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'Dangerously Naive' Aaron Swartz 'Destroyed Himself'

theodp writes "In July, MIT drew criticism after issuing a report clearing itself in the suicide of Aaron Swartz. So, one wonders what Swartz supporters will make of The Lessons of Aaron Swartz, an MIT Technology Review op-edish piece penned by MIT EE/CS prof Hal Abelson, who chaired the review panel. Calling Swartz 'dangerously naïve about the reality of exercising that power [of technology], to the extent that he destroyed himself' (others say prosecutorial overreach destroyed him), Abelson questions 'whether the people who mentored Swartz and helped him achieve such brilliance and power had a responsibility to cultivate not only his technical excellence and his passion as an advocate but also, as my grandmother would have called it, seykhel-a wonderful Yiddish word that means a combination of intelligence and common sense.'"

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  1. Hope it makes him feel better by russotto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, Hal, if this is what it takes to let you sleep at night despite your and your school's part in Swartz's persecution, have at it. But I doubt too many people are buying it; at this late date pretty much everyone's mind is made up anyway.

    It seems that "using power responsibly" usually means subordinating oneself to the whims of politicans and bureaucrats; to defy their will using one's technical prowess is immature, irresponsible, etc. The upshot is that if you're not a politician, you should sit down, shut up, and obey. I don't accept that.

    1. Re:Hope it makes him feel better by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder if Abelson's grandmother ever taught him about human decency, dignity, or shame?

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    2. Re:Hope it makes him feel better by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lot of us want to live in a society where the "naive" aren't driven to suicide by the government.

      Blaming the victim isn't super helpful, even when you maybe, sort-of have a point

    3. Re:Hope it makes him feel better by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IT was MIT who insisted on tough ]punishments and wouldn't allow a slap on the wrist.
      If Abelson was anyway involved it that, then he is at fault regardless of his history'.

      NO, he wasn't naive, his punishment was overblown.

      I'f I am going 5 mph over the speed limit, and I get a ticket I am not naive, that's just the risk I took.

      If I get arrested, taken to jail, refuse bail and threatened. IT didn't happen becasue I was naive, it happened because people were abusing power to make a point.

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    4. Re:Hope it makes him feel better by russotto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Abelson is an old Lisp hacker.

      He was hacking at a time when hacking (in any sense of the word) was not demonized anything like the way it is today; further, as people gain position within the establishment, they tend to adopt the establishment point of view. By claiming Swartz "destroyed himself", and by focusing on what MIT can do to prevent students from following in his footsteps (rather than what it can do to prevent prosecutors from crushing those who do), he shows he has completely adopted the establishment point of view.

      He has not shied away from standing up for freedom of information, even if there are heavy legal consequences involved.

      So how much time has he spent in jail? How much jail time has he been threatened with? That kind of credential comes with a price, and I don't see that he's paid it.

  2. Common sense? by guruevi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being prosecuted for being a whistleblower, being followed, being harassed... to expect and deal with that is common sense?

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  3. Common sense? by deanklear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is there a yiddish word for asshole?

    The most damage Aaron could have possibly done is damage the profits of a private corporation. For that, he was hounded until he decided to take his own life.

    Common sense tells me that his death is a tragedy, period. The only people who should be feeling shame are the sycophants who are defending the right of the powerful to abuse the powerless. May you reap what you sow.

  4. Re:and my grandma says... by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just out of curiosity, exactly what "offense" did he commit that you think is worth even a year's probabation with a suspended sentence.

    He used MIT's computer system to accomplish what it was designed to do. All he did was do a lot more of it than the designers were expecting.

    There mght have been a civil copyright issue here, but none of the copyright holders appeared interested in pursuing such a case.

    And there definitely was a "using more than your fair share of shared resources" issue, which is not a crime (unless you're a federal prosecutor with an axe to grind).

    To me, "common sense" dictates that MIT should have pulled him aside, and informed him that his massive downloads were not acceptable, and if they didn't stop, he would be officially banned from using MIT's network in the future. Once banned from the network, if he continued his activities he would *then* actually be guilty of a crime worthy of prosecution.

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  5. Re:Generation Y's unusual sense of "responsibility by similar_name · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not a Generation Y thing, it's a philosophical question. You're basically arguing that a defendant is wholly responsible for the consequences of his action regardless of the weight of those consequences and the arbitrary nature in which they seem to be applied. Some argue that society has some responsibility to enforce laws evenly, clearly and with consequences weighted appropriately to the harm against society done.

  6. Re:Generation Y's unusual sense of "responsibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Generation Y (that is, the reddit crowd) sure does have a rather weird sense of "responsibility", in general.

    Responding as a member of Generation X to your rather obvious troll, I will say that what I see in Generation Y a hope for the future that we failed at. Are you really so far gone that you have lost all sense of justice, of morality, of just basic decency and fair play? Do you really believe the vitriolic slime that was Thatcherite doctrine that every man is an island, alone?

    The best thing anyone of my age can do is give all the help they can to the generations beneath us - we failed to wrest power away from the hippes that turned into yuppies, but if we pass on our knowledge and experience, but not our jaded cynicism then there might yet still be hope. Personally I think the average Generation Y's morality is a lot less warped than Abelson's will ever be.

  7. Re:Generation Y's unusual sense of "responsibility by canadian_right · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about the prosecutor that threatened Mr. Swartz with 30 years in jail for actions that most civilized people think should have been dealt with by the University administration, or maybe by the civil courts. Was it responsible to threaten a person with 30 years in jail for disregarding an EULA?

    Mr. Swartz's case highlighted the odious and unjust practice of threatening people with completely out of proportion punishments to induce them to plea bargain. And as far as I can tell this is done to gain political points in the next stage of the prosecutors's career, not to improve justice.

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  8. Re:You're ignoring the real issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Society can be responsible for Pushing a person in to a corner where they have limited options and that is what happened here. Possibly spend the rest of your life in prison or take the easy way out. Should he have fought it sure. Was he in a mental state that would allow him to function well enough to mount a defense and fight the charges while being badgered by people in positions of authority, well not really hence the suicide. Depression is a strange mistress and when being forced into serving what would amount to a life sentence in prison for a trivial infraction what would you chose? The Prosecution is at fault, they were the bully and should be treated as such.

  9. Re:Generation Y's unusual sense of "responsibility by isdnip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The prosecutor aims for a high degree of punishment because they hope for a plea bargain, with every intention of keeping the maximum sentence recommendation intact in the event that the case actually goes to trial. It is a way to undercut the constitutional guarantee of trial by jury by raising the stakes so high that a jury trial becomes an untenable gamble.

    Thus the Ortiz-Heymann tactics in this case should be seen as what they were, an untenable subversion of basic constitutional rights, by persecutors with a goal of putting notches in their belt, hoping to gain political points with an ignorant public afraid of any and all "crime".