Slashdot Mirror


The Other Pong

theodp writes "Before there was Pong, there was Ping-Pong. Table tennis began in 19th-century Victorian England as a parlor game for the upper-middle class, with cigar box lids used as paddles. Today, as BusinessInsider half-joked, federal law requires all tech startups to have a functional ping pong table. Photographer Alec Soth discusses his love of the game in a NY Times interview and shares some vintage photos of the sport from his new limited-edition book Ping Pong. So, why do people — especially lots of computer programmers — get obsessed with Ping-Pong? Table tennis is 'a way to do a physical sport that has actual athletic qualities but is kind of contained,' explains Soth. 'There's a real mental element to it. It's not chess, but your brain is engaged. It's a break from neuroses.'" As workplace stress relief games go, a ping-pong table is also a lot easier to carry than an air hockey set-up or a bowling alley.

98 comments

  1. Bong Pong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So, why do people — especially lots of computer programmers — get obsessed with Ping-Pong?

    It's the bong hits, stupid.

    1. Re:Bong Pong by hallkbrdz · · Score: 0

      Ping-Pong and Foosball WERE our sports at Colorado Technical (then) College.

      I played on both teams... ;-)

    2. Re:Bong Pong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      kinky

  2. asdf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I had a job interview, for a job at a technical university, on a ping pong table. Was pretty cool.

    1. Re:asdf by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did the interview include a question which asked you to describe what command to use to find out if the host "pong" is alive in a computer network?

    2. Re:asdf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a job interview, for a job at a technical university, on a ping pong table. Was pretty cool.

      I had sex under a ping pong table once. That was pretty cool.

    3. Re:asdf by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Was being able to play table tennis considered a qualification, or the only qualification?

    4. Re:asdf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but they did bring in a Chinese guy for the interview. Never had to play him though.

    5. Re:asdf by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      were you lying on your stomach or your back for the interview?

      --
      The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
  3. "why do people - especially xyz..." by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A sufficiently large group of people will have lots of members obsessed with almost any well-known pastime you can think of.

    A homogeneous group is likely to randomly have certain obsessions tip over critical mass, and then it's just a matter of fitting in.

    There's not always a peculiar explanation for everything, you know.

    1. Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      the startups I've been at did not have a ping pong table. Foosball and pool, yes. Also, I interviewed at a place that mentioned they had bowling league most employees belonged (yes, in Chicago)

    2. Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 1

      I know I haven't been a regular "employed" person for over decade so don't really have to give a fuck, but I can't bear the idea of semi-forced socialisation with colleagues at a private company. They're there to profit from my work, and I'm there to collect a salary.

      Now, I'll do *solidarity* all the way, but that will be based on my voluntary interaction with my peers, not on management initiative. If anyone mentioned socialisation at interview, I'd be concerned.

    3. Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Ping Pong is particularly good as a choice because it's a great way to beef up the cerebellum with all that cross body coordination. Plus, it's fairly cheap, the main expense being the room you put it in. Balls are cheap and tend to last a long time, same goes for the paddles.

      It's also a great way of developing focus and clearing the brain when you get stuck in a rut.

      Obviously, there are other choices that have merits, it's just that Ping Pong is pretty efficient.

    4. Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another option is beer pong.

      Or better yet, jeager pong.

    5. Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      True. Used to be some brutal frizbee with a group of guys I worked with.

    6. Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need for you to be concerned.

    7. Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Social opportunities is a feature to most people, and it coming up during an interview is, much more often than not, not a warning but just one of the things they are offering. Just as if they said they offered free soda and snacks, that shouldn't be a red flag to those that are on a diet and don't want to eat such things.

    8. Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you may be right, I am out of touch with the whole employee jazz.

      Also for using "jazz".

    9. Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." by Cederic · · Score: 1

      It's also a very physical game and I don't want sweaty people in my office.

      Play table football or pool or something instead. You know, a game where you can actually share information and discuss random shite while playing, rather than bouncing around like a demented kitten on acid.

    10. Re:"why do people - especially xyz..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you may be right, I am out of touch with the whole employee jazz.

      Also for using "jazz".

      This reminded me of a time when office workers could go to the bathroom only during the 2 scheduled 10 minute breaks -- besides the obvious one for lunch -- resulting in termination, if it was done too often. Times have changed; in most places, one no longer needs to "raise their hand" to ask for permission.

  4. Wiff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Waff

    1. Re:Wiff by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      Boris? Is that you?

    2. Re:Wiff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boris Johnson, dragging London kicking and screaming into the 18th century.

  5. Gamers by jmhobrien · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's because table tennis is the closest thing to a computer game that is socially acceptable at work.

    --
    Where is moderation: -1 False?
    1. Re:Gamers by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Maybe it's because table tennis is the closest thing to a computer game that is socially acceptable at work.

      There's fifty percent of ping and fifty percent of Pong in it. The perfect computer smoothie!

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
  6. Easier to carry? by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

    Even folded up, a ping pong table is much bigger than a air hockey table.

    --
    I've got better things to do tonight than die.
    1. Re:Easier to carry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just that. Really, who carries around large game tables of any kind? These things are like furniture. You set them up somewhere and they stay in that same spot for months or years. Table tennis also takes up a lot of space, similar to billiards. I've worked at a few companies without enough room for that, but they did manage to squeeze in a foosball table.

    2. Re:Easier to carry? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      A decent ping pong table will fold up and roll to the side of the room. If you want to play it takes like 5 minutes to set up, and if you need the room for a meeting, it takes about 5 minutes to fold up and slide to the end of the room. Or, you just take the net down, and use it as a table.

      As opposed to pool, where you absolutely have to put something over the top of it, because it's not going anywhere, between the weight and the very specific requirements to maintain a level playing surface.

    3. Re:Easier to carry? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      You don't have to move just the table tennis table to set it up, but what was already there. Which makes it a heck of a lot less practical, because that has to be portable and store in little space too. Good luck stowing a typical conference table and set of high back chairs in the same space as the table tennis table went.

      Then there's the space requirements beyond the actual table. You need a fair amount of room for the game to be enjoyable. For recreational purposes (which has a lot less space requirements than serious playing), a minimum of 28' x 14' is recommended. Less than that, and you will have problems doing strokes, or will bang into walls or other objects.

      And table tennis tables need to be level too - good ones tend to come with built-in bubble levels and micro-adjusters for all legs.

      Then you need a shower and changing are too. I sure as muck don't want to sit the entire afternoon next to someone who's been playing table tennis during lunch, unless they've showered first. Hygiene is not a greeting.

      Finally, you need a policeman.

  7. Game over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With this kind of topics I start to wonder why I am still reading Slashdot... Soon it will be Game Over for Slashdot and I'll look somewhere else for good for a high-quality forum.

    1. Re:Game over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all honesty, this site has been on the downward spiral for a while. Articles used to get several hundred comments, not manage around 50-150. There are only a few hundred (out of a couple million) users that post.

  8. cheaper than pool table by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    At every startup I have ever worked, folks wanted a pool table but when management found out what they cost we ended up with a ping pong table.

    Same thing with office space. Everyone wants a good space where you can get work done during regular hours but when you price out offices or even cubicles the BS about "communication" and "collaboration" comes out to justify the open plan office.

  9. Table tennis is like darts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for people who don't like to hang out in a bar. Unlike most sports, you can have no physical conditioning and still be reasonably competitive.

    1. Re:Table tennis is like darts by Gibgezr · · Score: 1

      You obviously are either in great shape already and play with people who can barely return the ball, or don't play table tennis. It's a pretty good workout, akin to tennis. You are moving a shorter distance (but quickly!) and swinging a lighter paddle, but the volleys are much faster, so you are constantly moving. I get as good a workout from table tennis as from tennis, just in a smaller space. Darts? You stand still and use a beer in the offhand for balance. No comparison.
      Unlike foosball/air hockey, installing a ping-pong table in the company rec room is a great way to ensure some of your employees will get some good physical exercise.

    2. Re:Table tennis is like darts by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 1

      So much this. It's a great competitive activity for programmers/developers/nerds who don't generally have the most athletic ability. Dare I say it's almost gender neutral as it places a lot more emphasis on hand-eye coordination and quick reflexes rather than any real amount of strength.

      I used to play against my mom when I was still in high school and she would regularly slaughter me without even trying. She'd have me chasing her returns from one side of the table to the other and then finish the volley with a nice subtle spin return that would leave me befuddled.

      I run and work out regularly and still love to play ping pong. I think the reason it's looked down upon by a lot of people is because it's not so much a macho game. But that's all the better for me.

  10. Re:Table Tennis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You got jailed for failing statistics and there's a tennis table in the recreation room ?

  11. Re:Table Tennis by Twinbee · · Score: 1

    You'd need to know at least 10 people who enjoyed ping-pong (and preferably 20 or even 30) for what you said to have at least a modicum of plausibility.

    --
    Why OpalCalc is the best Windows calc
  12. shallow learning curve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ping pong is pretty easy to pick up for anyone with moderate coordination. At the initial stages, improvement can be very quick which creates a positive feedback loop.

    1. Re:shallow learning curve by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Why does everyone plot "learning curves" with experience on the independent axis?

      --
      Can you be Even More Awesome?!
  13. No ping-pong obession here... by DamonHD · · Score: 2

    Maybe other things, but the two long-lived small companies that I've been a founder of have had no ping-pong tables or other sporting paraphernalia: many of us simply didn't enjoy 'compulsory' group activities/fun and still don't.

    Rgds

    Damon

    --
    http://m.earth.org.uk/
    1. Re:No ping-pong obession here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought foosball was the break room game of choice for startups in the social networking space. You know, the brogrammer thing (but ladies invited).

      So the brass could always proudly point out the foosball table to his guests, to show that this is not Bank of America or IBM.

    2. Re:No ping-pong obession here... by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      Yes, that may indeed fall into the "heroically trying too hard" behaviour that many people in this space exhibit.

      Me? I'm just an idle bum... And hate sport... and any other opportunity for bullying and grandstanding...

      Rgds

      Damon

      --
      http://m.earth.org.uk/
    3. Re:No ping-pong obession here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't like it, stop watching him!

    4. Re:No ping-pong obession here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure why simply having one around makes it any way compulsory, unless you have management problems (then you have bigger issues than whether or not you have a ping pong table). And ping pong doesn't seem like the greatest forced group activity, since you have two, maybe four people playing at a time. Places I've worked before, that had ping pong, or other skill based activities, had no problems with it. There were usually a couple people who already had a strong interest in it before hand, and would play regularly with each other, but no one else wanted to play with them because they were so good. Then there were people who had a passing interest, and might call out, "Any one up for XYZ?" to which they either find some one to play with, or about half the time no one is interested and free at the same time.

    5. Re:No ping-pong obession here... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Gee, the founder doesn't like X and (presumably) gets to determine where the money is spent -> nobody else gets to play X (and say they don't like it either)

  14. Re:Table Tennis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well he can have my ten.

  15. ping-pong and Thorazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My psychiatric training, including playing ping-pong with patients, was invaluable at an early start-up. Being good enough to *lose*, at will, while making the other person feel as if they'd earned the win was as much of an art form as playing with patients overdosed on Thorazine. They can get "tardive diskinesea", where physical motions are profoundly delayed from when they're intended, and aiming the ball to where their paddle will wind up, so that the game can continue cheefully, was the kind of skill needed to realize you *have* to leave bugs in your code so the system architect will feel empowered by fixing them, and will stay the hell out of insisting that you rewrite everything to some made-up-on-the-spot new scheme that you've already tried and know damn well didn't work 20 years ago, either.

    1. Re:ping-pong and Thorazine by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.

      --
      "Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
  16. Why not beer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one start-up I've worked at had a fridge that was regularly stocked with beer. Don't know whether you could get away with that in America though.

  17. Re:Table Tennis by Twinbee · · Score: 1

    Even if you have another ten there, it's very easy to envisage getting unlucky with the first say, 3, and then automatically taking a dislike to any you meet after that from the outset.

    --
    Why OpalCalc is the best Windows calc
  18. Faulty premise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computer programmers play BEER pong.

  19. Re:Other things for morale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not a way to increase morale, it's a strategy to employ when you have problems with the plumbing in the staff toilets and/or showers and you don't want to hire a plumber. Cos damned if I'd be using a cubicle if I suspected people were up to that in there...

  20. Celebrity endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    King Kong played ping pong with his ding dong.

    1. Re:Celebrity endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Hong Kong...

  21. hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I fly kites and when I get tired doing that I'll go back and work a little.

  22. Rock climbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I only know one coder who plays ping-pong.

    I know at least 15 who rock-climb, myself included.

    I've never had much interest in sports (ping-pong included), I've tried a bunch but it has always felt like a chore to do it, not something fun. With rock climbing, even if I'm just bouldering indoors, I *want* to do it.

    To me it's the ultimate combination of physical and mental efforts, problem-solving, and working towards reaching a goal. It's definitely not just for adrenaline-seeking showoffs (in fact, they tend to be very few, and not that good).

    1. Re:Rock climbing by Cederic · · Score: 1

      To me it's the ultimate combination of physical and mental efforts, problem-solving, and working towards reaching a goal.

      Rent a fucking helicopter. Problem solved.

      Then solve conflict in the Middle East. _That's_ a physical and mental problem to solve.

    2. Re:Rock climbing by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      maybe that's because you belong to a rock climbing club and know only hipster coders(evident by the fact that they can rock climb). I would play ping pong if I had the chance. Problem with ping pong is that unless you got someone to play with who can at least somewhat match your skills then it's useless to play it. we used to play with friends and my brother a lot when I was younger - even had a ping pong table in my room for couple of years(was great for lan parties too!).

      anyhow, rock climbers tend to want to be showoffs one way or another, like you and from your description you definitely seek the adrenaline rush from it. It's the sort of thing that people who do it advertise to everyone they know(you're more likely to hear it directly from them than from their friends, like you would hear about of lot of other past time activities).

      ping pong has a goal of winning the game. there's no rush of course if your opponent isn't any good and no chance of winning if he is too good, so rock climbing compared to ping pong is kinda like masturbating if you think about it(also people who do it often publicly say that they don't masturbate, which makes some sense then).

      anyhow, don't go mixing up too much physical with physics which make ping pong and pong like games fun.

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
  23. Wish my office had one (or more!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of all, I am not an Anonymous Coward - but just too lazy to self-identify! Secondly, I totally agree that the magic appeal of ping pong can be attributed to the perfect balance of fifty percent ping and fifty percent pong in it. Check out a spanking new blog dedicated to comically supporting the global resurgence of pong if you are like-minded and/or so inclined: http://pingpongnation.net/. Long Live Ping Pong!

  24. Re:Table Tennis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuk u faget I am a table tebbis master - suck it

  25. Re:Table Tennis by PPH · · Score: 2

    I know a hot blond babe who is a great ping pong player. She has excellent muscle tone and a nice figure thanks to this game.

    The only shortcoming I've seen is that the table is a bit flimsy for having sex on between games compared to a pool table.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  26. Construction Company by PPH · · Score: 1

    Where I worked a few decades ago. We had a ping pong table. It was great for unrolling blueprints on during working hours.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  27. All this tech-hipster crap aside... by Guy+From+V · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a former HS and Division-I varsity college "normal" tennis player (albeit low on the ladder) I scoffed at "ping-pong" pretty much like everyone else. That is until one of my teammates dared me to not look like an idiot at one of the fraternities' (women's) intramural practice sessions. I lost that dare big-time. After that I actually was interested in it as an actual sport...the fact that there were also relatively hot chicks helping me out kind of gave me a bit of incentive, also. I actually play once in a while even now and that was almost 20 years ago. I even have a STIGA rosewood racquet that is worth almost 100 bucks and replacement rubbers (yeah that's right). Anyone who thinks volleyball, the cue sports, or even golf require mental focus and physical dexterity anywhere near table tennis are seriously misinformed. If any physical game could be compared to chess I think it would be table-tennis. Ok, now mock away...I can take it.

    1. Re:All this tech-hipster crap aside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using the word "racquet" to describe a paddle - priceless.

    2. Re:All this tech-hipster crap aside... by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Except that's what it's called.

      --
      "Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
  28. Re:Other things for morale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://youtu.be/zlUOvP-kzyU

  29. at the office I work, then get the hell out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No way I feel like spending all my time at work, even if some of it is spent in "ping pong"

    I'd rather be outside or at home in my free time

  30. Re:Table Tennis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be honest I'd be quite happy making such a broad brush stroke after just three.

    But then it was only a joke.

  31. i cant pong. do i have to surrender my K&R? by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Pingpong, handball, racket-ball and any FPS - i totally suck at anything that requires reaction time faster than "glacial". Put me on a bicycle though....

    --
    The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
  32. Only amateurs and idiots by nurb432 · · Score: 0

    Call it 'ping pong'.

    --
    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    1. Re:Only amateurs and idiots by arth1 · · Score: 1

      And there's nothing wrong with being an amateur. Everybody can't make a living out of it, or there would be no one to pay.

      Colloquial names for sports are common. We can deal.
      If you insist on saying table tennis, pugilism and association football, no one is going to stop you. But others may continue to say ping-pong, boxing and soccer.

    2. Re:Only amateurs and idiots by arth1 · · Score: 2

      And continue to be uneducated idiots if they do so. The game is not ping-pong, and they are not welcome in the sport if they cant even call it the right thing.

      If you are to get on your high horse, next time, make sure you don't climb onto it backwards. It looks very foolish.

      The game was known as ping-pong until J. Jaques & Son Ltd. trademarked that name in 1901. Other manufacturers had to come up with different names.
      This is pretty much the same situation as with Frisbee and flying disc. The public continues to say ping-pong and frisbee.

      There are uneducated idiots, indeed.

      I welcome people to play against me whether they say table tennis or ping-pong. If you don't, more the fool you.

    3. Re:Only amateurs and idiots by mjwalshe · · Score: 0

      of course its wiff waff - be careful tech city of Boris will mandate wif waf tables at every start up near old street

    4. Re:Only amateurs and idiots by fliptout · · Score: 1

      All of China calls it "ping pong" (actually ping pang qiu, but I digress). Doubt you can call them amateurs, as they have professional ping pong leagues.

      --
      A witty saying proves you are wittier than the next guy.
    5. Re:Only amateurs and idiots by nurb432 · · Score: 0

      You can shove your nonsense ( and a paddle ) up your ass. I don't accept any 'commoner' name, created by the common folk.

      --
      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    6. Re:Only amateurs and idiots by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Are you one of those people who scoffs at "soccer," even though the term originated in England?

      --
      "Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
    7. Re:Only amateurs and idiots by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      Nasty troll: please go away.

      --
      http://m.earth.org.uk/
    8. Re:Only amateurs and idiots by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Bite me, worthless speck of flesh..

      --
      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  33. Dwight Schrute says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of my heroes, are table tennis players. Zoran Primorac, Jan-Ove Waldner, Wang Tao, Jorg Rosskopf and of course Ashraf Helmy. I even have a life-size poster of Hugo Hoyama on my wall. And the first time I left Pennsylvania, was to go to the hall of fame induction ceremony of Andrzej Grubba.

  34. Headis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was once introduced to a variation of table tennis played with a bigger ball and your head instead of a paddle called Headis.
    It's a lot of fun and the lack of paddles makes it more suited than table tennis to be played at hostels and parks.

  35. Floorball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ping pong is great, and I've played it obsessively in a workplace setting (my young son thought I was paid for playing it).

    In Finland, though, the workplace game of choice is floorball.

    1. Re:Floorball by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I broke someone's arm playing Unihoc once. He was coming at me fast so I just shifted weight and he bounced off my shoulder and into a wall.

      It's one of the few games I was any good at; shame I wasn't allowed to play after that.

  36. They missed the obvious by msobkow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ping pong is attractive to the tech crowd because it can be played indoors.

    It's scary out there in the real world with that hot ball burning things from the sky.

    --
    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
  37. Try real tennis! (OT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I play in Seattle and there are tons of great local players who work at Amazon, MS, what have you, loads of engineers.

    Tennis is super heavy on the statistics; it's primarily mental, then running, then hitting. And best of all, it tends to be played by people who play to have fun and not by aggressive bozos. There's an ethos of calling points fairly (players call everything on their side of the net), laughing at your own mistakes, congratulating your opponent. If you think you hate sports, probably you are not playing tennis. (Also, running is a fine sport too.)

    BTW nerds, tennis is super heavy on physics due to the emphasis on spin, angles, trajectories, and just the behavior of strings and string materials. Tennis is also the most chess-like of sports--certain shots just feel like certain chess openings (e.g., a backhand slice is pure Caro/Slav).

    Often there is a table set up out front at a tennis center, and you can usually tell the serious tennis players because they go way the hell overboard on spin when playing ping pong.

    Any, take up sports! They will improve your cognitive functioning and coding stamina.

    1. Re:Try real tennis! (OT) by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      I went the other way: first played ping pong, then some tennis. I go overboard with spin in both.

      --
      "Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
  38. Re: Table Tennis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You call someone a homophobic slur and then exhort them to fellate you. Very telling.

  39. Foosball by spongman · · Score: 1

    We had a foosball table, too. It got much more use than the ping pong table - it's much easier for beginners to join in games with more experienced players.

  40. i have a deeper question - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why is this here?