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Former FBI Agent Pleads Guilty To Leaking Secrets to the Associated Press

McGruber writes "Today, Former FBI agent Donald John Sachtleben has agreed to plead guilty to leaking secret government information about a bomb plot to the Associated Press. In May, Sachtleben agreed to plead guilty to unrelated charges of possessing and distributing child pornography, and to pay restitution to an identified victim portrayed in the images and videos he allegedly possessed." The deal includes a prison sentence of three years and seven months, and "If accepted by a judge, the prison sentence would be the longest ever handed down in a civilian court for a leak of classified information to a reporter."

178 comments

  1. I'm shocked by djupedal · · Score: 0

    . . . shocked, I tell you.

    Let the countdown to the next and then the next and then the. . .begin.

    1. Re:I'm shocked by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm growing more and more horrified to be a citizen of the USSA.

    2. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm growing more and more horrified to be a citizen of the USSA.

      You're welcome to leave and find out what an actual repressive state looks like, kid.

    3. Re:I'm shocked by noh8rz10 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm growing more and more horrified to be a citizen of the USSA.

      You're welcome to leave and find out what an actual repressive state looks like, kid.

      said the anonymous coward.

    4. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm growing more and more horrified to be a citizen of the USSA.

      You're welcome to leave and find out what an actual repressive state looks like, kid.

      said the anonymous coward.

      Online anonymity is a fundamental human right that MUST be cherished and defended against aggressors...

      Except on Slashdot. And now, there's no irony at all because (distinction without a difference 1, 2, 3...)

      - Slashdot

    5. Re:I'm shocked by Desler · · Score: 2

      Yes, anonymous free speech. A necessary right spoken of in the Federalist Papers. Why is his point less valid because he used a different pseudonym than you? If not hiding behind pseudo-anonymity makes your point more valid please provide all your personally identifying info.

    6. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This will get you started.

      Why is it that stupid people like you always assume the US must be compared to the USSR
      when there are questions about the US ?

      Maybe it's because your stupid ass has never traveled outside the US and because your
      daddy who bought the old double-wide trailer you live in was a member of the John Birch Society ?

      There are many other countries in the world which are far less repressive than
      the US or Russia.

      Denmark, Switzerland, Germany, Sweden, and France are good examples.

      The US is far from the best country in the world. One of the best strategies for choosing
      a country is to avoid any countries which are attempting or even pretending to be a serious
      power in the geopolitical sense. That means Russia, China, and the US are out. For an
      intelligent person there are metrics which show the US is not even close to the top of the
      list of best countries to live in. One example is the number of prisoners per capita. The US
      is either at the top of that list or near the top, which is not what anyone with decent intelligence
      would expect from a country which was supposed to be so wonderful.

      So fuck you and your ignorant redneck brain-dead bullshit.

    7. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume "noh8rz10" is your actual legal name then? Or is at least easily linked with your real world identity? No? You mean you're just a petty little internet hypocrite?

    8. Re:I'm shocked by moteyalpha · · Score: 1

      Just because they are toads doesn't mean other people aren't too. It is difficult to judge either behavior if it is done in secret. If the NSA records everything then they must be storing child porn on their computers and if there is one in their midst who is " wrong minded" then their computers should be confiscated and we need to search and see who had what access to information and how they used it. Think of the children.
      If possession is the only measure, they are guilty and they need to prove that they were not having bad thoughts.
      But then I read the barn this morning and it said "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" and now I feel better. All is well that ends Orwell.

    9. Re:I'm shocked by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm growing more and more horrified to be a citizen of the USA.

      Why? It seems like a fair sentence to me. There was no "whistleblowing" here that I can see. His disclosure compromised field agents, and could have done real harm. He was apparently just leaking classified info for his own benefit. This guy was not a Snowden, or even a Manning.

    10. Re:I'm shocked by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      ok, what was his own benefit here? was he paid? or what?

      when you can't step on the neck of the free press, just stomp on everybody who dares to talk to them.

    11. Re:I'm shocked by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      It seems likely that something else was really going on, the FBI agent was feeding information to the reporter for money but they couldn't prove it, hence they searched for anything and everything they could charge the agent with instead. So likely there were a whole series of leaks they couldn't pin to the agent but they where fairly certain the agent was the problem.

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    12. Re:I'm shocked by noh8rz10 · · Score: 0

      pseudonym != anonymous. noh8rz10 is a pseudonym, because even though it's not connected to a specific person, there is one voice who makes all the noh8rz posts. AC is anonymous; all number of people post comments that way. his point is less valid because it's snarky and cowardly. and I don't want to travel the world to learn what a repressive state looks like - I can do that from home!

    13. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      said the anonymous coward.

      Can't be bothered to find my login.

    14. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Illiteracy continues to be a problem world-wide, even among Slashdot posters. Take you, for example. The specific question up post was regarding what a repressive country looks like, particularly since the US was being directly referenced in a way that made it clear that the frame of reference was the USSR. Few people have any idea how bad the USSR actually was and yet they continue to reference the US as the USSR assuming there must be no difference. As a result, many people act like spoiled teenagers that assume their parents, their country, must be the most repressive place ever. The truth is that they were VERY far apart. The US is nothing like the USSR, and never has been. (You should probably be taking notes.)

      As much as some people might pretend that the US is as bad as the USSR, the US never executed millions and millions of people for a long collection of random, bullshit reasons. That did happen in the USSR. If you have a bad case of butt hurt because the US isn't the USSR, maybe you should get mental help, not snarl and spit because it just shows how ignorant you are.

      As to all of these other, "better" countries according to some "metric," you better be sure what those metrics are telling you. There are plenty of metrics where the US looks bad because the metric is chosen to reward a particular social organization or institution, such as having socialized medicine, or hate speech laws, not necessarily the actual outcomes you think they are showing. Also note that those metrics won't tell you about the ten thousand elderly that died in the last heat wave in that country because they don't have air conditioning, or the tens of thousands of people with worse healthcare outcomes since they can't get the newest medicines, or their life isn't considered worth extending under the healthcare metrics - but they will give you a suicide pill. You can see that happening in Oregon today. They won't tell you about the thousands of people kept way too long in ambulances to game the health system metrics so their facility looks good, or the euthanasia undergrounds operating in some hospitals that help "troublesome" patients get to the morgue. Oh, there are plenty of metrics out there, oh yes. And you better be sure you know what they are telling you, and what they don't, because you'll be just another input into their metric.

      If you think European countries can't be socially repressive, you aren't looking very hard. Why don't you try using some "hate speech" in Europe? There are other free speech issues as well, and plenty of others. Much of Europe is in store for some big problems in the coming years. But hey, if you aren't European all ready, I encourage you to go. Please! Sweden is nice, what don't you try setting in Malmo? I think it would suit you. Or perhaps Marseilles in France. It would extend your horizons.

      The US prison population is regrettable, but it provides a teachable moment. The prisoners in US prisons are there for actual criminal offenses, even if you think the offense should be handled differently. They aren't there because they made a fat joke about President Obama's wife. People went to prison for 10 years in the Soviet Union for making a joke about Stalin, and many never made it back alive. The prisoners in US prisons are treated humanely, not starved, tortured, and killed as happened so often in Soviet prisons.

      I hope the butt hurt heals - I wouldn't want you distracted from learning, and you need it.

    15. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The specific question up post was regarding what a repressive country looks like, particularly since the US was being directly referenced in a way that made it clear that the frame of reference was the USSR.

      Since the USSR doesn't exist any more, perhaps you need to update your encyclopedia set, smart boy.

    16. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure it matters, i'll say all kinds of wrong when it won't effect my immaginary fiqure of karma, and it's easier to ignore all the reasonable replies.

    17. Re: I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A very long post about nothing. Yes, we know that US is nowhere near USSR, it is the slow enroachment on our freedoms that is getting us close. We already have secret courts and secret police, and political dissidents are detained at airports as we speak. According to Naomi Wolf we are like Germany in the 30's - not a Nazi state but getting there.

    18. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USSR is an "internationale" standard, sort of like a political kilogram mass. It can be clarifying to have a standard like that to compare against.

    19. Re:I'm shocked by cripkd · · Score: 1

      And the prototype is kept in Kremlin.

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    20. Re: I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naomi Wolf? She thinks Snowden is a plant. Do you think it might be a mistake to take her seriously?

      The FISA court doesn't try anybody, so that is a big red line difference. The US doesn't have secret police arresting people purely for opposing the government like the KGB, Stasi, or Gestapo.

      There is certainly reason to be concerned, but the US isn't anywhere close to the burden on civil liberties that it was under during WW2. There were troubling things going on in the US at the time too.

    21. Re: I'm shocked by rioki · · Score: 1

      +1 finally somebody said it (where are my mod points!!!!)

    22. Re:I'm shocked by pspahn · · Score: 1

      False! I could have sworn I've seen it in Hollywood... at least, like, five times!

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    23. Re:I'm shocked by rioki · · Score: 2

      The possession as single ground for prosecution is a dangerous can of worms. Originally with VCR tapes and paper pictures this law made some sense, but now you can embed a 0x0 sized picture into a website and boom instant dissident conviction machine. Although I don't know about the details of this case, this sounds somewhat similar... Oh, you leaked some secret documents, ey?

    24. Re: I'm shocked by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

      I am an American, early-mid 30's, and this statement I have known to be true (somewhere in a repressed part of my brain) for nearly two decades.

      I am human. I have seen the photos that also humanize the folks in Syria. It's terrible the things that happen.

      How about, instead, we simply discuss the merits of CodeIgniter vs. Laraval... or something... ???

      The future of web development rides on us figuring out how to make PHP not completely suck. Enough with the ideological crusades. Lets start fixing problems that impact the world we love... the world we intend to leave for our sons and daughters (after giving them a link to php.net...)

      Some things are truly worth it. Gather 'round boys. We've got work to do...

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    25. Re:I'm shocked by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 1

      US never executed millions and millions of people for a long collection of random, bullshit reasons.

      Are you sure? A couple of million here, a half a million there, it adds up.

    26. Re: I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FISA court doesn't try anybody because the people it effectively does try don't actually get trials

    27. Re: I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The US doesn't have secret police arresting people purely for opposing the government like the KGB, Stasi, or Gestapo.

      The US has 16 different secret agencies and many of them have police authorities. And Yes, they have arrested people purely for opposing the government, though certainly not on the same scale as the KGB.

    28. Re:I'm shocked by AlphaWoIf_HK · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If some AC claims that 1 + 1 = 2, that must be false; after all, why else would they be trying to hide their identity? They just want to spew forth falsehoods! It's not as if I can read their entire arguments and attempt to determine whether they're valid or not without taking into account irrelevancies; that's just impossible.

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    29. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm growing more and more horrified to be a citizen of the USA.

      Why? It seems like a fair sentence to me. There was no "whistleblowing" here that I can see. His disclosure compromised field agents, and could have done real harm. He was apparently just leaking classified info for his own benefit. This guy was not a Snowden, or even a Manning.

      Yes, this one in particular seems completely normal. After all, we always hear about former government agents found leaking classified information suddenly copping to a shitload of kiddie porn found in his possession in a plea bargain...

      After all, there's just no way to plant evidence like that with programs like PRISM operating...

      And we have zero evidence of three-letter agencies violating any Constitutional Rights in our beloved history...

      (By the way, you make a fine member of the sheeple community. Do your district proud. Always believe the cover story.)

    30. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I share your horror that you are a citizen of the USA.

    31. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure about that, yes. Sanctions on Iraq were imposed by the UN, not the US, and it was Saddam that was responsible for the actions of the Iraqi government, including the theft of oil for food program money that took money intended for food and medicine to build dozens of palaces and buy weapons. As to Vietnam, you did notice that it was an actual war, right? Even then the numbers aren't that large. You need to be thinking at least 10 million to be even in the ball park.

      Why don't you take 10 minutes out of your life and watch this snippet of an award winning documentary. (And I would certainly encourage you to watch the whole thing sometime.) Then find me an example of the US doing something like that to its own people on a similar scale. If you want, try to find the US doing it elsewhere. I'll tell you now that it will be a futile search.

    32. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/05/05/bootcamp.death/
      http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/19/3057693/as-florida-teen-lay-dying-jail.html

      I'll just leave these here.

    33. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does one look like?

      Spying on its citizens - Check
      Warmongering - Check
      Ridiculous defense budget while infrastructure crubles - Check
      High incarceration rate - Check

    34. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does GITMO count as a US prison, or it is excluded for convenience because people were tortured there.

      How many "innocent" people were arrested during the McCarthyism era? What was there "actual criminal offense" other then wondering if a different political system would be better?

      The US is nothing like the USSR, and never has been
        - Both have a long history of influence peddling and colonization

    35. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      his point is less valid because it's snarky and cowardly.

      O rly? Your original comment was kind of snarky..

      I don't want to travel the world to learn what a repressive state looks like - I can do that from home!

      And this one looks somewhat cowardly.

      Pot. Kettle. Black.

    36. Re:I'm shocked by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      so fbi as an agency works like in gta V? screw justice if you can pin something on someone..

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    37. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the US never executed millions and millions of people for a long collection of random, bullshit reasons"

      What happens when the US working covertly overthrows a governemnt and a replaces it with a repressive (but US friendly) government which does the killing?

    38. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the classic " compromised field agents". Whenever anyone publishes something "bad" this is the classic reason thrown out.

      Any examples of agents who were actually compromised?
      How were they put at risk?
      Were they on some sort of "covert operation"? Were they spying on some country that didnt want them there?

      Was the american public on side for this "operation"?

    39. Re: I'm shocked by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      And did you bother to read her reasons? Snowden's "evidence" was VERY targeted at certain political parties and groups (one can't normally grab ONLY a slice that precise) and he was VERY organized and stayed focus on message (compare to Manning and pretty much every other whistleblower, not organized at all because they are in serious danger so not as focused) and his "interview" was not only professionally shot but he comes off NOT like an IT guy who is facing his first time under the spotlight but like an announcer that has done this a million times, no stammers, no stutters, no mistakes or flubbing his lines.

      I'm sorry but she is right to call attention to that as it wouldn't be the first time we've had the government use disinformation and you can't have a chilling effect upon a populace if they don't know they are being watched. Is she right? Who knows but considering we have had the government start wars with disinformation and false flags (Vietnam) it is certainly something that at least should be discussed.

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    40. Re:I'm shocked by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      Why? It seems like a fair sentence to me. There was no "whistleblowing" here that I can see. His disclosure compromised field agents, and could have done real harm. He was apparently just leaking classified info for his own benefit. This guy was not a Snowden, or even a Manning.

      whaa? what idea leads you to believe that the associated press was bribing an FBI agent for classified information? there's no hint of suggestion for this anywhere. I find it much more believable that agency xyz railroaded him than there was an AP bribery thing. If there were, they would have shut down that entire office.

    41. Re:I'm shocked by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      It seems likely that something else was really going on, the FBI agent was feeding information to the reporter for money but they couldn't prove it, hence they searched for anything and everything they could charge the agent with instead. So likely there were a whole series of leaks they couldn't pin to the agent but they where fairly certain the agent was the problem.

      whaa? what idea leads you to believe that the associated press was bribing an FBI agent for classified information? there's no hint of suggestion for this anywhere. I find it much more believable that agency xyz railroaded him than there was an AP bribery thing. If there were, they would have shut down that entire office.

    42. Re: I'm shocked by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Well said. Thanks for saving me the time of responding to the AC above.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    43. Re:I'm shocked by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      so fbi as an agency works like in gta V? screw justice if you can pin something on someone..

      Law enforcement does that all the time. You can't prove the guy did what you think he did, so you get him on something else. It was never proven in court that Al Capone was a gangster, only that he was a tax cheat.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    44. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please take 10 minutes to watch this excerpt from an award winning documentary and let me know if you think we're talking the same thing.

    45. Re: I'm shocked by Nadaka · · Score: 2

      What specific political party did Snowden "target"?

      The intelligence apparatus he confirmed has broad bipartizan support at the highest levels.

    46. Re:I'm shocked by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      The entire indigenous people of the Americas would like to have a word with you.

    47. Re:I'm shocked by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      nice. can't wait to play it. I only play one or two games a year, so what I typically do is buy a system from target, play the game hardcore for a couple weeks, then return the system. scratches my video game itch at low cost! also this way it's the best use of my time to play blockbuster games, and I don't fill the time with lesser games. on my list right now are gta V and bioshock infinite. will also consider the new assassin's creed with the pirate theme. I was a little disappointed in AC III, but AC II was prolly the best video game I ever played.

    48. Re:I'm shocked by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      Um if your a poor black kid in the french slum areas you would not see much difference apart from American cops being a lot less violent and in the US their is at least some relisation that racist stop and search is a bad thing in mainland europe much less so.

      What sentence do you think the courts in france would have handed down for leaking state secrets probably a lot more than 3 years.

    49. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say something that goes against the popular opinion on slashdot and one gets modded down unfairly. Informative, interesting, and insightful comments that go against the groupthink are often moderated as troll or flaimbait. The moderation reduces one's karma. One's ability to comment is determined by karma. Slashdot is a place where unpopular opinions are suppressed and those that express unpopular opinions are oppressed and silenced. Slashdot is quite like a repressive state.

    50. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can do that from the seat of your computer as you wish you could mod him down for making a valid point you don't like.

    51. Re:I'm shocked by Austrian+Anarchy · · Score: 1

      Wow, this is a trip. On a current project (don't click my sig if you are not interested in it) the prosecutor of the bomber I am researching suggested this very FBI agent as a source for more information on the case. It was one year after the child porn charges were filed, but he was unaware of that wrinkle. The prosecutor, now in private practice and will go unnamed, thought I would be viewed as "fringe" for my criticism of the Justice Department and the FBI for their budget fluffing over a bomber who stayed on the loose for 14 years. Wonders never cease.

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    52. Re:I'm shocked by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

      Your point is a good one. Tumblr will *give* you 100 small images, most of which you never look at or are even aware of . Yet the internet being what it is, they are somehow "on"your computer. What if one of them is illegal ? Is everyone who stumbles on that Tumblr somehow guilty of something? Ditto Pinterest and all of the other photo-blog sites. That can't possibly be the criteria because then everyone who lands one those sites is insta-guilty. Given the internet and the content and linked in-ness of Tumblr that could come to include a high percentage of males under age 60. Porn is the single biggest driver of web traffic and it's not just the current "corrupted" generation with porn on it's mind - porn absolutely and overwhelmingly drove the uptake of the earliest photography.

      They didn't release the details but one *assumes* that these are hard core nasty images of clearly underage individuals in what is clearly a sexual act and that these images were specifically sought after by the guy and consciously transmitted by the guy to another party who knew what they were also. People doing that should expect what they get.

      Here's another thing. This is the second case in memory where a national security case was linked to a child porn case, the first one being the case of Scott Ridder. You would think that people involved in national security would understand that you're never anonymous online in any real sense ever if you try to disguise your IP or use a pseudonym or Tor or whatever. Most people you see arrested on TV for this crime appear to be low life ignoramuses. So how can these sophisticates possibly involve themselves with something they know they are definitely going to get caught doing ? In this case this guy got more time for the child porn than the leak.

       

    53. Re:I'm shocked by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. he did it because he could do it and for no other reason. This is not about whistle blowing. It's about making yourself the center of attention, making yourself *somebody* and possibly, we don't know, getting back at your employer.

    54. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There was no "whistleblowing" here that I can see. His disclosure compromised field agents, and could have done real harm. He was apparently just leaking classified info for his own benefit. This guy was not a Snowden, or even a Manning.

      my horror comes from the fact that an fbi agent who leaks classified data that compromises specific field agents, and does so for his own gain, with no whistleblowing cover (a la Snowden & Manning) gets 3.75ish years, when Manning, an actual whistleblower get 9 million times the punishment.

      Now, in true /. style, I have not R-the-Fing-A, but it sounds to me like the major difference in this case is that the leaked info wasn't damaging to the administration's public/international persona. Are you telling me that's not something to be horrified about??

    55. Re: I'm shocked by perceptual.cyclotron · · Score: 1

      Also, why would anyone think that you would hear about political dissidents being jailed arbitrarily? The media ain't too fond of dissidents either. But believe me, if you're part of the wrong ideology they'll get a warrant to raid your house for books and put you in front of a secret tribunal...

    56. Re: I'm shocked by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Most of the high level posts are lifetime posts placed there during Bush Sr and Jr, and that was just MY interpretation, she believes it may be a purposeful leak to create a chilling effect...which if it is one has to give them credit as I know I have spoken to many customers who are now afraid to even say a political leader sucks online for fear of being on a list. Remember the STASI had less than 10% of the population under their watch but had near total obedience thanks to the chilling effect.

      I do however find it ironic that I was modded down for merely saying this topic should be discussed, considering how many blatant shills we've had here of late I find it ironic that on the subject of whether we should discuss even the possibility that the government MIGHT be involved somebody is trying to make sure the post isn't seen.

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    57. Re: I'm shocked by Crosshair84 · · Score: 1

      That may be true, but to offer a counterpoint, the STASI couldn't stop the illegal drug trade within its borders any better than we could. The problem then is the same as now. You can gather all the data you want, but faster computers can't tell you what's important. You need analysts to process the possible matches and the more noise you add to the system the less effective they are as they chase down dead ends.

      What REALLY kept the population in line was keeping their citizens by and large ignorant of what things were like in the west. Glasnost sped up the demise of the Soviet Union as knowledge of Western living standards made the population increasingly intolerant of the shortages the Soviet system produced.

      People in the US today don't really care much because the welfare state is still more-or-less functioning. Once the government is forced to default on Social Security and the rest of the welfare state once the world stops propping up the US economy people will again become intolerant of the governments actions.

    58. Re:I'm shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well spoken

  2. Congrats Obama! by the_scoots · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Way to go on that transparency and leaker protection thing you so loved.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9GSBT_-JoQ

    1. Re:Congrats Obama! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thats an impressive clip. Two minutes of promises and I'm not sure a single one of them has been kept.

      No lobbyist in administration
      No corporate welfare pork barrel spending
      Posting bills for 5 days for comments before signing them
      Meetings between lobbyst and administration publically shown
      All tax breaks/subsidies for business publically listed

      So are people who called him a liar when he made that speech still racists?
      "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltare

    2. Re:Congrats Obama! by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 0

      Thats an impressive clip. Two minutes of promises and I'm not sure a single one of them has been kept.

      So are people who called him a liar when he made that speech still racists?
      "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltare

      Yes, of course they/you/we are. What a silly question.

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    3. Re:Congrats Obama! by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      He traded child pornography on numerous occasions with someone online. Both of whom were caught and pled guilty. They probably found evidence in their investigation which linked him to the leaks. These links weren't exposing wrong doing or malfeasance they were just straight up classified leaks that could expose undercover agents. It's believed he leaked them for monetary gain not even any noble patriotism. That's not a whistleblower, that's a pedophile who got caught selling classified documents.

    4. Re:Congrats Obama! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting AC cause it isn't my actual opinion and I'm sure I'd get down modded for it....

      What if this was Obama's plan all along?
      1. Try to bring the US to transparency by normal means.. Get blackmailed: fail.
      2. Find a bunch of good civil servants and convince them privately to disclose everything possible even at risk of jail.
      3. Act indignant and demand harsh punishment so he doesn't get implicated.
      4. Make minor changes as per his masters demands. (PR)
      5. Wake up enough people as to the problems.
      6. Hope that the next president has better luck.

      All part of the big master plan. I only say this as a possibility because I liked him as a candidate, but consider him awful now.

    5. Re:Congrats Obama! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      First, the only entity claiming he had child porn was the US government. All the supposed evidence was put forth by the US government.
      That pretty much rules it all null and void and is automatically considered a lie.
      Someone needs to present at least ONE piece of untainted evidence if this claim is to be shown the slightest bit possible.

      Second, it was the US government that endangered these peoples lives.
      They purposely and knowingly went through all the actions that everyone knows will result in not being believed, aka the crying wolf syndrome.

      Your government murdered these men and is blaming others for their actions.
      Your government has piles of child porn on hand to leave laying around to frame others with.

      Not only does it take more than their word to show otherwise, but their word actively harms their claims now. That is the world they created and must live in now.

    6. Re:Congrats Obama! by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      What a fortunate coincidence for the prosecutors that someone leaking information just happened to be into child pron.

  3. Why is he guilty when he should be a hero? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What ever happened to the whistleblower act? He should have immunity over this. Clearly the government has lost their mind and have gone completely tyrannical. Did you know that just last week the feds now told the police that anyone that there may be more to 9/11 than what meets the eye, like believing in WTC7 means that they're probably a terrorist? Using VPN, proxies, encryption, storing food for more than 5-days are other reasons as well. Every month new possibilities come up and anything we say online, on the phone, or over the radio can and will be used against us if we're deemed a threat to the government. In other words, the government doesn't give a shit about us, it's all about THEIR better interest. Whether you believe in any whistleblower or not of the past decade isn't what matters, what matters is the result of calling out your government for doing something illegal and then getting arrested that matters. This is a BIG problem and why people should be concerned. Next, your visitation to the therapist or doctor could be a reason for you to not bare arms or even be arrested as a suspected terrorist because quite frankly EVERYONE is a suspect at this point. But you know what they say, if everyone else is a suspect, there's a possibility that you're the one who's the real suspect, and quite frankly I think we can all agree that the government is the real terrorist, trying to scare the living crap out of people and telling them what to do "or else". /rant

    1. Re:Why is he guilty when he should be a hero? by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

      Score 1 currently and yet nail on head.

    2. Re:Why is he guilty when he should be a hero? by flimflammer · · Score: 2

      Do you actually know the purpose of whistleblowing laws? You think it is designed to protect people who leak random classified information of no consequence to the law?

    3. Re:Why is he guilty when he should be a hero? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Yes, I know the purpose of the whistleblower protection act. Let me quote it for you.

      "The Whistleblower Protection Act of 1989, Pub.L. 101-12 as amended, is a United States federal law that protects federal whistleblowers who work for the government and report agency misconduct. A federal agency violates the Whistleblower Protection Act if agency authorities take (or threaten to take) retaliatory personnel action against any employee or applicant because of disclosure of information by that employee or applicant. Whistleblowers may file complaints that they believe reasonably evidences a violation of a law, rule or regulation; gross mismanagement; gross waste of funds; an abuse of authority; or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety."

      Now you're telling me that what was leaked is random classified information? Please... Cry me a river. We need a lot MORE transparency but this administration did the complete opposite of delivering it regardless of its promises to create it. You sound very ill informed and need a good lesson on what's going on in the US. When you're done, please come back and state your arguments again if they still apply. The government gets caught doing something illegal and the whistle-blowers are the ones going to prison. Who's the real criminal here? Who cares if the leak contains super classified information even if it has battle tactics, if the government doesn't want to be responsible then they don't deserve to use them in secrecy. Same with whatever else they do. They work for US not the other way around.

    4. Re:Why is he guilty when he should be a hero? by blackraven14250 · · Score: 2

      Where was he leaking information that fell under any of those categories?

    5. Re:Why is he guilty when he should be a hero? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you actually know the purpose of whistleblowing laws? You think it is designed to protect people who leak random classified information of no consequence to the law?

      Yes, I happen to know exactly what the whistleblower laws are for.

      The real question, is does our government actually know the purpose of the Constitution of the United States? How about the Bill of Rights? Due Process ring a bell? I swore I remember having to learn about all that shit that just to receive a high school diploma in this country, and yet I find no evidence exists.

      We have a hell of a lot more egregious violations going on here. Perhaps we should start looking at the reason whistleblowers (or whatever you want to label them, our government prefers "terrorist") are coming out of the woodwork left and right. Then again, that is the issue our government refuses to address, which is obvious by their defensive actions.

    6. Re:Why is he guilty when he should be a hero? by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      You can't use irrelevant laws in your search for greater government transparency. That would make you no better than the government using laws to keep its people down.

    7. Re:Why is he guilty when he should be a hero? by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

      How is this guy a whistle blower? What illegal activity or wasteful on the government's part did he reveal? Because that's the definition of a whistle blower in the law. an you substantiate you claim that he's a whistle blower?

      On your other point, the production of universal guilt coupled with selective enforcement is the functional equivalent to 8no law at all*, since the only thing keeping your head of f the block is the will of the government of the king, i.e. a nation of men and not a nation of laws.

      But where is the evidence that this is now the case? I agree that we are overcriminalizing speech or at least over reacting to vague online cries of angst or anger , but how is law enforcement supposed to know how seriously to take any of those? Because they WILL be blamed if the person goes on to DO something. In this case, It's not my impression that they relish going after the errant Twitterer , much less they're trying to produce a kind of universal intimidation, but that they're in a no win situation if they don't act.

      Looked at in this way, law enforcement can't LEAD us to, we need to set the boundaries we find acceptable. We need to more explicitly lay out what is and what is not OK to say . Then they can be guided in their actions by those parameters.

      A significant shift has taken place in our culture with respect to speech. What was once beers-in-the-kitchen talk amongst like minded people who knew each other well is now posted for everyone in the world to hear. Different communities of listeners will *hear* what's said differently. Specifically adolescent male bravado and adult hyperbole is shocking to a lot of people who don't *get* it. One of those people complain and now what are the cops supposed to do? They HAVE to err on the side of caution because it what we've told them to do implicitly by punishing them for not acting.

      It's just one of the many places our previously unconscious mores are being challenged as insufficient for the internet age. We need to make the boundaries more explicit. It's up to us, because the NSA and law enforcement won't and can't lead.

      I actually had sympathy for Hayden when he said wherever you put the box, I am am going to go right to that boxes boundaries. That is honest speech. 30k people die by gunshot every year int he US and another 30k in auto accidents. While we think these things are tragedies, we don't feel like these things represent paralyzing mortal dangers. So if you think that law enforcement or the NSA is overachieving in trying to keep us safe, then say that to your Congresscritter. Talk about what is not acceptable even given severe consequences. Is losing a city to suitcase nuke something you're willing to take the chance on if it means no one is sotring your emails?

      I am not being snarky here in the least, I am being completely serious.It's up to the people of a nation to decide what their collective value system is. Before the internet ate all forms of human communication, before the widespread knowledge of how to *do* stuff, including bad stuff, before the world was such a small place, our unconscious notion that law enforcement should work as hard as technically possible to prevent any and all bad things from happening wasn't a problem. Now perhaps we need to consciously look at that unconscious value system that has served us pretty well. But if all we do is throw around accusations at each other and officialdom , making some of us Good Guys and others of us Bad Guys we're not going to really get anywhere.

      The government is not out to just willy nilly repress and destroy you because it's filled with Stalin-esque mad men. That's a possible world, it is, but it is not our current world, not the in the US.

      When was the last time you sat down and read a book on national security and made an effort to make explicit what your own value system is in this regard? People viscerally react to what rubs them the wrong with without regard to what other very real forces are at play.

      Maybe you know exac

  4. Priorities by FuzzNugget · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They're pissed about the press leaks and out for blood, so he gets the longest ever sentence for leaking classified information.

    But the kiddie porn charges? Nah, just pay a fine.

    Wow.

    1. Re:Priorities by subsoniq · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the FBI press release abut the guilty plea on possession of child porn:

      According to Assistant U.S. Attorney Steven D. DeBrota, who is prosecuting the case for the government, Sachtleben could face five to 20 years in prison for the distribution charge and up to 10 years for the possession charge. Both charges also carry up to a $250,000 fine and lifetime supervised release if he is found to be guilty.

    2. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're pissed about the press leaks and out for blood, so he gets the longest ever sentence for leaking classified information.

      But the kiddie porn charges? Nah, just pay a fine.

      Wow.

      Please. The kiddie porn charges were to merely get him to enter a plea and move this along.

      Doesn't take a card-carrying FBI agent to Scooby Doo that bullshit. It's called a pressure point, and a rather effective one too, as you can see.

    3. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not marked insightful +5 because even after explaining it to them. They just don't get it.

    4. Re:Priorities by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But the kiddie porn charges? Nah, just pay a fine.

      I'll bet that if you could get a look at the actual evidence, you'd find that the kiddie porn thing is BS.

      If the government wants to pressure you to do something, that kind of blackmail is at the top of the hit list of their favorite moves.

      I guarantee you will never hear of a whistleblower and not hear shortly thereafter the words "kiddie porn" or "rape" or a whole basket of smears.

      See, the NSA couldn't do the kiddie porn or rape thing with Ed Snowden, because that might hurt their nice cozy contract the private intelligence firm Snowden worked for. But they still did their best to smear every detail of his life. Reading Bart Gellman's profile in the Washington Post is a revelation for anyone who has gotten their notions about Snowden from the usual royal court stenographers in the media.

      The entire security/intelligence apparatus of the United States stinks to high heaven. They're doing the kind of things that anyone who grew up in, or spent time in, Soviet satellite countries would recognize right away.

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    5. Re:Priorities by BitterOak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From the FBI press release abut the guilty plea on possession of child porn: According to Assistant U.S. Attorney Steven D. DeBrota, who is prosecuting the case for the government, Sachtleben could face five to 20 years in prison for the distribution charge and up to 10 years for the possession charge. Both charges also carry up to a $250,000 fine and lifetime supervised release if he is found to be guilty.

      Does anyone besides me think it's ridiculous that a person can get 10 years in prison for possession of a JPEG image on his computer?

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    6. Re:Priorities by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      They're pissed about the press leaks and out for blood, so he gets the longest ever sentence for leaking classified information.

      But the kiddie porn charges? Nah, just pay a fine.

      Wow.

      Please. The kiddie porn charges were to merely get him to enter a plea and move this along.

      Doesn't take a card-carrying FBI agent to Scooby Doo that bullshit. It's called a pressure point, and a rather effective one too, as you can see.

      And he would have got away with it to if it hadn't been for those meddling kids!

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    7. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think that's bad, wait until you hear what the MAFIAA does with mp3's and mp4's. You'll be lucky if your anus is still intact.

    8. Re:Priorities by GumphMaster · · Score: 2

      Does anyone besides me think it's ridiculous that a person can get 10 years in prison for possession of a JPEG image on his computer?

      Probably. However, that is the upper bound of sentencing available to the judge; tempered by the facts of the case and offender, not a mandatory sentence, and probably not even a typical sentence.

      It is, however, not just a JPEG ( I would be surprised if cases before the courts hinged on a single JPEG). The image is evidence of of crime and pattern of behaviour that few societies, including prison societies, will tolerate. Sure, the possessor might not have perpetrated the original child-abuse crime but at the very best they are ignoring it and allowing it to continue.

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    9. Re:Priorities by ThatAblaze · · Score: 1

      (almost) No one is listening when the government says Snowden is a bad guy. Any government would say something like that in this situation. No one I know cares or gets emotional about it. That would be like getting mad at a parakeet for chirping all day long.

    10. Re:Priorities by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      No it is not cridiculous. It is a very convenient way to remove an opponent...

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    11. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is this supposed to make me think with my feelings instead of my brain?
      What if there were no pictures but the gang-rape happened anyway. Would everything be fine and dandy then?

      No, the problem is that people can't differ between committing an action and the documenting thereof.
      10 years in prison for a rapist, fine. 10 years in prison for possessing a picture of the action while not otherwise taking part thereof, that is excessive.

      This will never change as long as people show up to defend such a skewed system.
      Please change your opinions, you are one of the reasons out legal system doesn't work.

    12. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pattern of behaviour that few societies will tolerate

      It was no big deal anywhere until the 60s, when prudish 'Murica went all Maude Flanders on it.

    13. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was living in one of those Soviet satellite countries and I am afraid that USA (and to high level other western countries) is about half way to become as oppressive as commie regimes in these countries in late 80s - I'll give it another 15-20 years.
      The horror is it wont stop there. With the increasing surveillance capabilities it will go all the way to North Korea status.
      Spying and blackmailing is the most effective tool to terrorize the citizens. Even if you are a superhero and you don not mind to be threatened by imprisonment or ruining your own life, there are other methods (one popular and very disgusting commie trick was to threaten to deny your children high level education).

      The Surveillance is THE SINGLE BIGGEST danger to democracy because once it exceeds a certain threshold then there might not be a way back for centuries - if ever until humanity destroys itself.

    14. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The problem is that this topic is emotionally-charged making people think it's okay to ruin someone's life over something like this. This could include drug possession, pirated media (software, movies, TV shows, etc.), etc.

      The laws seem abused and out of control. It's my opinion that the criminal justice system should be rehabilitation-focused. (One of the first things we should do is ban private prisons. Also, we should mandate a minimum wage for prisoners if they do work out-of-house". Just two examples: Laundry=in-house. Picking-up-litter-along-highway=out-of-house.)

      What if we were to limit non-distribution possession penalties to being a 1-year-max misdemeanor? But also require psychological counseling if applicable. (Probably not applicable to pirated media.)

      Even bad people are still people, and just because they do bad things doesn't mean their life should be ruined. Nor does it mean they should get away with the criminal act they are accused of doing.

      We should focus more efforts on those distributing and/or creating the illegal material, whether it's this, drugs or pirated media.

      From what I gather, it sounds like he is accused of not only possessing it, but also distributing it. Whether this is true, not sure. It could have been planted.

    15. Re:Priorities by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      ... or meddling with those kids.

    16. Re:Priorities by nbritton · · Score: 1

      You don't need to look at the evidence, the story the DoJ gave is as follows:

      "According to the criminal complaint filed one year ago, federal and state investigators became aware of an individual trading images of child pornography online in September 2010. An extensive investigation into that individual led to the arrest of a defendant in Illinois in January 2012. Upon arrest, a forensic search of that defendant’s computer equipment and e-mail accounts allegedly revealed that he had been actively trading the explicit materials online with numerous other people.

      Based on that information, law enforcement were able to trace the alleged online activity to Sachtleben’s home in Carmel. After conducting surveillance over a period of days, a search warrant was obtained on May 3, 2012, and was subsequently executed by law enforcement officers from the Indiana State Police and the FBI Cyber Crime Task Force."

      And here is the quote from the other article:

      "A story by the Associated Press in May 2012 described a U.S. operation in Yemen to foil a plot to bomb an airliner. The AP said it delayed publishing the story at the request of government officials until security concerns were allayed, but U.S. officials said the leak compromised a U.S. agent working to undermine the Islamic militant group al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

      Two months later, Attorney General Eric Holder appointed a senior prosecutor to lead an investigation."

      It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. It was justification for the raid and leverage, ex post facto. He had security clearance and knew unauthorized disclosure would be a criminal offense, so what compelled him to disclose this to the news? There is more to this story then they're telling us...

    17. Re:Priorities by sjames · · Score: 1

      He said possession, you're talking about distribution and being an accessory to rape.

    18. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other possibility is he was trying to graymail the government over the childporn, however that doesn't completely add up ether. Who investigates the investigators?

    19. Re:Priorities by nbritton · · Score: 1

      A dog bone is enough to support probable cause for murder, and unless you prove otherwise you would be convicted too. Our system of law is broken, the problem is prosecutorial immunity. One possible solution is to award treble damages (court costs, legal fees, etc.) upon acquittal.

    20. Re:Priorities by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      Hey, someone has a topless picture of a female who is a "child" of 17 years, 364 days, and if the prosecutor wants to get them they'll be prosecuted for "child pron". The sort of extreme situation you mention should be prosecuted severely, but often, and especially in a case like this where the prosecution has an agenda to pursue, people will be charged with "child pron" for the mildest and most borderline offenses. Even if the law only allows for a lesser penalty, the victim (oops, I mean perpetrator) will be publicly smeared with the "child pronographer" label, and probably required to register as a sex offender. Even worse, many of these laws are of the strict liability variety. That means that intent, or even due diligence, are no defense. Download that topless picture labelled "hot 18 y.o.", and if she's 17 years, 364 days, you're guilty.

      Like the vast majority of people, I'm all for zealously prosecuting real child pron, but we have an out of control legal system where a 16 y.o. girl is charged w/ distributing child pron for sexting her boyfriend a topless pic of herself. Pull off her shirt in front of him and it's fine. In some states it's even legal for her to do it in public. Send a pic though and she's a criminal.

      Not only does this lead to political, or just plain silly, prosecutions, it also detracts from prosecuting real child pron.

    21. Re:Priorities by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      There is more to this story then they're telling us...

      You bet there is. That's my point.

      And just the words "kiddie porn" are enough to end all discussion. I wonder what this "kiddie porn" actually was.

      Remember, we've learned recently about the FBI "backfilling" evidence and acquiring evidence by one means but then pretending they got something else, elsewhere.

      Yes, there's more to this story.

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    22. Re:Priorities by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The Surveillance is THE SINGLE BIGGEST danger to democracy because once it exceeds a certain threshold then there might not be a way back for centuries

      That's the truth.

      Some of my liberal loyalist friends tell me, "But look at the progress we've made on gay marriage and women's rights" and I try to tell them those things won't mean a thing if privacy is forever made impossible.

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    23. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, someone has a topless picture of a female who is a "child" of 17 years, 364 days, and if the prosecutor wants to get them they'll be prosecuted for "child pron".

      Except for the fact that 'simple nudity' is not considered porn. Hell, the movie American Beauty had a scene of a topless Thora Birch, and she was underage. Her parents had to agree to it, and I think they had to sign a waiver for it.

      So, NO, topless 17 year old standing there is not "kiddie porn". Topless 17 year old giving oral sex is "kiddie porn". And the article isn't talking about someone who is 1 day shy of being 18.

    24. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone besides me think it's ridiculous that a person can get 10 years in prison for possession of a JPEG image on his computer?

      yes. yes I do.

      Especially when large numbers of jpegs can be dropped on practically any user pc on the net by any given botnet. I'm willing to bet (with no actual numbers to back me up) that the child porn dragnet catches as many clueless Windows users as it does actual child predators. It'd be interesting to see the real numbers...

    25. Re:Priorities by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

      Do you know for a fact, you can site cases that anything you said is true? It sounds to me like this is your fear, but where is the case of the person prosecuted in the manner and for the reason you describe? Not saying it's not true, just asking for real facts.

    26. Re:Priorities by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1
      Actually, SCOTUS says that there doesn't even need to be nudity for it to be pornography, it only needs to be suggestive.

      http://openjurist.org/32/f3d/733

      [...blah blah blah...]We hold that the federal child pornography statute, on its face, contains no nudity or discernibility requirement, that non-nude visual depictions, such as the ones contained in this record, can qualify as lascivious exhibitions, and that this construction does not render the statute unconstitutionally overbroad.[...]

      So pack the jury with radicals and get that uncovered face considered obscene and you've got a conviction! Or, considering that they don't see the images in question, do you even have to do that?

  5. What restitution? by guises · · Score: 2

    The idea behind restitution is to make whole someone who has been injured or caused some loss by another's actions. Unless this is a copyright issue, I don't see how possessing or distributing child pornography could be associated with any kind of monetary restitution. Creation of child pornography perhaps - the child could claim some trauma or, maybe at the outside, damage to their reputation. This doesn't make any sense though.

    1. Re:What restitution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's literally the new voodoo. Every time someone looks at a picture of a naked kid, it hurts them. Just like sticking needles in a straw doll.

      Posting AC because it's fucking retarded but anyone who points out this emperor is wearing no clothes must be a hellbound kiddy fiddler. Is the emperor a little kid?

    2. Re:What restitution? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      I don't see how possessing or distributing child pornography could be associated with any kind of monetary restitution. Creation of child pornography perhaps

      The restitution goes to a kid in one of the pictures he was distributing. Maybe not 100% fair, but there's nothing fair about that situation.

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    3. Re:What restitution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup.

      Besides voodoo, that every time you look at a picture of a naked kid you psychically rape them again, if you say the word 'nigger' and a Black hears it, the Black falls victim to 'stereotype threat' and loses 15 IQ points.

      No, really, look it up.

      There are studies to prove that stereotype threat exists. Furthermore, if you express the opinion that stereotype threat does not exist, you're suspected of maybe being the kind of person who casts that spell yourself. It's literally illegal to knowingly employ someone who is known to cast the spell. Just ask Anil Dash how he got Pax Dickinson fired.

      Voodoo. Hexes. Progressives have had at least the last 50 years to remake the West into a utopia according to scientific principles. They still claim that "reality has a liberal bias".

    4. Re:What restitution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This thread is taking a weird twist. Just want to point out that Anil Dash can't have been an easy name to go to school with.

    5. Re:What restitution? by girlintraining · · Score: 2

      The restitution goes to a kid in one of the pictures he was distributing. Maybe not 100% fair, but there's nothing fair about that situation.

      I would be wary of the situation. Firstly, what the courts accept as child pornography can be seriously out of balance with what the average person would consider it as. Parents have been convicted of taking pictures of their children playing in the bathtub to send to family members. Most families have taken pictures of their young children in the nude, and this is not sexual in any way for them. So be very careful taking any charge or conviction of a sexual nature at face value. People have been put on sex offender registries for taking a drunken piss in the bushes. And then there's teenagers having sex; Something I think most of us will admit we did, but that can seriously ruin someone's life due to poorly worded or draconian "for the children" legislation.

      I guess my point is... there are plenty of examples where a fine is purely punitive, and there is, in actuality, no victim. Is that the case here? I don't know; It's not like the article provides sufficient detail. And this all ignores the thorny issue of how this 'child porn' charge is claimed to be unrelated, yet turns up over the course of an investigation into leaking of classified information and then makes it into the popular press. It is a suspect situation to say the least. And the entire plea bargaining system is hopelessly corrupt -- they typically trump up the charges so much that you could be looking at 300 years in the electric chair because they've taken a single criminal act and turned it into thirty different felonies.

      Most cases don't go to trial, not because the defense has no merit, but because the defense browns its pants due to the enormity of what it's being charged with and decides taking a plea deal that's a tiny fraction of what they're being charged with is reasonable even if they aren't guilty. Any public defender will tell you the legal system is a crap shoot. Sometimes you get justice, but there's a lot of innocent people in jail, victims of racial profiling, or for simply "looking guilty" to the jury. All of these considerations means that what's stated in the press release can safely be assumed to not be enough to form any conclusion about the person's guilt or innocence.

      And in cases like this, doubly so because the political pressure is so great; One of the first things they teach you in psychological warfare is to discredit your detractors. If someone leaks government information, you have to destroy their credibility. Nothing kills credibility like an accusation of child porn, rape, etc. You'll notice that many of the people who have been accused of leaking classified information have been later accused of sexual impropriety; This is statistically very improbable.

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    6. Re:What restitution? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You'll notice that many of the people who have been accused of leaking classified information have been later accused of sexual impropriety; This is statistically very improbable.

      Are you so sure?

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    7. Re:What restitution? by girlintraining · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Are you so sure?

      Julian Assange was accused of rape. Bradley Manning was outed as a transsexual. Tons of diplomatic cables were released by Wikipedia, showing that our diplomats overseas are horny toads. The list goes on. Accusing people of sexual impropriety has long been used as a means of discrediting people, or for blackmail purposes. Being gay, until recently, was a reason to disqualify someone from holding a high level security clearance in this country. Bill Clinton's fall from grace over the Monica Lewinsky affair. And how many Republicans have been caught in public restrooms doing, achem, decidedly gay things while supporting decidedly anti-gay legislation?

      Any woman will tell you sex is a weapon; Only men need convincing of this. And if you read the accusations that follow leaks like this, you will tend to notice that a discussion of the person's sexual past and present come up with startling regularity, and invariably cast as deviant, abnormal, etc. Now, whether this is actually the case, or just the mental acrobatics of a sexually repressed society... I'll leave that one for the reader to figure out.

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    8. Re:What restitution? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I'm just wondering why you think it's statistically improbable. Seems there are plenty of people like that.

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    9. Re:What restitution? by guises · · Score: 1

      This is just so... girlintraining makes an argument that accusations of rape and sexual impropriety are bizarrely common among whistleblowers, and provides examples such accusations. Your response is: "Well, looks like you've shown that lots of people are being accused of rape and sexual impropriety. So it can't really be out of the ordinary, can it?"

    10. Re:What restitution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the list, diplomats overseas, Bill Clinton, and many Republicans aren't whistleblowers. And Chelsea Manning wasn't accused of "sexual impropriety", she came out as transgender. So girlintraining's list in fact consists of one whistleblower example, Assange.

    11. Re:What restitution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accusations of sexual impropriety were common practice when I was in the military in the early 90's. Lower ranking people would be accused of homosexuality if they were out of favor in the eyes of the leadership. Meanwhile, lower ranking enlisted would spread rumors of higher-ranking enlisted and officers of engaging in wife-swapping parties.

      This is reflected in the national scene as well. Reagan instituted anti-adultry laws in the UCMJ, and many lower ranking military accused or suspected of malfeasance or misfeasance were also accused of homosexuality just to spice-up the accusation, or in the words of girlintraining, using sex as a weapon.

    12. Re:What restitution? by swb · · Score: 1

      People who are inclined to be whistleblowers are probably people who are independent minded and who reject groupthink and default acceptance of mainstream opinions and attitudes.

      It would not be surprising if this carried over into other areas of life, including sexuality. In the case of marginalized persons (ie, homosexuals), the fact that their starting point is outside the mainstream may actually contribute to a rejection of local authority and a desire to be a whistleblower. It's not their sexuality per se but the fact that they aren't socially part of the "mainstream".

      Of course when caught, it's turned around -- they are deviant persons BECAUSE of their sexuality and the whistleblowing is just another deviate behavior.

    13. Re:What restitution? by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      From the list, diplomats overseas, Bill Clinton, and many Republicans aren't whistleblowers. And Chelsea Manning wasn't accused of "sexual impropriety", she came out as transgender. So girlintraining's list in fact consists of one whistleblower example, Assange.

      You're being obtuse. The point is that allegations of sexual impropriety, or at least not universally accepted proclivities, are used to cast doubt about, or outright smear, people for political reasons. Whistleblowers are but one category of people who have political enemies. You don't think the president has political enemies?

    14. Re:What restitution? by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      That's idle speculation at best. I could also argue that people who are out of the mainstream, but not visibly, usually do anything and everything to avoid drawing attention to it. Back when homosexuals had to stay in the closet, they usually did anything and everything to avoid being outed. In some cases that went as far as marrying a woman to "prove" their heterosexuality.

    15. Re:What restitution? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You're obtuse? At least try to respond to the argument I'm making.

      Lots of people are 'sexual deviants.' So it's not surprising that a lot of people who get caught also have something 'unusual' like that.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  6. As w/ Freedom Hosting, the feds planted child porn by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    Maybe this is a more common tactic than I thought.

  7. Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's become a standard responce by the state security apparatus to smear whistleblowers with kiddie porn charges.

    "As part of a plea agreement filed in U.S. District Court in Indiana, Donald John Sachtleben agreed to a prison sentence of three years and seven months for the leak"

    "Sachtleben could face five to 20 years in prison for the distribution charge and up to 10 years for the possession charge"

    1. Re:Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      It does seem that way. Before you leak, destroy all your storage media lest you find unexpected photos appearing on them.

      --
      I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
    2. Re:Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It's become a standard responce by the state security apparatus to smear whistleblowers with kiddie porn charges.

      Who can blame them? It works. Anyone who disagrees with these procedures is a pedo/terrorist that's soft on drugs/crime. As long as we reelect the trash we put into office, I will continue to insist that this is the government we want... This is how majority rule works..

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    3. Re:Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or they're legit charges. I've spent a lot of years in the "state security apparatus" as an outlier. I have been deployed far, far forward, worked 'back office', cross assigned, etc. I will say that my experience with the FBI (never having worked for them, only with them) is that they are consummate professionals. I know they have politics like the rest of the community, but somehow they seemed to rise above it, even to their own detriment. This guy was likely really into his flavor of porn. The community at large, like it or not, is a microcosm of society. There is every flavor of criminal that slips past the interview process (and the pathetic 'box' (polygraph)). While it may seem en vogue to support any whistle blower that comes along, they are often doing what they do to cover for something else. I know that's not popular, but it is reality. Anyway, the FBI is by an large a good group of folks. Their leadership may suck at times and they may have some cosmic proportion failures to their credit, but I don't believe they're wrong on the prosecution of this fellow.

    4. Re:Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It does seem that way. Before you leak, destroy all your storage media lest you find unexpected photos appearing on them.

      If you do not have incriminating media or devices, one will be provided for you by the state.

    5. Re:Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the AC.

    6. Re:Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also leaked that they found porn in Bin Laden's compound. Why would they even tell us that if not to smear him and reduce the chance radical muslims would stand up to his assassination?

    7. Re:Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I will say that my experience with the FBI (never having worked for them, only with them) is that they are consummate professionals.

      Your comment may be sincere but I have news for you, there are things you have missed.

      The FBI lies on a regular basis on Form 302s, the FBI practices witness intimidation and this is a technique
      which is TAUGHT at the FBI Academy.

      The FBI complied files on people like John Lennon because politicians in power at the time viewed Lennon
      as a threat. Ask yourself this : what threat could John Lennon possibly have been, unless you wanted to
      have a war and you knew that war might not have popular approval ?

      The FBI is a tool of the state and it exists to ensure that the FBI and the state retain the power they have
      and gain more power as is desired. The FBI does not serve the average citizen any more than the Queen of
      England helps people get seated at Wembley Stadium.

      Like I said, your comment might be sincere and you might actually just be ignorant of how things really
      are, but there are too many examples to list here of conduct on the part of the FBI that is not ethical or honest
      or morally right. But as a mercenary you know that none of that matters when you're the one holding the gun,
      don't you ?

    8. Re:Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod funny, this comment fits perfectly in the discussion

    9. Re:Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy was an FBI agent, so make up your mind about whether they are consummate professionals or kiddie-porn planting purveyors of same.

    10. Re:Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      It does seem that way. Before you leak, destroy all your storage media lest you find unexpected photos appearing on them.

      If you do not have incriminating media or devices, one will be provided for you by the state.

      All part of the new government "transparency" initiative; "No Whistle-Blower Left Un-Smeared".

      I don't know why anyone should be surprised. If Vince Foster, Andrew Breitbart, Michael Hastings, etc etc, hasn't clued everyone in that the US government is amoral, corrupt, power-hungry, arrogant, and is more than willing to destroy or kill it's political opponents or anyone that threatens the continued growth of their power & control, I don't know what would.

      Do we need to see a US version of a "Final Solution"-type extermination/genocide program before people will finally allow themselves to wake up? (But, on the "plus" side, I did hear that the cattle-cars for those who go along and stay quiet now will be much nicer.)

      It may already be too late to halt the US' slide into a full-on police state. Neither major political party will halt it as they agree on about 99% of major issues with the exception of a few "hot-button" publicly-divisive issues for political cover and to keep people distracted, and the only other people out there actually protesting in a serious, sustained, and credible manner and attempting to do something about the destruction of civil rights are mocked by those in the MSM and here on /. as racists and nut-cases that want the US to become Somalia, buying the government propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

      God forbid the wrong lizard gets in, eh?

      Strat

      --
      Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
    11. Re:Whistleblowers and kiddie porn .. by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      While it may seem en vogue to support any whistle blower that comes along, they are often doing what they do to cover for something else.

      Leak documents in order to cover up your involvement in kiddie pron? That doesn't seem like a good strategy.

      the FBI is by an large a good group of folks

      Nothing in the suspicion that he's being smeared says otherwise. Most of the FBI is not involved in this case.

      Their leadership may suck at times

      That's the point. Nobody thinks this is a grass roots campaign from the FBI rank and file.

  8. Re:As w/ Freedom Hosting, the feds planted child p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Maybe this is a more common tactic than I thought".

    Usually they're found trussed-up dead in a sex-game gone wrong, but that one's become too well known from overuse. The kiddie-porn charge is to dissuade people from taking too close a look at the case, after all the FEDs would never knowingly lie about a case.

  9. Ah, the Child Porn manouever.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok Donald, here's how it goes.

    The longer it takes you to plead guilty, the more (and worse) "child porn" we'll find. Got it? Don't fuck around or we'll manuf^h^h^h^h^h find some rape victims too.

  10. Not A Saint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Did he leak info that uncovered government wrong doing? No. Did he leak info that showed corruption? No. Did he leak info to protect innocent victims from harm? No. Those would all be excellent and justifiable reasons to break his oath and provide information to outside sources. He was just being a moron.

    Not everyone who leaks information deserves protection or is a whistle blower.

    1. Re:Not A Saint by tlambert · · Score: 2

      Did he leak info that uncovered government wrong doing? No. Did he leak info that showed corruption? No. Did he leak info to protect innocent victims from harm? No. Those would all be excellent and justifiable reasons to break his oath and provide information to outside sources. He was just being a moron.

      Not everyone who leaks information deserves protection or is a whistle blower.

      Why did Bradley Manning get outed as a transexual, and Donald Sachtleben get outed as a trafficker in child pornography? Bradley Manning got first pick.

      Makes you wonder what Edward Snowden will have retroactively done to offend the religious right and justify a long prison sentence. You know, after he's extradited by the U.S. from a country with which the U.S. has no extradition treaty.

    2. Re:Not A Saint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did Bradley Manning get outed as a transexual, and Donald Sachtleben get outed as a trafficker in child pornography? Bradley Manning got first pick.

      Bradley (Chelsea) Manning, outed himself as a transexual. It actually appears he did what he did deliberately to get imprisoned so the federal government would have to pay for his expensive hormone replacement/gender reassignment "therapy".

      The guy is a kink, decides he's too kinky for the army, and hatches a plan to get the government to pay for his kinky fetish.

    3. Re:Not A Saint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bradley (Chelsea) Manning, outed himself as a transexual. It actually appears he did what he did deliberately to get imprisoned so the federal government would have to pay for his expensive hormone replacement/gender reassignment "therapy".

      Except the federal government doesn't do that, even if a few right wing nutjobs want to pretend it does.

    4. Re:Not A Saint by girlintraining · · Score: 2

      Did he leak info that uncovered government wrong doing? No. Did he leak info that showed corruption? No. Did he leak info to protect innocent victims from harm? No. Those would all be excellent and justifiable reasons to break his oath and provide information to outside sources.

      Yes, but not the only "excellent and justifiable" reasons to leak. For all the money we spend on the 'war on terror', it would be nice to occasionally hear from the front lines what the actual threats are. But we almost never do. We're simply told there are terrorists out there, and we have to spend tons of money and sacrifice our civil liberty, but we're rarely handed evidence to support this. It has to be taken on faith.

      Do you feel this is an acceptable state of affairs for a democratic country? The claim of 'national security' has been going on for over a decade now, and it's gotten to the point that we have CNN reporters standing outside commenting and speculating about why police cruisers and military convoys are coming and going out of an area, and the official word is... erm, nothing. We've had to guess so often at what's really going on that it's become a running joke for political satirists.

      Not everyone who leaks information deserves protection or is a whistle blower.

      No, but neither should the mere act of leaking information invoke charges of treason, decades in prison, etc. The value of the information and the actual harm caused by its release must also be taken into consideration. Here we have a case where the public was never made aware of the leak. Only a few reporters were, who promptly contacted the government and abided their wishes not to publish. The damage to operational security here was minimal. We do not punish people on the "what could have happened" scales, but on the "what did happen" scales of justice.

      Yet, when it comes to matters of national security (which is increasingly invoked for everything from senators being stopped for speeding to drug dealers handing out marijuana), we're not being told what's going on, nor is there much evidence that the punishment is at all in keeping with the actual harm caused. This is a problem, and while I'm not disagreeing that this guy should have kept is damn mouth shut, his opening it didn't cause much harm... he should have simply been fired, and perhaps spend a few months to a year at most in jail, or put on probation. Sometimes people are stupid... it doesn't mean they're a continuing threat to society, and that's the only reason we should ever consider imprisonment.

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    5. Re:Not A Saint by tlambert · · Score: 2

      Bradley (Chelsea) Manning, outed himself as a transexual. It actually appears he did what he did deliberately to get imprisoned so the federal government would have to pay for his expensive hormone replacement/gender reassignment "therapy".

      Except the federal government doesn't do that, even if a few right wing nutjobs want to pretend it does.

      Exactly. The 8th amendment decisions that apply to state and federal prisons, according to the U.S. Supreme Court, do NOT apply to military prisons, which are under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice), rather than the U.S. Constitution. So this was not the reason.

    6. Re:Not A Saint by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      Yes, but not the only "excellent and justifiable" reasons to leak. For all the money we spend on the 'war on terror', it would be nice to occasionally hear from the front lines what the actual threats are.

      So you're saying it's justifiable to leak legitimately classified information because it feels nice?

      . This is a problem, and while I'm not disagreeing that this guy should have kept is damn mouth shut, his opening it didn't cause much harm... he should have simply been fired, and perhaps spend a few months to a year at most in jail, or put on probation. Sometimes people are stupid... it doesn't mean they're a continuing threat to society, and that's the only reason we should ever consider imprisonment.

      Sometimes you make very insightful contributions to the discussion here. Your argument is incredibly silly, and obviously misinformed about this particular case.

      First, prison is used for deterrence or punishment in addition to preventing future harm. Murderers don't get to avoid prison just because they cut their hands off and promise to never do it again. This guy shouldn't get away with committing a serious crime just because we're not worried about him doing it again.

      Second, this piece of trash caused real harm. He compromised an active operation, which led to the revelation that the CIA had an agent in AQAP. I don't know whether anyone was hurt in response, but that's at least one asset we'll never be able to use again.

      --
      SWM seeks new sig for a brief fling
  11. Obama Terror War On Big Whitey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Summer was dismal in Obama's Terror War against the U.S.A., read "BIG WHITEY."

    Failure after failure after failure after failure.

    Both domestic and International with Putin outflanking Obama at every turn of the game.

    This win for Obama is like a 'Technical Score On Penalty' worth one point. ONE MEASLY POINT.

    That sum up the worth of Obama: One Measly Point.

    Never fear though as the Fall offers Obama such a failure terrain that has not been seen since Neapolitan's Army marched into Russia and Moscow in the winter of 1812! And that little fiasco gave birth to the 1812 Overture.

    Just think of it. The Destruction Of Obama Overture.

    Right Up the alley of the US National Symphony!

    QED

  12. Re:As w/ Freedom Hosting, the feds planted child p by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

    Holy shit, the FBI killed David Carradine?

  13. It's just a page from Machiavelli's "The Prince" - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Respect can be lost, but fear sticks around.

    And that is exactly what the sons of bitches who are behind the
    curtain ( the ones who pull the strings that make Obama move )
    are interested in : making sure Americans are terrified to speak
    out.

  14. Re:As w/ Freedom Hosting, the feds planted child p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You seem to have a very active fantasy life.

  15. Won't help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    NSA already has them from when you originally downloaded them. And NSA has no problem giving evidence to other agencies for criminal prosecution:

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/dea-and-nsa-team-intelligence-laundering

  16. So, apart from the Kiddie porn ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This Guy's a Hero?

  17. Re:As w/ Freedom Hosting, the feds planted child p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He pleaded guilty. Speaking for myself, I would NEVER plead guilty to such a heinous crime if the evidence were planted. I'd go to prison first.

    This guy was an FBI agent, so he's not a wallflower Aaron Swartz type.

  18. Re:It's just a page from Machiavelli's "The Prince by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

    And so the Anonymous Cowards protested. They rose up with their masks to protect their identity, and with picket signs of void pointers: Not even in white, for that could be misunderstood as flags of surrender, but unvoiced as transparencies instead. In silence they marched, unseen, all around us, always and forever. Not the heroes we need, but quantum superpositions of both the heroes we deserve and the ones that don't exist... The potential for great change -- A waveform never destined to collapse.

  19. As long as there are humans running the government by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 2

    rule of law is exactly the same as rule of man, just a couple more inconvenient steps.

  20. Re:It's just a page from Machiavelli's "The Prince by basecastula+ · · Score: 1

    Fueled by doobie?

  21. Re:It's just a page from Machiavelli's "The Prince by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your IP address has been recorded with this post and now the NSA will have you put on a no fly list enforced by TSA and copies forwarded to Israel.
    Also, we know you were saying something about child porn, therefore you are a ... you get the picture?

  22. Child Pornography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmm, now I see a use for the NSA backdoors in systems. Offend your masters and hey presto, you're paedophile and here's [uploading .... ] the evidence to prove it.

    1. Re:Child Pornography by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      No offense, but it's always been obvious that's a major purpose. As long as there's been snooping, it's been a major purpose. J. Edgar Hoover specialized in it.

  23. Re:As w/ Freedom Hosting, the feds planted child p by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

    Says the person posting anonymously...

  24. pedophile stuff loaded virus anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    read on:
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57595811-71/man-gets-fake-fbi-child-porn-alert-arrested-for-child-porn

  25. unauthorized national defense information. by nbritton · · Score: 2

    From the article:

    one count of unauthorized possession and retention of national defense information.

    What exactly does that mean? It's now a thought crime to know anything about national defense?

    1. Re:unauthorized national defense information. by alexo · · Score: 1

      Everything is a crime unless officially sanctioned by the government

  26. Whistleblowers are always sex offenders I guess by TWiTfan · · Score: 2

    I'm just surprised how whistleblowers and IMF chiefs who question the value of the U.S. dollar always turn out to be peodophiles and rapists. I would almost suspect that someone is setting them up on those charges in an attempt to discredit them in the public eye (and erode any support they may have for their whistleblowing). But that's just silly. Besides, the only one capable of pulling that off is our fine, noble, honest government. And they would surely never do anything like that.

    --
    The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
  27. The child porn charge is just a setup by TWiTfan · · Score: 1

    He's no more a pedophile than Julian Assange and Dominique Strauss-Kahn are rapists. That's just something they set you up on when they want to discredit you in the public eye, force you out of public office, and/or get you to talk.

    --
    The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
  28. Kiddie Porn charge must be crap by tekrat · · Score: 2

    Have you noticed that anyone the government doesn't like gets either a kiddie porn charge or a rape charge thrown against them? Meanwhile actual government contractors get away with rape, human trafficking and actual kiddie-porn & pedophilia with no consequences (DynCorp, Haliburton).

    The US government is very, very corrupt and run by some nasty-ass evil fucks. And I don't mean the "elected" officials, I mean the lobbyists who really run things.

    --
    If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
    1. Re:Kiddie Porn charge must be crap by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      And I don't mean the "elected" officials, I mean the lobbyists who really run things.

      I hate lobbyists as much as the next person, but who is going to lobby for this? This is politicians and appointed officials out to smear anyone who airs the government's dirty laundry.

  29. Re:As w/ Freedom Hosting, the feds planted child p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's wrong, are you bad with time?

    They had the Freedom Hosting server for like a month before the CP images were offlined and replaced with the error trojan, THEY EVEN SAID SO in that announcement they put up after it all happened.

  30. Re:It's just a page from Machiavelli's "The Prince by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "And that is exactly what the sons of bitches who are behind the curtain ( the ones who pull the strings that make Obama move ) are interested in : making sure Americans are terrified to speak out."

    What exactly are the puppet masters terrified about regarding national security leaks? If they were trying to oppress us wouldn't it be better to report every security incident, so that the public would demand TSA checkpoints at every door?

    What branch of government have you not found to be inept in some way? They knew about 9/11 ahead of time. Furthermore we mastered the, supposedly complex, implosion detonation of plutonium, 68 years ago, yet no other country or terrorist organizations can do this today? It's all propaganda... thank god are enemies are gullible.

  31. Obama by jeff13 · · Score: 1

    Well, yea but, how can we make this Obama's fault? ... oh wait.

  32. Re:As w/ Freedom Hosting, the feds planted child p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is your name really Tim, and are you English?

  33. Hurahh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad he did what he did, but NEVER plead guilty. ALWAYS remain silent, and exercise your right to a quick and speedy trial by Jury.

  34. Still alive unlike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.chrisnu.com/ftf/gal/ftf/Screenshot244.jpg

  35. Re:It's just a page from Machiavelli's "The Prince by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And so the Anonymous Cowards protested. They rose up with their masks to protect their identity ...

    The ACs have done more than you have, because they have at least
    taken the time to state their positions and some of them have made
    good points which help to illuminate the situation. All you've done is
    make smart remarks in a pathetic attempt to show us you are a clever boy.
    The key word in the previous statement is boy. As in : you have some maturing
    to do. Best put those stupid video games down and get started.

    .

  36. Re:As w/ Freedom Hosting, the feds planted child p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you know what the government does when they go after drug dealers? They buy and sell drugs with them.
    Do you know what the government does when they go after child pornographers? They exchange kiddie porn with them.

    Wow, how outrageous. The FBI kept a kiddie porn network open for a short while so they could get evidence on child pornographers and their clients, who willingly traded the photos/videos with them. Nothing was planted on anyone's computer. The FBI didn't release a virus that secretly downloaded the stuff. The people who were caught engaged in the activity of their own volition, simply not knowing that their secret network had been compromised.

    For this, you want me to feel sorry for the pornographers and pedophiles, and feel anger at the FBI. Why?

  37. Re:As w/ Freedom Hosting, the feds planted child p by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    FreedomHosting was targeted and attacked by the FBI within weeks of other secure email providers like LavaBit and Silent Circle, both of which chose to close shop rather than cooperate with the government in selling out their users. The FBI hacked FreedomHosting and planted malware on every one of its sites (regardless of legality) meant to snare those sites unknowing visitors with a javascript vulnerabilitry that targets a firefox TOR bundle. .
    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/14/0122218/fbi-admits-it-controlled-tor-servers-behind-mass-malware-attack

    You'd have to be blind, deaf and dumb to think this is about child porn, the legislator and executor's ultimate go-to excuse for any vindictive purpose. The NSA's OWN LEAKED DOCUMENT show child porn as a go-to excuse for cracking down on TOR.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jun/20/exhibit-b-nsa-procedures-document

    If that doesn't bother you, then congratulations! You are a king of sheep. You know what the government does when it needs a justification to go after terrorists? It creates terrorists by enabling them entirely, providing resources and motivation, and bringing them to the last step, only to then halt them and claim in the media a massive victory against the forces of terror. You should feel anger at the FBI--they targeted unknowing, innocent webgoers. Instead you side with the establishment. Why am I not surprised?

    Cold fjord, is that you?

  38. Re:As w/ Freedom Hosting, the feds planted child p by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    And why exactly would the FBI have needed to hack his network twice beforehand if they had a solid case on the guy? They could have just as well planted the child porn and then encouraged the guy to bargain in public. Nothing new there.
    yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/14/0122218/fbi-admits-it-controlled-tor-servers-behind-mass-malware-attack