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Sick of Your Local Police Force? Crowdfund Your Own

Nerval's Lobster writes "A subset of Oakland, California residents have decided to crowd-fund a set of private security patrols, via a trio of campaigns on a crowdfunding Website named Crowdtilt. The three patrols, if adequately funded, will cover Lower Rockridge North/West, Lower Rockridge South/West, and Lower Rockridge 'including part of the Uplands.' Each campaign has a different (Facebook verified, apparently) sponsor, and wants between $20,000 and $25,000 to make the dream of private patrols a reality. Unlike Kickstarter, the Crowdtilt campaigns don't feature fabulous prizes for contributing; gifting $100, for example, won't entitle you to 'One (1) free "accidental" shooting of your choice.' That aside, dozens of residents have contributed cash to the loosely allied projects. 'What occurred last week at the Casual Carpool has ignited our neighborhood to act,' reads one of the campaign descriptions, referring to the broad-daylight stickup of commuters waiting in a carpool line on Oakland's Hudson Street. 'While the city and the police are doing what they can, we feel it's time for us as a community to begin exploring a wide range of ideas and taking some action on our own.' All three crowdfunding pages want to hire VMA Security Group for a four-month trial period through February 2014, possibly followed by a continuing contract if everything works out. That security company already patrols the Rockridge commercial district during the holiday season, and protects a number of Oakland businesses and households. While the VMA Security Group's officers are certified to carry firearms, one of the crowdfunding pages plans to ask any of them assigned to the neighborhood to remain unarmed 'unless they feel they cannot accomplish their duties otherwise.' Upscale neighborhoods pay for private security all the time, of course. The question is whether crowdfunding — better known for financing things such as games and indie movies, at this point — could catch on as a way of funding residential projects."

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  1. liability by bugs2squash · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they were to convince me to donate, I'd have to know that I was indemnified against any blowback from their actions. It sound's ripe for enforcement scandal. All in all I think I'd rather contribute more to the local police and work to get them up to scratch if they are lacking in some way.

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    1. Re:liability by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

      But usually it's just called paying your taxes.

  2. If only there were some mechanism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If only there were some mechanism where a large portion of the population could give some money to people to provide law enforcement services to a community before the Internet was invented.

  3. I believe that . . . by bogidu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    this is how police forces were initially created in this country anyway.

    1. Re:I believe that . . . by stenvar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can fire a security firm protecting my house. A dozen other home owners can fire the security protecting a private development. Firing the local police force and replacing it is much, much harder than either choice. That's why police forces have so many problems: they get paid pretty much no matter what.

  4. Isn't there already something like this-Taxes by duckgod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the explicit purpose of taxes. When the majority of people say that society would benefit from everyone chipping in to a cause. What is this world coming to when people resort to a website called "Crowdtilt" as a replacement for government?

  5. OCP by Deathlizard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are They calling it Oakland Community Police?

    Does RoboCop work for them?

  6. Re:Rent-a-Cop by Richy_T · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hanging around neighborhoods deterring bad guys is boring, doesn't make good numbers on the conviction rate and brings in no cash. Far better to wait at the bottom of the hill near that partially obscured speed limit sign with a radar gun.

  7. Re:Exactly! It's also an escape from taxes. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Think about it, vote down as many levies as you like for the city as a whole, doesn't matter one bit so long as you and your neighbors have armed thugs patrolling your neighborhood.

    What's the difference between an armed neighborhood watchman, and an armed police officer? Beside the tin star and $30K/yr salary, anyway.

    The answer, sadly, is that the armed watchman can and will be held accountable for his actions, whereas the police officer can murder your neighbor in cold blood, get two weeks paid vacation, then be found to be free from wrongdoing and back out on the streets, still armed.

    Given the options, I'll take the armed neighbor any day of the week.

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  8. Re:Changing culture by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the point of this? The local culture isn't going to be changed, and your going to have the same culture clash with the new police department as the old. Cops enforce the law? Residents get pissed about getting arrested. Cops don't enforce the law? Residents get pissed about crime.

    For one thing, they'll presumably be enforcing the laws they're paid to enforce, and not the laws local people don't care about. So more likely to be patrolling to discourage burglars and muggers than sitting at the side of the road with a donut and a radar gun.

  9. Exactly how government gets formed by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What you are seeing here is the birth of a government. First it's law enforcement, paid for by voluntary contributions. Then maybe some additional services - upgraded fire or rescue. Then it gets big enough that someone has to start working full time to manage it. If everyone decides (as often happens) that the people organizing this shouldn't be profiting, they all agree to take turns. Of course, this becomes cumbersome and they really find they need more continuity so the community chooses 3-4 people who will manage it, and they change those people every couple of years to each person doesn't get burned out. Then after a couple years the revenue starts flagging, and they realize that they're going to have to reimburse the organizers, and have to find a way to make sure everyone is contributing. So they form a local organization which includes everyone getting services and they agree on a way to split the costs equitably so everyone gets a bill. Most places choose the split by land area or value. Soon enough they realize that with everybody paying, they can get better garbage service, and maybe even reform the schools if everyone kicks in a little more.

    And then one street decides that they aren't really getting enough service, so they take up a collection for a private security firm to supplement the (now official) police...

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  10. Re:Rent-a-Cop by cusco · · Score: 4, Funny

    In my neighborhood we have great police coverage, especially at night. One officer keeps making repeated rounds past his ex-wife's house all night long.

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  11. I grew up on the edge of those neighborhoods by bennomatic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If I threw a rock hard enough, I would have hit the Uplands. That neighborhood is CRAZY. Trick or treating there as a kid was a good way to work off the calories from all the candy, as you had to go up so many steps the sugar was a wash. Many of the homes there have coats of arms over the doors. They are wealthy, wealthy, wealthy. I've seen houses in my old neighborhood which is a ghetto in comparison selling for well over $1M, so these places are easily in the tens of millions.

    Of course they're getting private security. The Oakland police are so busy that if you're reporting a crime that is not CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS, they'll mail you a report form. You never even see an officer if your car or house is broken into.

    Meanwhile, half a mile away, on Telegraph Ave, Berkeley has about the highest concentration of mentally ill homeless people in the nation, perhaps outside of Manhattan. But heaven forbid someone gets their big screen TV stolen.

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  12. Going Old School by tranquilidad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is how policing and fire fighting started to begin with. Neighbors would band together and volunteer to patrol the streets to prevent crime. Some rural areas still use an emergency siren to summon the area's volunteer fire fighting force; first one to the station drives the truck.

    At some point we decided we wanted a dedicated force so we banded together and started paying the police and fire fighters as professionals. But they were still our neighbors and friends and part of the community.

    When our communities became too large for everyone to know one another and our local management organization, the government, became too large to care we ended up in the situation we have today of us and them. There are people who really believe the government "gives" us protection in the form of police officers and fire fighters. Those who believe this forget that we banded together to create those institutions to serve us and save us the trouble of having to volunteer ourselves.

    Once the government became a foundational institution we just assumed that "they" had the responsibility to protect "us", we accepted that unions were formed to negotiate with "us" and we assume that we're prohibited from protecting ourselves.

    The professionalization of the police and fire fighting organizations are what allowed huge parts of the population to justify their abdication of personal responsibility.

    I can't argue against that professionalization because of the efficiencies it should deliver. I can, however, argue that community policing is sorely needed in many parts of this country. Any profession, unionized or not, is going to fight against competition.

    We need to remind "them" that we didn't give them a monopoly on protecting us and we certainly didn't abdicate our own right of self protection and preservation.

    1. Re:Going Old School by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fire fighting actually had a less social origin. The first formal fire-fighting organisations were in London, and private businesses. They ran on the insurance model: Property owners paid a fixed due on intervals for protection, and if their property caught fire then the fire engine would be dispatched (Along with men to pump it - this was pre-engine, all hand driven) and the firemen would do their best to put the fire out.

      The companies were quite unpopular because of another business approach of theirs: If a property caught fire that *wasn't* owned by a customer, they'd still drive the engine up. And then sit around idley, while the boss negotiated payment. As they had the upper hand in those negotiations, they could usually get a massive fee to put the fire out.

  13. Re:Rent-a-Cop by PRMan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In my neighborhood, we had the cops who just sat around with radar guns all day while home invasion robberies were fairly common. We fired the police force we were using from a neighboring city and replaced them with the county sheriff. They quit with all the traffic nonsense and immediately got to work stopping crime! I am also very happy with the results.

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  14. Hyde Park, Chicago by ygslash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I was a graduate student at University of Chicago, the University's private police force was the third largest police force in Illinois, after the cities of Chicago and Springfield. That may still be the case. The University police patrolled the Hyde Park neighborhood of Chicago in which the University is situated. Hyde Park is surrounded on three sides by high-crime neighborhoods, and on the east by a park along the shore of Lake Michigan, but it was safe to walk the streets of Hyde Park at all hours of the day or night. University police patrol cars could constantly be seen cruising slowly up and down every street. In those days before cell phones were popular, you could walk up any street almost without ever taking your hand off an emergency call box. When I first visited Hyde Park for my interview, I remember being told the exact boundaries of where it was safe to walk. That included things like "make sure to walk only along the south side of 47th Street, never along the north side of the street."

  15. The Haves vs the Have Nots by sdinfoserv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is just another case of the haves who are able to "contribute" or donate to a security zone vs the public funding of police. I'm sure all of the people who contribute are vehemently against increased "taxes", yet those taxes are the very thing that support public services like police. They are in essence paying a selective tax (supporting private security). Those areas too poor to hire their own private security will continue to decline. This is no different than the rich sending their children to private schools, hiring security and personal physicians then refusing to pay any form of taxes. As we continue down this path, the middle class will dissolve and we'll be left with children begging in the streets and the era of Dickens or a world like Mr Potter in "A wonderful life" will the reality for everyone.