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Most Cave Paintings Were Painted By Women, Says Penn State Researcher

barlevg writes "Analyzing hand-prints found in cave sites, an archaeologist from Penn State University has concluded that roughly 75% of all ancient cave art was painted by women. Previously it was thought that neolithic cave paintings were made mostly by men, perhaps to chronicle their kills. But an analysis of the relative lengths of fingers in hand stencils found on cave walls suggests that it was mostly prehistoric women--not men--who created these works."

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  1. In other news by marcello_dl · · Score: 5, Funny

    In related news, primitive hand stencils in caves are now likely considered as the first crude attempts at nail painting.

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    1. Re:In other news by bob_super · · Score: 4, Funny

      Genius! He just opened his facebook and saw who's writing the most on the walls.

    2. Re:In other news by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sexual division of labor does occur quite regularly in other mammals, although it doesn't necessarily fall into the same division across species. The primary factor behind it was likely the result of the differing economics of risk and a few other factors. Humans are omnivores, so meat and plants make for useful food sources, meaning that there are reasons to both hunt and to gather. Hunting is dangerous and has a high chance of failure, but men can survive at lower body fat percentages because they don't have a baby factory to maintain, and one male can impregnate several females, so a male dying is less of a blow to the population. After these roles were established, traits that were useful for these divided roles were selected for if not already present, as they would be a more desirable mate.

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  2. What interested me by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What interested me about his research was the evidence that sexual dimorphism in humans was substantially stronger in the paleolithic than today.

    To me that adds credence to the notion that society has removed a lot of the need for distinguishing between genders. Which was neat.

    1. Re:What interested me by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought it was alcohol that removed the need to distinguish between genders.

    2. Re:What interested me by FlopEJoe · · Score: 5, Funny

      To me that adds credence to the notion that society has removed a lot of the need for distinguishing between genders.

      I rather enjoy the distinguishing features between genders.

    3. Re:What interested me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While the full study may have done a better job at establishing this than the article, I'm less than convinced that the dimorphism was actually sexual dimorphism. The article made it sound like the scientists built a contemporary database of hand dimensions, which showed a slight sexual dimorphism. They then compared this database with the hand prints from cave paintings, and found a much more dramatic split between the different morphologies (the archeologist stated that "they fall at the extreme ends, and even beyond the extreme ends"). I am not an anthropologist, but when I read that, I read that the scale is broken, not that we can say that "men were men and women were women". It seems equally (maybe more) likely that the major differences were more the result of tribal isolation, since there was no information suggesting that they had compared actual neolithic remains against their scale.

      If there are biologists out there who can tell me why my skepticism is stupid, I'd love to hear about it. At the moment, though, I'm in the "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" state of skepticism.

    4. Re:What interested me by H0p313ss · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought it was alcohol that removed the need to distinguish between genders.

      While this is more true in Appalachia, correlation does not equal causation.

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    5. Re:What interested me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      a woman can wave a credit card just as well as a man.

      You're not married, are you?

    6. Re:What interested me by Jappus · · Score: 5, Informative

      The 10% includes those who have bisexual urges, but identify as heterosexual.

      In that case, the number would be likely much higher. After all, if the Kinsey studies have shown one thing, it is that pure homosexuality is as rare as pure heterosexuality. Most people fall into the range where they "merely" strongly favour one gender over another, but not to the exclusion of the other.

      Furthermore, sexual attraction is not the same thing as actually wanting sexual intercourse. It ranges from simple and almost universal things like the benign interest in the aesthetics of human bodies -- no matter the gender --, over gendered group bonding (best example: sports clubs) up until bonding with a specific individuals (best example here: soldiers in war).

      And then remember that your mind is also capable of empathy on all levels. For example, if you see someone cut themselves, you most likely feel a mirror of their pain. That's why horror movies are so effective.
      The same is true for sexuality. After all, if that were not the case, porn would not be as effective and desired (by any culture, any gender, really).

      For example, if you see a movie in which two people kiss, do you totally ignore one partner? No, you perceive and are affected by them both. You might like some combinations of genders better than others, but you can not deny that the kiss will affect you either way and that something in your brain will mirror the feelings (physical as well as emotional) conveyed by the kiss.

      Additionally, sexuality is the result of a developmental process and like any such feature (height, skin color, etc.) it has as much a genetic "pre-set" component as well as a environmental component that can divert the development. If you flood a male embryo with androgen-blockers, the embryo will turn physically female, along with an increased chance to be attracted to men. Same if you flood a female embryo with the right cocktail of male hormones.

      And like your final body height is influenced by the supply of nutrients during development, sexual orientation is influenced by a myriad of environmental factors. And like height, the result is a sliding scale. In many ways, your genes only supply the starting point for that first cell, but not where you will end up.

      As such, if you don't limit "bisexual urges" to people who actively strive to have physical sex with either gender, you will see that your 10% is an estimate on the lowest conservative threshold.

  3. Is that why they lack perspective? by presidenteloco · · Score: 4, Funny

    (deserved slap/punch)

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    1. Re:Is that why they lack perspective? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was a big art history buff back in the day and humanity has had the same artistic ability throughout our history. What changes is the purpose of an artistic creation. Some cave painting were used in hunting rituals (they can sometimes be seen scratched with weapons), so they weren't intended to be too realistic as the theory I heard says that might capture the spirit of the animal somehos. You can see in some cave paintings that the artists are well aware of perspective (legs of animals are accurate 3D projections) and even do a pretty good job of capturing proportions of prey animals; including making females pregnant.

      Medieval art loses its "quality" because Christian culture at the time viewed art as an earthly pursuit. Even paintings of religious icons if don't too well could be perceived as idoltry. That did lead to a dropoff in talent, but that was because that wasn't their aim. Most of what we as modern viewers see as distortions or poor quality are very deliberate attempts to communicate a higher concept that literal recreation.

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  4. Don't discount the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The paintings are there to boast about their hunting skills and number of kills. The hand prints and stencils are there to boast about the number of women that the caveman has.

  5. A primate tale as old as time. by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Have they considered the null hypothesis?

    Have they thought that perhaps men were simply less narcissistic, and just like on Youtube where women more commonly display their faces in their videos than men, the women stenciled their hands more frequently than the men... You know, because it's the painting not the damn hand that matters -- It's the content not the face presenting it that matters... yet they show their faces, even if it means obscuring a part of the content.

    There's something deeply evolutionary to that: Women primarily value social standing of mates. Males primarily value youth and fertility / beauty -- visually identifiable things. As the peacock displays its plumage for the peahen, so to do the female humans instinctively put on displays for their prospective mates, while the guys try to "impress the girls" with what they have, can do, or provide.

    "Look at this cave painting I made, I'm a good artist." "Yeah, well look at how sexy my hand is, you like being touched by it."

    The study proves nothing, IMO. Look to the neurology we've inherited from our ancestors, there you will find the same ratios you can use to surmise which sex favored/favors certain behaviors now and in the past.

  6. In other news by foma84 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anthropologists debung male-centric myths, tech site breeds tens of sexist-joke comments.
    Stay classy.

  7. Re:Makes sense in some ways by cusco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given the time and lifestyle involved in such times, women were not really allowed to do much of anything.

    Citation Needed. If you look at neolithic cultures around the world the society you describe was actually rare. Hunter/gathering societies need both parts of that equation; people hunting food and people gathering food. Interestingly, different societies partition the food processing differently. Sometimes the men do the grinding, sometimes it's the women, sometimes the men do all the butchering, sometimes the women do. IIRC, two New Guinea tribes considered each other heretics because in one group only the men cooked the meat, and in the other only the women did.

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  8. Re:Small and Unreliable Sample? by dcollins · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "As the article says they tested 32 hand prints, and 24 handprints were female, with the algorithm determining if the handprints belonged to a male or female painter having an accuracy of 60%."

    60% accuracy for the modern sample, not the research sample. FTA:

    Because there is a lot of overlap between men and women, however, the algorithm wasn't especially precise: It predicted the sex of Snow's modern sample with about 60 percent accuracy. Luckily for Snow, that wasn't a problem for the analysis of the prehistoric handprints. As it turned out—much to his surprise—the hands in the caves were much more sexually dimorphic than modern hands, meaning that there was little overlap in the various hand measurements.

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