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India's Billion User Biometric Odyssey

mask.of.sanity writes "A bold new biometric identity system is being deployed across India in a bid to combat rampant welfare fraud. The mammoth system will collect the iris and fingerprint records on a voluntary basis of every one of India's 1.2 billion men, women and children. The Aadhaar project runs three trillion biometric identity matches every day — all on a small data center of commodity blade servers."

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  1. Re:4 years too old by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you read down into the article you will see the court aspect that is news :)
    "On Sunday"....."successfully petitioned the Supreme Court in that country to restrain moves by state governments to make Aadhaar mandatory for public services."
    As linked, more at:
    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/aadhaar-infringes-on-our-fundamental-right-to-privacy/article5182765.ece

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  2. Got mine 2 years ago, why is this news now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This was rolled out 2 years ago.
    The intended use:
    When a unique ID is issued, you can optionally associate a bank account with it. Govt. will transfer welfare benefits directly to that account, "avoiding" corruption. Many are miffed by this as they stand to lose control over, benefit distribution and there by votes.

    System abuse scenario is plenty, as your iris scan, finger prints(all 10) are associated with the ID.
    Funnily, the ID states that this is only for identification, and not a document of citizenship.

    1. Re:Got mine 2 years ago, why is this news now? by abhisri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Bid to control welfare fraud"... that is just the cover story, considering that the system is full of intentional loopholes and bugs. The real reason why the ruling congress party wants this, is due to its relying on the muslim vote bank. Muslims vote en masse in India, based on whichever party is promising more benefits to them, but as of yet muslim citizens of India are a minority in the country.
       

      Congress is trying to change this by using this scheme as a backdoor method of providing legitimate identity papers(and thus citienship) to millions of illegal muslim immigrants from neighbouring bangladesh and thus inflating their vote bank. The nearest oppositional rival party BJP has a more pro-hindu stance.

    2. Re:Got mine 2 years ago, why is this news now? by abhisri · · Score: 2

      Do you know how many illegal Bangladeshi immigrants are in India and where?
       

      Your indignant vitroil and personal attacks aside, cannot answer where, but majority of them are located in slums in Delhi and Mumbai and other various major cities, and quite a few all over India. How many? As per census difference extrapolation and media reports the number is anywhere between 2 million to 20 million...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_in_India#Bangladeshi_immigrants

      Do you think even if all of them were given citizenship and free beer, they will even make 0.05% dent to the number of voters in an Indian constituency?

      If congress moves these across to certain key constituencies to rig the election there, hell yes. You could pretty much block the opposition key candidates from even clearing the election. Like I said muslims vote en masse, unlike hindus.

      I am not commenting on the feasibility of this strategy. But this IS what congress is attempting. Here are the various media reports btw..

      http://www.dailypioneer.com/todays-newspaper/illegal-bangladeshis--pan-out-in-india-to-cement-their-aadhar.html

      http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-12-14/news/35820254_1_aadhar-cards-bangladeshi-intruders-bjp-leader

      http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Mumbai/15-illegal-Bangladeshi-migrants-held-one-with-Aadhaar-card/Article1-988057.aspx

      http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/aadhaar-cards-supreme-court-uidai-illegal-immigrants-anil-divan/1/311349.html

      All of above are very respected and established news medias in India. Not sure if they are flaming racist xenophobic.

      Now, you were saying?...

  3. Stupidity on a Massive Scale is still Stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The basic problem TFA starts with, is too much bureaucracy, too many different systems. Many people carry four redundant forms of identification. And now, they carry five, at least for the next few years.

    Worse, once this system is fully implemented and the other four are finally phased out... there's only one, with the useful property that if someone still manages to impersonate you (and they well might, there's a lot riding on the ability so they'll work something out) you've become a threat to the system and are best just kicked out. No replacement passport for you. You've become expendable.

    Don't think they won't. This is a country where family members might, and occasionally do, bribe the local clerk to have you declared dead of natural causes, so they can take over your land and other belongings. Biometrics can't solve that, it can't make corruption go away, but it certainly can make problems all of its own.

    And it does. Just starting with the huge databases it needs to work. We all know how the most enlightened and freedoms and liberties celebrating government of the world proved to actually treat my and your data. Now try again with a less well-paid, bigger, more corrupt government.

    It's not that these people don't have good intentions. It's that they're making all the classic mistakes, from making the humans puppets of the machine, to believing they won't be corrupt, honest, to massive overreach and starry-eyed wishful thinking. With biometrics sauce to make it all the more hip and in and cool and inescapable and unfixable.

    Biometrics, just say no. Also, save us from government IT.

    1. Re:Stupidity on a Massive Scale is still Stupidity by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is a country where family members might, and occasionally do, bribe the local clerk to have you declared dead of natural causes, so they can take over your land and other belongings. Biometrics can't solve that...

      WTF? That's the problem biometrics were designed to solve. Say my family asserts I'm dead and goes to court to claim their rightful inheritance. I turn up, press a grimy thumb on the judges notepad and say "match that", case closed! The idea that better identification makes it easier for someone to steal your identity is pure nonsense. The reason your example scenario doesn't happen regularly in the west is precisely because we already have well established systems to uniquely identify individuals, a practice that goes at least as far back as William the Conquer and his Doomsday book

      If you don't have a reliable way to identify property owners then you can't have reliable property law. If you don't have reliable property law then you can't have capitalism. Of course, outside the west the unwashed masses often do not have any officially recognised ownership of the land they have lived on for centuries/millennia. That lack of legal recognition is the reason multi-nationals can and do buy/lease huge chunks of land from third world governments and then hire mercenaries to rid "their property" of "lawless vandals and trespassers".

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    2. Re:Stupidity on a Massive Scale is still Stupidity by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is the problem biometrics were INTENDED to solve. But all wishful thinking aside, so far nobody has been able to DESIGN a biometrics system that actually solves it.

      Nirvana fallacy

      Just because it doesn't solve the problem 100% doesn't mean it isn't damn useful.

      I'm not saying it isn't evil, but in India it may be the lesser of two evils.

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  4. Biometrics are usernames, not passwords by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This system is guaranteed to fail. As I understand it, the problem it is meant to address is welfare fraud - criminals collecting the welfare of the poor for themselves.

    Best case, this works for a year or two as the criminals figure out how to spoof the biometrics. Maybe local gangsters force the poor people to give up their biometrics - take their prints and photos of their irises and then use copies (ala the recent iphone hack and the similar spoof via a photograph of the original iris). If the scanners at the welfare locations are manned, they just need to bribe the guy manning them into letting them use the spoofs. Undoubtedly the guy manning the system is going to be some low-paid peon anyway.

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    1. Re:Biometrics are usernames, not passwords by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Informative

      I stole it from this guy.

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    2. Re:Biometrics are usernames, not passwords by bain_online · · Score: 3, Informative
      Well you got it wrong.

      Currently the ration card system we have is you buy your subsidized stuff (food, fuel) at govt stores and govt pays the trader. Huge chance of fraud and corruption.

      What adhar allows is even poor to have an unique identity (UID) verified by the govt. This very improtnantly enables them to get a bank account linked to your UID which is impossible today for the nomads and the below poverty line people since they don't have passports or driving licenses.

      The next stage of the process is that the poor now buy their food on open market and govt directly deposits all the subsidies available diectly to their adhar linked bank account. All the middle men are trashed and window of corruption is a LOT less. Also there is electronic paper trail should a fraud occur. And yes there will be fraud since nothing in the world is full proof and completely secure. But its leps and bounds better than what is going on today.

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  5. Voluntary Aussies by Baby+Duck · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... collect the iris and fingerprint records on a voluntary basis of every one of India's 1.2 billion men, women and children.

    It's voluntary yet records every one of 1.2B people? Either India is the most sheep-like country ever (unlikely), or this system isn't really voluntary. Is this like voluntary income tax in USA?

    The project would be a bold deployment for Australia, but for the second-most populous country in the world ...

    Australia, whaaa? F- this article!

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    1. Re:Voluntary Aussies by scott9693 · · Score: 2

      They were just using Australia as a comparison to India, given that its an Australian website.

  6. Tech details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They are able to scan 1M people in one day(!), so it takes over 3 years to scan all 1200M people.
    One scan takes about 5 megabytes, so 1200M scans takes 6000 terabytes:
    http://searchbusinessintelligence.techtarget.in/feature/Aadhaar-project-data-collection-An-interview-with-Mindtrees-CEO

    Architecture details:
    http://www.biometrics.org/bc2012/presentations/UIDAI/UID%20BSP%20update%20Kris%20ver%202%201040.pdf

  7. Re:Illegal and Invalid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    when did India get a "Constitution"?

    Wikipedia says:

    The Constitution was adopted by the Constituent Assembly on 26 November 1949, and came into effect on 26 January 1950.

  8. Massive Scale of Yet More Stupidity. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is SERIOUSLY being discussed as just an IT issue, without any of the MASSIVE social and political issues involved?

    I'll pass.

    1. Re:Massive Scale of Yet More Stupidity. by Thanshin · · Score: 2

      Yes, we are very interested in the forum you decide to use to discuss each and every angle on every piece of news you encounter on the internet.

      Feel free to present all that useful information in spreadsheet form.

  9. You got it wrong... by bayankaran · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are saying Biometric systems are not foolproof from a security perspective I agree. But if you extrapolate that to "biometric data used in Aadhar will make the scheme fail" - then you have no clue whatsoever about the existing system and how Aadhar uses biometric data.

    AADHAR replaces the existing archaic mostly pen and paper 19th century PDS models - Public Distribution Systems - usually through 'Ration Cards' - to deploy benefits.

    There will be some amount of fraud in any system which is used widespread. People lose their identity in the West. Social Security Numbers or Social Insurance numbers are misplaced or stolen or identity hijacked. But for all practical purposes they work as intended Your social security card is only a piece of green paper with your name and number...the number is your username. And you do not need a password.

    The Aadhar number is only a username. The photo of the person, the address together with biometric data are added. It is for identification, not to swipe and open a door!

    For the AADHAR system in India, the intentions and purposes of using biometric data is not security, but identification. And identification works on different levels, biometrics is only one of them. There is no village / town / city in India where you present a photo ID and a machine scans it and gives you benefits - there is a person behind the counter. Thats the first step. There are other checks and balances.

    Still, local rowdies might abuse the system. Some corrupt officials might misuse their powers and try to pocket the proceeds. But this is a change which the country needed.

    (As a side note: Most states in India give 25 kilos of rice to a family of four for Rs 1 a kilo - something like 0.016 cents a kilo - to anyone belonging to the Below Poverty Line (BPL) card holders. Some of the rice returns to the market when the BPL card holders sell the extra to local shops or hotels. No system can stop this nonsense!)

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    1. Re:You got it wrong... by bayankaran · · Score: 2

      So you are claiming that the intent of the system is not to combat fraud but to simply replace an old paper-based identification (not authentication) system? That's not at all what I remember reading about the system a few years back when they were trying to justify it.

      Yes, one of the ideas behind the new system is "preventing fraud" - but its more than biometric data. "Preventing fraud" in the new AADHAR system does not equate to verifying identity using biometric data.

      For example, the new system will make sure subsidies are doled out. Meaning - if you have a bank account connected to your AADHAR number unless the government goes belly up the money will be credited. In the early system it depended on other extraneous factors - "application in triplicate", deadlines, thumb impressions, signatures for each and every benefit. This is an inherently messy system ripe for abuse.

      AADHAR may not be the silver bullet, but its a step in the right direction. As with any data collection system there is a chance for NSA type snooping. Right now, lets not worry about that. Indian democracy works in a different way.

      Yeah, so now you are talking authentication, but all you've done is mention a human in the loop, which I already addressed in my original post. Perhaps you could elaborate on these additional "checks and balances" (which is not a term that I think even applies to a welfare system, what is being balanced?)

      Your original post was at best a strawman..."biometrics, help, ripe for abuse, failure" and all that nonsense. That is why I replied.

      The checks and balances are many in India, Indian bureaucracy is good for that.

      Widespread abuse of AADHAR card will not work. the concept of AADHAR card is based on our electoral system using our Election voting identity cards which has a photo, name, date of birth and stuff similar to your drivers license. The reason Indian democracy works is because with my voting card, only I can vote in the constituency I am registered as a voter. Are there abuses...yes, but they are minor and the Indian system is much more cleaner and robus than the "hanging chad", "targeted profiling of minority voters so that they have difficulty in voting in certain areas" systems of USA. (We cannot compare India with any other country - China is bigger, but not a democracy, USA is the closest, with 1/3rd of the population.)

      AADHAR card works similar. Individual skimming might happen. But for an undesirable to collect hundreds of AADHAR cards with fake identifications, start bank accounts with fake identifications and then bribe the concerned bureaucrats to funnel the subsidies - well, I guess even a die hard criminal is not that stupid. The checks and balances - meaning some type of monitoring and prevention of abuse methodologies in place, can be applied to any system - start with AADHAR card itself...it has a photo (forget about biometrics), it has age, gender and an address. Then you have a bank account - its not easy to start a bank account with fake documents in India. It goes like that.

      Today an important Indian politician - Laloo Prasad Yadav - was sentenced for four years for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fodder_Scam"Fodder Scam". This scam might not have happened in such a large scale with a better system.

      Here is a car analogy...blaming AADHAR card for using biometric data is like blaming TESLA cars for its stereo quality, not the fact the batteries might explode.

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  10. Oblig by vikingpower · · Score: 2

    1.2 billion fingerprint in a government-controlled database. In India, for crying out fucking loud. What could possibly go fucking wrong ?

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  11. Voluntary and All by Guru80 · · Score: 2

    Not sure you can voluntarily collect ALL without "making an offer he can't refuse"

  12. Re:Illegal and Invalid by GingerTea · · Score: 2

    Mostly these cards and identity were used to convert illegal immigrants into legal ones

    Aadhar is just a proof of identity, not of citizenship. It cannot be used for making illegal immigrants legal.

  13. One of the great social projects going currently by Zubinix · · Score: 2

    This project is life changing for a billion people. By the end of the decade and into the next decade its effect on Indian society and the economy will become clearly visible. Such projects have great challanges to overcome and there will be some cases of fraud but it will be on a substantially smaller scale than currently happens.

  14. Re:4 years too old by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    Right, lots of problems go away via the magic of large-scale famine and death. Once the poorest half billion people in India die off, all will be well. The bodies can be used for fertilizer to improve food security or burned for heat in the winter.

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