfaces so they could get it onto other phones. I even created a release for my phone a few years ago because Cyanogen didn't support it. This seems shady to me. They were already making significant money from their apps, as was made clear when one of their team went rouge last year, why now? I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I don't think this is a good turn of events at all.
  What does this have to do with make up?
4. Re:hold the phone by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 08:09 · Score: 1
  
  The team that went rouge got pretty far, but the team that went plaid really overshot the mark.
5. Re:hold the phone by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 14:56 · Score: 0
  
  http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44746084&postcount=548
  They've been forcing contributers to allow their code to be dual licensed for a while, and many have known about the move to commercial for a while.
  The Linux distro NIH nonsense has moved from the desktop to mobile.
6. Re:hold the phone by Xest · 2013-09-19 23:34 · Score: 1
  
  I know it's shocking.
  I still can't believe that Redhat and SUSE exist. I mean, how can they go and make commercial Linux companies when they didn't write it?
  Seriously though, you seem to be making the assumption a lot of people do that if it's FOSS and other contributors are involved that you can't build a commercial company on that.
  That's simply not true, and if anything commercial companies built on FOSS actually drive FOSS software to be more professional, better looked after, and better maintained whilst also giving corporations the comfort of support contracts and so forth.
7. Re:hold the phone by sacrilicious · 2013-09-24 09:47 · Score: 1
  
  Very interesting link, thank you. If they are trying to coerce dual licensing for all contribs, they may precipitate a fork. To any extent that they are abusive or misguided, I hope such a fork occurs. To whatever extent they use the money effectively to bring CM to a wider audience than they could have, while not becoming jerks, I will defer my interest in such a fork.
  
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  - First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
8. Re:hold the phone by sacrilicious · 2013-09-24 09:51 · Score: 1
  
  (replying to my own post) It occurs to me that this may result in an ecosystem rather similar to Redhat/CentOS... namely, there may evolve a downstream-from-CM distro that has more of a solely-GPL and not-for-profit bent.
  
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  - First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
Uh, what? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-18 06:22 · Score: 0

Two words: Planned obsolescence
Don't you think companies that make money by selling devices would prefer customers buy new shiny ones?
Obligatory... by denmarkw00t · 2013-09-18 07:16 · Score: 1

with the founder of Boost Mobile as the CEO
WHERE YOU AT, DOG? The whole city's behind you!
CM11 by mschoolbus · 2013-09-18 07:20 · Score: 1

When does Cyanogen Money 11 come out?
Will it remain open source and free-as-in-speech? by guanxi · 2013-09-18 07:59 · Score: 1

One point I haven't seen covered: Will it remain open source and free-as-in-speech, or are they making it proprietary?
Re:Will it remain open source and free-as-in-speec by guanxi · 2013-09-18 08:16 · Score: 5, Informative

To answer some of my own question, this is their response in their Reddit AMA:
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We are in the process of setting up a nonprofit to foster the open source side.
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There are no plans to close the source for things such as device support and work done in the community. We do need to build value for the company, and there are various things we are working on that require significant time and capital to develop- these may be proprietary but we won't pervert/close the core OS for this to happen.
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Our strength is that we have a strong open source community behind us.
The core of the project (hardware support, community contributions, etc) will always remain open source. But obviously, as a company that has financial needs, employees to pay, Cooper treats to buy, and Cyanogen-babies to feed, we will need to make careful decisions about what we open source, and what may become proprietary.
HP Touchpad saved by Cyanogenmod by David_Hart · 2013-09-18 08:52 · Score: 1

I bought a bunch of HP Touchpads during the firesale. It was a great tablet, just no OS support after HP dumped them and the WebOS developers. Cyanogenmod, while not supporting all of the hardware (i.e. video camera), enabled Android and access to all of the apps, games, etc. to an abandoned platform. I gave a number of Touchpads away as Christmas gifts that year.
I've since moved on to the Asus Transformer Pad Infinity. ASUS provides a utility to unlock their devices. I am running CROMI-X (a slightly modified version of the Asus stock Android) so I haven't had need of Cyanogenmod since switching.
Re: Will it remain open source and free-as-in-spee by synapse7 · 2013-09-18 10:09 · Score: 1

Posting this from CM device I'm not sure how I feel about this. What they do is awesome and I would want them to succeed, however it seems it was so good it's destined to become corporate bloat ware. On my cell I run slim rom and it is great.
Re: Will it remain open source and free-as-in-spee by synapse7 · 2013-09-18 10:15 · Score: 1

I think it makes me feel slimy.
Re:Will it remain open source and free-as-in-speec by gnoshi · 2013-09-18 13:01 · Score: 1

So, to summarise... not really?
The parts that will allow contributors to port to new devices will (presumably because (a) parts of that are GPL anyway, and (b) because there is a benefit to CM to having contributors doing the work of porting to new devices).
Work done by contributors will remain open source (but derivatives of that, who knows)
Apart from that: stuff will be made closed source as required to get teh monies.
That isn't to say money is the primary motivation, just that from the posts on Reddit it is clear that it will dictate what will be open source and what will be proprietary: "as a company that has financial needs ... we will need to make careful decisions about what we open source, and what may become proprietary."
Also, I'm not saying what they are doing is wrong - they need to eat after all. However, I do find it disappointing.
I don't like it by EmagGeek · 2013-09-18 13:39 · Score: 4, Insightful

With this move, they are now beholden to shareholders (i.e. the Venture Capitalists) and profit is the #1 priority, despite the flowery, rainbow-colored unicorn fantasy they are promoting.
I'd bet dollars to donuts that CM is going to become payware and possibly even supported by ads integrated directly into the O/S, with underlying information snooping software that gives them your private info so they can sell it to marketing firms.
So, no, I don't like it one bit.
1. Re:I don't like it by Anonymous Coward · 2013-09-19 00:13 · Score: 0
  
  Free software is meant to be resistant to this sort of attack, sometimes called the "tentacles of evil" test. The defence mechanism is for the community to fork the source code. We'll wait and see if that becomes necessary. Perhaps merely the threat of it will be enough to prevent it.
2. Re:I don't like it by Xest · 2013-09-19 23:40 · Score: 1
  
  Why do people always assume shareholders are involved?
  Even if shareholders are involved why is this necessarily going to change anything?
  I've seen people see the same thing about Google, it's as if they're blissfully unaware of the fact that even now Larry and Sergei have the majority of voting stock so still have a final say over what the company does. That means doing what "shareholders" want in Google's case still ultimately means doing what the two guys who founded the company want.
  Sometimes being a corporation just means more money to do things more professional by providing additional services that subsidise the core. If they're going to start offering support contracts to companies so they can hire staff to handle that whilst the core staff work on continuing to develop it then what's the problem? It means they can now do it full time rather than as a hobby around a full time job they have to do to live off.
It ain't mainstream until by ThatsNotPudding · 2013-09-18 23:41 · Score: 1

It ain't mainstream until the NSA asks / forces you to build in a backdoor.
Well crap by Windwraith · 2013-09-19 19:23 · Score: 1

CM doesn't support my phone, and from the likes of it, it seems I will never be able to try it now without changing phones...if it's even free when I do get one.
Let's see how long it takes for the first "We are a company and we need to make it profitable" piece of news where they axe or modify a major component or news about spying, adware or NSA backdoors.