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GNOME 3.10 Released
kthreadd writes "Version 3.10 of the GNOME software collection has been released. New in this release is improved support for Wayland, the upcoming X replacement. The system status menus have been consolidated into one single menu. Many of the applications in GNOME now features header bars instead of title bars, which merges the titlebar and toolbar into a single element and allows applications to offer more dynamic user interfaces. GNOME now also includes an application for searching, browsing and installing applications called Software. Several other new applications have also been added to GNOME including Music, Photos, Notes and Maps."
"GNOME now also includes an application for searching, browsing and installing applications called Software"
I had to read that like 4 or 5 times before it clicked that the name of the application is "Software"
Is it just me, or is GNOME picking a completely new default multimedia applications every other release or so? Why can't they run with something for a few years, for a change?
Gnome for Workgroups!
the new Gnome (Gnome 3, which you have with Centos 6, unfortunately)
Centos 6 is using gnome 2 still. Not sure wtf you are on about.
Their motto is "just get used to it".
That's GNOME's position. Red Hat will direct you to other DE's if GNOME 3 isnt your cup of tea.
But there is one hugely positive development: Mint decided to fork the old Gnome, Gnome 2.
Again, wtf are you on about? Mint didn't fork GNOME 2. They forked GNOME 3 and created a new DE based on GTK3. The GNOME 2 fork is called Mate and is independent of Linux Mint.
Seriously, no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even get the basics straight.
How bad of a shot do you have to be to target 99% of everything out there and still miss?
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
I understand some of the complaints. It get it. But, wow, Gnome is looking really good! It will be interesting to see how this new menu layout works. So far I haven't had any complaints in Gnome 3. I've been using Gnome everyday since it was initially released in the RedHat/Fedora distros. I've had more complaints with the bumps in the road with Fedora over the years than Gnome itself.
Curious to know people's thoughts on this: how necessary are projects like MATE now that GNOME 3 has a supported-in-the-long-term "Classic" mode?
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
now that GNOME 3 has a supported-in-the-long-term "Classic" mode?
The Gnome developers have a long history of throwing out features and behavior based on a whim. Why would anyone believe that "classic mode" is going to receive long-term support?
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
KDE4 is like Gnome 3 but actually improved as it developed.
Of course. To put it anatomically, KDE 4.0 had its heart in the right place, even if its other innards were completely jumbled. The problem with Gnome Shell, on the other hand, is that it has its head up its ass.
I realize it's passe in today's society to value fact, reason, and truth over feelings, impulse, and consensus, but it's still ok for people to state their opinions, whether they're using the product or not. Criticism should not be silenced for the sake of feelings. Frankly, gnome is just a collection of current design trends that are questionable at best, and that is the reason you see the commentary. The problem is bigger than gnome itself.
1. too much wasted space. I didn't buy a high res monitor just to have a giant tablet.
2. sparsely populated dialogs. I suppose this relates to #1, but still.. Why do we need 4000 extra dialogs to move through remedial tasks like changing backgrounds and color schemes?
3. hidden or nonexistent advanced tweaking. Again, a trend that makes living with computing frustrating. In this age, the user is assumed not suited to define his own workflow and layout, so we're all stuck with assumptions made by 'designers' who 'went to school for design', who never actually did anything else with their computers other than run photoshop...maximized fullscreen of course. To get what I want, I now have to manage a litany of patches against libgnome et al, or if I'm running windows 7, I have to hack up shellstyle.dll using a resource editor, and don't even get me started on windows 8. Why? This is not progress.
The problem boils down to placing aesthetics above functionality. This might work sorta ok for limited use devices, but not desktop machines used for complex workflows.
Seriously, no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even get the basics straight.
You must be new here.
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I recently converted from gnome 3.4 fallback to gnome 3.8.
I found it the most annoying pos to try and work with, until I started adding extensions to get back little bits of what I consider core functionality. Kudos to the gnome peeps for making it very easy to download/enable/disable various addons now. The only problem? Twenty fuckin extensions are required to get back those options I want, or to remove shit thats being forced down my throat. Then guess what...extensions often collide and interoperate strangely. Then you have 'mega extensions' that come with one small thing you want and twenty other features you give not a shit about, and, one of those other twenty things collides with another plugin you use.
Then you have the lockscreen. Maybe gnome devs don't use it, but I do, and locking and unlocking / resuming from screen off take anywhere from 30-60 seconds!?!?!?!?! The whole time you're like what in the fuckin fuck is going on.
Want to suspend? No you don't apparently. You only turn off your computer completely or reboot in gnome.
Want to try and use up more than a small portion of the top bar? Ok we'll start chopping the fuckin clock short so you can't read it AND clicking on the (now shortened) clock/calendary display to bring up the calendar pane? No clock on it, awesome. Not to mention it taking 2-5 seconds to pop up the stupid calendar pane.
So much in gnome 3 feels sluggish during operation, even if its just a ~100ms delay, that I feel like my i7 with 32gig of ram is from the early 00's.
Once middle click paste goes away gnome can go fuck themselves, but I'm sure by then they'll have removed more small things I didn't know I found vital---or forcefully prevent some current extensions from working anyways. /rant over
You know, I remember, many years ago now, an article that got posted on /. about usability of the Linux desktop for casual/beginner/"regualr people" users. GNOME and KDE were examined. At the time Gnome 2.x was fairly new.
One of the prominent complaints (one that got MSFT and AAPL fanbois gloating) was how people struggled with the exotic names for everyday applications.
So...you have to click this GIMP thingy to edit pictures? To go ont he web you need to clock "Konqueror" or "Galeon" (the latter of which morphed into "Epiphany"--so much more clear what it does eh?). To burn a CD I need "Brasero", etc.
The user had to rely on icons--sometimes they were not so useful either.
So the GNOME people have finally done something about it and name the app that helps you install software "Software", and call the web browser "web" instead of "Epihpany"...makes sense considering the feedback right? Well, now they are being mocked by experienced users for the unimaginative names. It's not like a computer literate person can't figure out what "WEB" does (oh gee, that must be the GNOME web browser...well isn't that more boring than Epiphany, but I guess now Aunt Martha will know how to get on the web).
By the way--"WEB" is just Epiphany renamed--the GNOM browser. Firefox/Iceweasel or Chromium still appear with their respective names/icons, so you can relax unlessyou are among the 1% of GNOME users who just use the GNOME Web browser and nothing else.
(As I type this I use GNOME 3.8 from Debian unstable and experimental packages--'tis a great improvement over 3.4 and earlier that so many still use or base their first impressions on--hopefully 3.10 will be packaged for Debian in due time--pwehaps a couple weeks before 3.12 comes out ;-)