Apple and Nokia Outraged That Samsung Lawyers Leaked Patent License Terms
An anonymous reader writes "U.S. courts have strict rules in place governing the treatment of confidential business information. The most sensitive information is labeled 'highly confidential — attorneys' eyes only', meaning that only a company's outside lawyers are allowed to see it. The Apple-Nokia patent settlement contract and deals Apple struck with others (Ericsson, Sharp, Philips) were such highly confidential business information. But a Samsung executive allegedly boasted in a patent licensing negotiation with Nokia a few months ago about knowing all the terms of the Apple-Nokia deal because the Korean company's lawyers had provided it to their client, against the rules. The United States District Court for the Northern District of California now wants to find out more before deciding on sanctions against Samsung and its law firm, Quinn Emanuel."
I don't really care who wins the smart phone war, but it's pretty clear that Samsung is just as evil and corrupt as every other large corporation. Let the smack down begin.
How exactly do you enforce that?
Not Samsung. The legal firm, the only ones privvy to the terms. Samsung itself only received the information, and stupidly let on knowing the information, but ultimately it's the legal firm that screwed up. Not Samsung.
Laughter is the Spackle of the Soul.
Except, as TFS says, there are strict rules in place for some things.
Sometimes, a lawyer is needed to be a buffer between you and something else you're not legally allowed to know. If this was the case, then the lawyer has either broken the law, or the standards of the Bar. Those are the kinds of things that can get you in trouble.
Whether or not this is true is a different story, but if it is true, there could be some serious consequences.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
All legal settlements should be public knowledge. It is a reversal on the basic ethic principles of our society when public entities, like the NSA, can spy upon private affairs with impunity, and individuals and private entities are denied what should be public knowledge.
Ignoring all the florian-spew and articles based on it, it seems an expert report was accidentally insufficiently redacted, and Samsung has not been fast enough in their investigation of where all the information went, so the magistrate judge is setting a deadline and ordering some depositions. Yawn.
With regulations, of course.
Libertarians live in rainbow-and-pony-filled imaginary worlds of wishful and magical thinking
As opposed to being filled with hope and change?
Show me where Apple have crossed the ethical lines ? You may disagree with their case, but I don't recall anyone claiming their lawyers were unethical in prosecuting that case ...
As for Samsung, they're just scumbags who don't respect the law of any land...
(Taken from Fortune ...)
If Apple tried to pull that shit, all hell would break loose. And rightfully so. For me personally, it's enough that I don't buy anything with a Samsung brand on the outside any more. They're the only company for which that's the case.
Simon.
Physicists get Hadrons!
If you did nothing wrong, then you have nothing to hide. Why not embrace that culture of transparency giving the example?
Why does this read like a PR document written by Apple to sway public opinion? Both parties have come close or outright crossed the ethical lines in their various legal battles. Finger waving or sanctioning a lawyer here or there does not change the core issues. Rather is distracts from the core issues and gains sentiment (or attempts to).
It reads like PR because it's written by a known Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle patent shill.
Steven
I didn't even click through to TFA.
Then I did.
I fixed the bio:
Florian Mueller is a douchebag-turned-shill with 25 years of software industry brown-nosing spanning across different market segments (games, education, productivity and infrastructure software), diverse frauds and a variety of technical and commercial areas of ass-hattery, enabling any twisted perspective you're willing to pay for. Florian shills for clients on the patent wars surrounding mobile devices, and on their economic and technical implications and will spread FUD as far and wide as the client's funds will allow. His shilling services are available directly (contact form, LinkedIn profile) as well as through two primary marketing firms.
Florian has been known to call himself the Ralph Spoilsport of technology and take it seriously.
Paid shill, but not paid shill by either Apple or Nokia. He gets paid by Oracle and MS.
Anyway. Facts are facts. Even if they come from a shill.
That's a pretty one sided summary. Where's the comments that the auto-deleting emails was done by apple as well? Where's the comments that apple was investigated for price fixing wrt ebooks? Or the details that the jury that awarded billions to Apple is under scrutiny for improprieties. This response is so one sided it has to be an Apple fanboi (at best) or an outright shill that wrote that article. BTW, if it is Florian Muller, then yes a known and outright shill for the anti-open source agenda. The truth is not found at the extremes of a topic like this.
Show me where Apple have crossed the ethical lines ?
- using what practically amounts to slave labor at Foxconn
- dodging taxes by claiming residence in ireland
- suing everyone and their moms with bullshit claims and patents
- false advertising (it should be named the Idiot Bar, not the Genius Bar)
- overpricing all their stuff
- suing everyone making compatible hardware into bankruptcy
- putting in a clause into OSX's license prohibiting using it on anything but official Apple hardware
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Summary executions of anyone *suspected* of keeping a corporate secret. We can sell licenses like we do for deer or elk during hunting season. Give 'em a name and a tag and make sure they register the body with the local game warden when they finish.
Guns, meaningless killing, and anti-corporatism - It's the perfect left-right-libertarian utopia
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
The labour at Foxconn is actually fairly well paid. The suicide rate at the factory is LESS than in the general populace. Many workers were upset when their hours were reduced because they're only working there so they can make some money now then leave in a year or two. A lot of these people are sending money home to their farming families. There are lines outside the company of people wanting to work there. AND Apple is working to improve conditions and clamp down on working violations.
Dodging taxes is legal, though of dubious ethics. But no other large company is playing by any different rules.
Everyone is suing everyone. You think Samsung isn't also on the suing end of courtroom as well? In any case, the problem is the patent system that allows those patents in the first place; once the patent is actually accepted, Apple legally has the right to defend it. You're looking at this from the wrong side.
That 'false advertising' claim is subjective. I've never had a problem at the genius bar.
By definition, their stuff isn't overpriced because people buy it at that price. If it were overpriced, nobody would buy it. It's what the market will bear, and people are perfectly happy to pay it.
I don't know who you're talking about on the compatible hardware front, exactly, but Apple isn't under any obligation to make software that allows OS X or iOS to run. That's not unethical, that's just a philosophical discussion. If you don't like it--and I'm sure you'll tell me you don't--don't run it.
"- using what practically amounts to slave labor at Foxconn"
The same company that a dozen other companies use
"- dodging taxes by claiming residence in ireland"
Do you take every tax deduction you are eligible to take?
"- suing everyone and their moms with bullshit claims and patents"
Every company is suing everyone. Do you know that Motorola basically blackmailed Google into buying them by threatening to sue other Android manufacturers?
" false advertising (it should be named the Idiot Bar, not the Genius Bar)"
Example?
"- overpricing all their stuff"
There is no such thing as something being "overpriced" in a capitalist economy -- especially if it not an essential good.
"- suing everyone making compatible hardware into bankruptcy"
????
"- putting in a clause into OSX's license prohibiting using it on anything but official Apple hardware"
How is that unethical? Is it unethical that I can't use GPL 3.0 license software in the method I want?