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Police Demand Summary Domain Takedown, Traffic Redirection

Stunt Pope writes "This morning, Toronto-based domain registrar easyDNS received a request from the City of London (UK) police demanding that they summarily take down a BitTorrent search site based out of Singapore — or else they would 'refer the matter to ICANN' — suggesting easyDNS could lose its accreditation. The police further directed easyDNS to point all traffic for the domain to an IP address that promoted competing commercial online music services based out of London, UK." easyDNS raises some important questions in the blog post they put up after receiving the request. Quoting: "Who decides what is illegal? What makes somebody a criminal? Given that the subtext of the request contains a threat to refer the matter to ICANN if we don't play along, this is a non-trivial question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought it was something that gets decided in a court of law, as opposed to 'some guy on the internet' sending emails. While that's plenty reason enough for some registrars to take down domain names, it doesn't fly here."

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  1. Douche-o-matic by elloz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I summarily summarize this as an exercise in douchedom by dumb policemen.

    1. Re:Douche-o-matic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But again, who decides what is Illegal? The UK demanding a Canadian based firm use UK law while in Canadian, while domain in question is for a company in a Singapore? There are three different countries that have laws here. so what law do you follow? Should the UK just block all traffic to that site? its ahell of a lot more complicated then you make it out to be.

    2. Re:Douche-o-matic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep, we should close all for-profit news channels, they benefit from all the horrible things happening in the world.

    3. Re:Douche-o-matic by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Funny

      The UK demanding a Canadian based firm use UK law while in Canadian, while domain in question is for a company in a Singapore?

      Perhaps the UK should have their head of state take up the matter with Canada's head of state.

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    4. Re:Douche-o-matic by elloz · · Score: 5, Funny

      I tried complaining to ICANN once. They told me ICANN fuck off.

    5. Re:Douche-o-matic by Anon,+Not+Coward+D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      they do not only benefit from them, they are the cause! (same as the "piracy" argument)

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  2. In before it starts... by newcastlejon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The City of London is not the city of London (as if Britain vs UK wasn't confusing enough for foreigners). The City of London is about one square mile where a large number of big businesses operate. In the City of London, these businesses get to vote in local elections, normal people can't just run for political office, and the police are about as far away from publicly accountable as it's possible for law enforcement to get. When people in Britain refer to "The City" (compare with "Wall Street"), they're talking about this tiny piece of the capital.

    In short, someone in big business has been crying to their rent-a-cop again.

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    1. Re:In before it starts... by spacefight · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This. Read up on the City of London (not London...) and learn... it blows your mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Corporation#Criticism Talk about the establishment...

    2. Re:In before it starts... by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This isn't an e-mail. This is a business making a legal demand.

      If you actually read the message, you'll see what it is. It isn't a demand, thus fails the test of "legal demand".

      It starts with a simple statement. Paraphrasing, "we believe that someone you are providing registration services for is doing something illegal and has invalid registration data." Then it makes a request. "Please investigate whether your customer is violating your terms of service " Who decides "what is illegal" in this case? easyDNS does. It's interesting that you claim that easyDNS is "above the law", since they are the ones who are making this determination. If easyDNS doesn't think they should be making this kind of determination, they should remove it from their TOS.

      They ask for a hold to be put on the DNS registration data, and that if easyDNS does act to cut off service to the client that the domain name be pointed to a certain place. That's if easyDNS decides to act.

      And then, most egregiously, they ask "please let us know what you've decided, one way or the other."

      Yes, they point out the ICANN rules about correct registration data being a requirement. Big deal. I've pointed out the same requirements to the registrars of spammers many times. I've obviously been overstepping my bounds as a private citizen and demanding people be put in jail. Not.

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  3. http://83.138.166.114/ by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Informative

    Go to the ip address in the complaint http://83.138.166.114/

    It's got the message from the police, along with a bunch of logos of commercial companies, like the BPI.

    So it's evident who they are working for.

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  4. Re:IPCU: London by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, but what would distinguish it from other potential shows featuring strongly-worded email-at-desk action is that the people doing it would be completely fucking unbearably obnoxious self-entitled arsebuckets. Or, at least employed, by them. So it'd really be more like a reality show.

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  5. Police are right; easyDNS response is drama-queen by ljw1004 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Read the actual police request. It says:

    We request that you review your processes to see if you provide a service for the identified domain(s). If so, we would ask you to review the terms and conditions on the basis of which that service is provided and withdraw or suspend the service if you are satisfied that the terms and conditions have been breached

    And the police helpfully highlight the relevant line from EasyDNS terms of service:

    easyDNS Terms of Service: easyDNS reserves the right to revoke any or all services associated with a domain or user account, for policy abuses. What constitutes a policy abuse is at the sole discretion of easyDNS and includes (but is not limited to) the following: ... copyright infringement ...

    But now the easyDNS got on his drama-queen high horse. Here's what he wrote:

    Who decides what is illegal? What makes somebody a criminal? Given that the subtext of the request contains a threat to refer the matter to ICANN if we don't play along, this is a non-trivial question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought it was something that gets decided in a court of law, as opposed to "some guy on the internet" sending emails

    Well the answer's clear. From his own terms of service, HE is the one who decides whether easyDNS should terminate service, at his discretion. Not a court. The police's request was solely that easyDNS should themselves determine whether this user had breached their own terms of service.

  6. Re:RCMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I used to get all kinds of demand letters while working at a registrar based in Canada. I just told them to go get a Canadian court order and we'd be happy to oblige. Never heard back from a single one.

  7. This looks fake. by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The "police page" at 83.138.166.114 may be fake. That address resolves via reverse DNS to "S82574.clubonside.dk". But "clubonside.dk" isn't in DNS or the .dk registry. It was live in 2006, and was a site for soccer fans, then moved to "clubonside.com", and is now defunct. The IP address is hosted by Rackspace in London.

    Also note that on the page, there are no links to any law enforcement organization. All the links are ads for "safe and reliable online content". A domain actually taken over by the Serious Organized Crimes Agency in the UK looks like this. No ads, links only to a UK government site.

    This looks like some private "IP protection" company impersonating a police agency.

  8. Re:RCMP by c-A-d · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the correct reply. Force them to work in the proper jurisdiction of action.

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