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BBC Thinking of Canceling Sky At Night

Smivs writes "A year after veteran presenter Sir Patrick Moore died, the BBC are discussing pulling this iconic program. This has unleashed a torrent of criticism from fans of the monthly science-based astronomy show. There is an on-line petition for those who want to have their say."

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  1. Nooo!!! by rotaryexpress · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What a terrible loss that would be. The Sky at Night is a very unique show that is a geared to the amateur astronomer. Seriously BBC, what does it actually cost to have a program like this on late at night, once a month?

    1. Re:Nooo!!! by nojayuk · · Score: 5, Informative

      It costs very little to produce Sky at Night. I worked on the show doing computer graphics over a decade ago; there's an old joke about the official BBC tartan being "small checks" and I can attest to that. The schedule was one 15-minute show a month involving a two-man talking-heads format in a tiny cubbyhole studio plus an annual "spectacular" with Sir Patrick making a visit to, say, Meteor Crater or a famous observatory like Siding Springs. Each studio program took a day to record, maybe three days production, scripting etc. There wasn't much else the BBC produced that cost as little per show.

    2. Re:Nooo!!! by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seriously BBC, what does it actually cost to have a program like this on late at night, once a month?

      The fragile self esteem of network executives intimidated by science.

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    3. Re:Nooo!!! by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yep. The BBC isn't supposed to be chasing ratings, it was created to inform/educate* the public so this is exactly the sort of program the they're supposed to be producing. The low on budget, high on imagination approach has brought some truly great TV to the world. It also attracts people like Patrick Moore and David Attenborough who are in it for the passion, not the paycheck.

      [*] Yes, those are the exact words used in the BBC charter: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/about/how_we_govern/charter.pdf

      (nb. For the Americans: there's no adverts on the BBC so audience figures don't translate into profits).

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    4. Re:Nooo!!! by AlecC · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since the BBC makes its money from the license fee, not from advertising, it has no concept of "return" for a particular program. And, while viewer figures are not totally ignored, it is regarded as having some mandate to put on programs for minority groups not well catered for by commercial TV - such as, for example, amateur astronomers. On the other hand, TFA gives no idea what viewer figures actually are. If everybody has stopped watching after Moore died, it makes sense to drop the program. If viewer figures are holding up, it makes no more sense to drop it now than at any time over the past decades.

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  2. Great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, great idea. Let's clear the schedule for some more fucking reality TV.

    Fucking morons.

  3. Bad Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why not give the show to Prof. Brian Cox? He'd be brilliant and has a huge following and the admiration of young people. It would foster an interest in astronomy in a new audience for many years.

    1. Re:Bad Idea by clickclickdrone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What about Heather Couper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Couper/ ? She has form as a TV presenter and knows her stuff, to put it mildly.

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  4. This has been a long time coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Elements of the BBC has been trying to finish the Sky at Night program for many years. Back in the Year of Astronomy 2009, I was with a film crew interviewing him at his home, where he talked about the fight he has had keeping it going.

    Now he's gone, the knives are out. The program does not fit well within the BBC's output - it is a fact based program without stupid gimics or pointless 'celebrities'. Those celebs that do appear are (very) keen astronomers. It is a program format that works well for it's target audience - and it's an audience that is quite big. Every year the BBC (to their credit) organise a public astronomy event. This has proved very popular with families and individuals. My local astronomy society has seen an increase in members and enquiries whenever this event is on.

    The problem seems that although the program format works, it is seen to be 'old' - and as we all know, managers want change for change sake. They may talk about viewing numbers, but the program has been aired at different times - often edited to only 20 minutes.

    The BBC want it gone, despite Chris Lintott and Lucie Green doing an excellant job with it recently.

  5. Re:Abolish the licence fee by Tanaka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No thank you. If it weren't for the BBC, The Sky At Night, would never have even existed.
    If there was no BBC, all we would have to look forward to is wall to wall reality TV.

  6. Re:Abolish the licence fee by schizz69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The BBC is THE best broadcasting agency in the world. It has provided an outlet for so many different arts, science and cultural programs that would never have been made with out the public funding it receives and not tied to being a slave to advertising agencies and the wares they are trying to flog.

  7. Dont cancel it - fix it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the BBC badly need to do, is revert the show to its old format - one main presenter (e.g. Dr Lintott) expounding on Astronomy, plus *relevant* guest experts, and loose the current crop of b-list cabaret circuit comedians and fading celebs, who have infested the show like roaches over the past few years - if I wanted to see that lot, I'd be watching the One Show, sick bag in hand.

    Like a lot of other BBC sourced science programs (e.g. Horizon), Sky at Night has been dumbing down for some time, and, frankly, both the programme and the licence-fee payers deserve better.

  8. Re:Abolish the licence fee by Tanaka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What nonsense. BBC4?

    The BBC is so cheap for what you get. It has to cater for all tastes, so your not going to like everything.

  9. Re:Abolish the licence fee by captainpanic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes. The BBC may not be as good as people want them to be, but they are certainly better than all the other channels.

    All commercial channels first of all broadcast around 30-35% advertisements. Pure garbage.
    Secondly, many commercial shows repeat fragments throughout their shows - especially around the commercial breaks. More garbage.
    But most importantly, the BBC have a primary task to inform the public, whereas most other channels have a primary task to earn money.

    And I really like it that they allow quite some of their shows to be put on Youtube for the whole world to watch.

  10. In defence of the Beeb by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree that it is probably unwise for the BBC to compete too much with commercial channels. However, compared to what's on most of those commercial channels, the BBC remains a very different broadcaster with a much broader spectrum of programming. Of the major commercial alternatives, only Channel 4 comes anywhere close.

    I think it's fair to claim that, among other things, the BBC offers by far the best news and current affairs reporting of any major UK TV network (investigative/undercover journalism programmes, Newsnight, political debate and parliamentary coverage, several niche programmes on the BBC News channel, plus of course their main news bulletins), numerous excellent science and human interest series (Planet Earth, Human Planet, Our World, Wonders of the Solar System; notably, they cover a range from special interest programmes like The Sky at Night through to popular science with the likes of Dara O'Briain's Science Club), numerous original drama miniseries, better-than-average coverage of major sporting events, a broad range of films, and sometimes just good, old-fashioned entertainment (numerous Saturday night BBC One family shows, thoughtful/satirical/informative comedy like QI and Mock the Week). And of course we get all of this without disruptive commercial breaks every few minutes or having graphics advertising the next tacky programme that appear just to spoil the critical moment in what you're watching.

    Compared to spending Saturday nights watching Simon Cowell smugly mocking children who were brave enough to have a go at something, news coverage on Sky that really does make Fox seem fair and balanced, and Celebrity Big Brother 174, I'd gladly pay a lot more than the current licence fee if the BBC did go commercial. In fact, I could happily take the BBC channels and the Channel 4 family and dump almost everything else, because I don't watch that much live any more but almost everything I do find worth watching is on a very limited set of the available channels.

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  11. Re:Abolish the licence fee by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Agreed.

    I've been to many countries around the globe and few have TV as great quality as we have in the UK and the BBC is the reason for that.

    If it weren't for the BBC's advertising uninterrupted shows and so forth you'd rapidly see the race to the bottom you get in North American TV where you can't go 5 minutes without an advert interrupting your show.

    In North America you have to have over a hundred channels just to have a chance of anything decent popping up amongst all the shit. I like the fact that in the UK you can find something worth watching nearly all the time by checking only a handful of channels because the quality bar is set high enough by the BBC that they all have to provide as good or better stuff to compete raising the bar in general.

    The BBC is one thing the UK does absolutely right.

  12. Re:Abolish the licence fee by Tanaka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's good value when you look at the diversity the BBC provides. Sure you cant agree with the BBC on everything, but a lot better overall. Look at the Olympics. In the US, they got highlights. The BBC showed just about everything, live, without any breaks, for no extra cost.

    Personally, I'd like to see the BBC paid out of taxation, providing it cant be touched by MPs. Link the rate to GDP or something, so there is never any question over how much money they get each year.