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8 Users of Silk Road Arrested, 'Many More To Come'

An anonymous reader writes "Last week authorities shut down Silk Road, an online black market that made use of Tor to hide activity. They also arrested the site's primary operator, Ross Ulbricht, and seized his possessions. Now, an AP report indicates at least 8 more arrests have been made on people suspected to have sold drugs through the site. Four of the arrests happened in the U.K., two were in the U.S. and two were in Sweden. It looks like they're gearing up for more arrests, as well. Keith Bristow of Britain's National Crime Agency said, 'These latest arrests are just the start; there are many more to come.' Authorities are reportedly mining the site's customer review system, which contains months worth of transaction data, for further leads."

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  1. Crime by GrBear · · Score: 5, Funny

    Crime doesn't pay, but the hours are great!

    1. Re:Crime by somersault · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It doesn't pay, but being in some prisons is better than working minimum wage, and definitely better than being homeless.

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    2. Re:Crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Speaking of Swedish prison my dad knows a guy who calms it saved his life. How? No alcohol on weekdays. But on the week ends (Swedish prison let most of the prisoners out for weekend) the guy would go drinking with one of the guards. After following this habit for a 2 years. He still no longer drink during week days.

    3. Re:Crime by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Informative

      More accurately: Crime is a high-risk career. If you're good at it, the pay is very good. Even just common burglary you can make thousands in one day's work. If you're not good at it though, you make nothing at all and end up in prison.

    4. Re:Crime by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sounds a lot like being a CEO or financial investor. If you're good at it, you can steal millions every day.

    5. Re:Crime by goodmanj · · Score: 4, Informative

      Crime's like any other job: the high-paying, less risky jobs all require tons of skill and training, or family connections. If you haven't got a crime education or a crime pedigree, your only choices are super high-risk jobs like mugging or super low-paying jobs like corner drug sales.

      http://freakonomics.com/books/freakonomics/chapter-excerpts/chapter-3/

    6. Re:Crime by Forbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except in the finance world, you can screw people out of everything they have, get caught and STILL get your bonus.

    7. Re:Crime by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Swedish prison let most of the prisoners out for weekend

      Err, no, never heard of that. A prisoner can apply for "permission" after serving something like a third of his/her time in prison, and then they can leave prison for up to three days at a time (decided by prison administration, or, as in a recently publicized case, by a central agency on appeal), but I don't think any prisoner gets permission every weekend...

    8. Re:Crime by pellik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Assange is affraid of extradition to the US not answering charges in Sweden.

    9. Re:Crime by jmhobrien · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's right. If it's white collar theft (public or private), then the law is on your side. In fact, the system encourages it.

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  2. I find it more interesting... by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... that people used their real names and addresses on Silk Rd as sellers, and expected to never get busted in the process.

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    ... wait, what?
    1. Re:I find it more interesting... by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You need to use a real address if you want to buy stuff, and in the UK at least, you don't need to have that much before it is "possession with intent to supply". People could have been buying wholesale on Silk Road and selling it on the street, and even if they weren't, if the quantities were more than about a day's supply they would get charged with that anyway.

    2. Re:I find it more interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe for the pair in Bellevue, they stupidly used their own return address on their packages, which was a PO Box. The smarter sellers use real addresses of random businesses which should be totally safe. Obviously many sellers weren't so smart or simply became complacent.

  3. Silk Road rating A-- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Instead of weed, package contained SWAT team.

    Would not buy again.

    (with apologies to xkcd)

  4. Important to note ..... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    that this isn't a failure of the technology. Ulbricht made the mistake of allowing the feds to connect the dots. Silk Road apparently kept some kind of logs. Here's hoping you didn't buy from them.

    1. Re:Important to note ..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's an important reminder that it only takes one mistake to get caught, and it doesn't even need to be your own mistake.

    2. Re:Important to note ..... by rmstar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      this isn't a failure of the technology.

      Not directly. Indirectly, it helped create a nice big honeypot where now lots of people got caught. This is not unlike the childporn exchanges on the tor network. Pervs flock to these sites, and create a big juicy target for law enforcement.

      You have to realize that it is far more cost effective for law enforcement to break silk road and get the adresses of lots of dealers than to chase them one by one. It is so cost effective that they can use a well funded crack team (no pun intended) to do it.

      So in a way, this technology is in fact helping law enforcement.

    3. Re:Important to note ..... by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      Buyers are not much at risk. It is the sellers they are after.

      Bullshit, they're after everyone. My friend's brother spent five years in Federal prison, as well as half his high school graduating class. His crime? A guy he'd gone to high school with called him needing $1000 so he could get a lawyer -- he'd been busted for selling cocaine. He said he'd pay him back double in a week.

      Mike's brother and twenty or more other people were convicted for "conspiracy to distribute cocaine." All of them spent five years in prison, except that guy who was actually selling drugs who spent only two for helping the feds prosecute innocent men, and few if any of them had anything whatever to do with drugs.

      They don't care that you're innocent, they want you in prison. You don't even have to be a buyer to go to prison for dope, just loan the wrong person money.

  5. Re:Same as it ever was. by The-Ixian · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tor was developed by DARPA and is funded by the NSF and the US State Dept.
     
    I think your fears are a little unfounded.

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  6. With all the problems in the world... by MRe_nl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's focus on recreational drugs!
    It's as if we don't want peoples attention on the real criminals.

    Sociopath plutocrats and their dogs.
    http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats

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    1. Re:With all the problems in the world... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Funny

      I dunno, I think I'd be pretty happy about it.

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  7. So... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anybody interesting and hilariously anti-drug in public life on the list yet, or do those get filtered out before they send in the jackboots?

    1. Re:So... by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Japan gets involved, they'll use Samurai Jackbots.

    2. Re:So... by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anybody interesting and hilariously anti-drug in public life on the list yet, or do those get filtered out before they send in the jackboots?

      I think it goes a little like this:

      DEA Agent: So, I hear you are opposed to warrantless surveillance.
      Junior Senator: Umm, yes?
      DEA Agent: And my undertstanding is that recently you've been reconsidering your position.
      Junior Senator: No, I haven't.
      DEA Agent: See this post we have here from Silk Road where you say that BC Chronic made The Simpsons funny again?
      Junior Senator: What I meant to say was, I believe warrantless surveillance is a vital and necessary tool in our war on violent extremism.
      DEA Agent: I thought so.

  8. Re:Queue The Anarchist & Druggie Comments In.. by wbr1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nice troll. Buying on a black market is never good. However, the fact that our society/governmet forces one to exist, when its existance has demonstrably caused harm, created violence, gangs, addicts, and an underclass of simple users as felons, all to feed the public a boogeyman to help rake in funds for those in power and with entrenched interests is what is horrible. The fact that you probably buy it hook, line, and sinler scares me too.

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  9. Re:Queue The Anarchist & Druggie Comments In.. by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    3... 2... 1. GO! Write posts explaining how people buying things like herion and cocaine on the black market is okay.

    hmmm! ...hmm! ... People should be the owners of their own lives and taking responsibility away from people and treating them as stupid children turns them into stupid children!

    Right? ... Right? ...What did I win?

  10. Crime rule #1. by goodmanj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Crime rule #1: If you're going to do crime, don't do crime with anyone you haven't known since high school. Doing crime with random strangers over the Internet is just fcking stupid.

  11. Re:Queue The Anarchist & Druggie Comments In.. by LF11 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I do not think that your hypothesis that hard drugs are bad is not necessarily correct. I invite you to learn an alternate model of addiction which may change your world a bit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

    What do you think?

  12. Re:Queue The Anarchist & Druggie Comments In.. by todrules · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By making drugs legal, it solves a couple of things. First, it would stop the synthetic drugs that have been popping up everywhere. These are much more dangerous than the drugs that they try to imitate. Synthetic marijuana has killed people, but real marijuana doesn't. That's a byproduct of the War on Drugs. Second, it could be controlled and taxed, which would bring down the prices and negate the risk for organized crime. For example, when I was in high school, it was easier for me to buy pot than it was to buy alcohol. It wasn't worth it for the local drug dealer to sell me beer, but it was for pot.

  13. The balance between anonymity and accountability by hessian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would like to be able to purchase my drugs anonymously, but since I'm paying Silk Road a percentage, I'd like some kind of guarantee.

    Some kind of accountability, in other words.

    How to balance the two? They don't balance. Even if the only accountability is a seller's good name, there must be some kind of linked identification which, over time, provides enough information to find the individual and arrest them.

  14. Re:Mod Down - Logical Fallacy by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    His point isn't that we have to choose between prosecuting drug users and bankers. His point is that drug enforcement is a distraction for the people, so that they don't demand we prosecute bankers. It's misdirection.

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  15. Re: Alleged Murder-for-Hire by FranklinWebber · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hi Shavano,

    In this post you wrote:
    > Let's be clear about this. Silk Road operators had a guy killed.

    And in another post you wrote:
    > These guys are also murderers.

    While I think your main point is correct, that Ross Ulbricht is (allegedly) a thug, I also think we should be clear that (probably) nobody actually died. Ulbricht is accused of paying bitcoins to have two people killed, but neither "hit" was carried out. See
    http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf
    bottom of page 23, for a summary of one "hit", and
    https://ia601904.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.uscourts.mdd.238311/gov.uscourts.mdd.238311.4.0.pdf
    starting on page 6, for a step-by-step account of the other.

  16. Re:Queue The Anarchist & Druggie Comments In.. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Heroin, not heroine ...

    Anyway, no, heroin does not "kill more and more until they reach a critical level and die". The AC you replied to has it more correct. MOST (not all) heroin ODs are from new batches or some other mistake. Or mixing heroin with alcohol and / or other drugs.

    Which brings me to my real point. If you think that heroin is dangerous (and it is), what's your thinking on alcohol? Or tobacco? The societal costs of either drug dwarf the societal costs of ALL illegal drugs, sans law enforcement costs put together. If you plan to be logically consistent (never a strong point with humans), then we should outlaw alcohol (again) and tobacco (goodluckwiththat).

    Yes, there are medical costs associated with drug use, those problems should be left to the medical community, not the legal one. We're not perfect, but our track record is considerably better. You are never going to have a society free of drug use and other behaviors that are demonstrably bad for the individual. Where the US screws up big time is believing that the legal process is the way to redress those issues. We've demonstrably shown that the "War on Drugs" doesn't work.

    Time to do the American thing and re invent ourselves and switch gears. The rather interesting thing is that Colorado and Washington have waded into that vast abyss and are trying to figure out how to make an illegal drug legal. This will inevitably be (somewhat) successful and can point to the way to legalize other drugs, although not likely any time soon. Our underlying Calvinist / Puritan mythology will hang on for a while longer, I'm afraid.

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