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Read Better Books To Be a Better Person

00_NOP writes "Researchers from the New School for Social Research in New York have demonstrated that if you read quality literary fiction you become a better person, in the sense that you are more likely to empathize with others [paper abstract]. Presumably we can all think of books that have changed the way we feel about the world — so this is, in a sense, a scientific confirmation of something fairly intuitive."

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  1. Nonsense. by ornil · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a deeply flawed study. Basically, it's cherry-picking with a vengeance. There's a good discussion at Language Log: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=7715

    1. Re:Nonsense. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, it seems to be a rather self-involved definition of "better person".

      I could make the case that reading Ayn Rand's Fountainhead is a better indicator of being a "better person", than reading Charles Dickens' Great Expectations. And I could make that case without even agreeing with Rand's beliefs, or whether her method of storytelling is seriously flawed.

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    2. Re:Nonsense. by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Informative

      For what it's worth, that was thrown on later by media uptake; the authors simply talk about theory of mind. It is safe to assume Ayn Rand has a very small chance of fostering this in someone.

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    3. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

    4. Re:Nonsense. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wow, multiple mods of "Troll" to counter the upmods from people who can actually read context.

      I never said Ayn Rand was a good person, or that her books embodied 'truth', or that her books were an enjoyable read. In fact, in several prior posts I have stated the exact opposite positions.

      But as far as the premise that choosing what books you read makes you a better person, I can still state that choosing her works over Dickens is not necessarily a detractor.

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    5. Re:Nonsense. by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 2

      You haven't read Ayn Rand then.

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    6. Re:Nonsense. by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 2

      I could, but I don't want to. See, I'm being selfish, which is supposedly virtuous, right?

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    7. Re:Nonsense. by SternisheFan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rand was broken by the Bolsheviks as a girl, and she never left their bootprint behind. She believed her philosophy was Bolshevism's opposite, when in reality it was its twin. Both she and the Soviets insisted a small revolutionary elite in possession of absolute rationality must seize power and impose its vision on a malleable, imbecilic mass. The only difference was that Lenin thought the parasites to be stomped on were the rich, while Rand thought they were the poor.

      http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2009/11/how_ayn_rand_became_an_american_icon.html

      Sounds to me that she was a sad, drug addicted nut who was overly influenced by her rough childhood, and any nut can write books. Doesn't make them right (see: L.Ron Hubbard).

    8. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's a wonderful little joke in my language, and it comes from a time of being a peoples republic:
      Capitalism is humans exploiting other humans. Communism is the reverse of that.

    9. Re:Nonsense. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      "a sad, drug addicted nut who was overly influenced by her rough childhood". Sounds like a good description of a fair few writers out there. Seriously though, even if Rand wanted to impose her vision using methods similar to the Bolsheviks, you'd also have to compare her vision with theirs to make any sort of meaningful comparison between the two.

      I've read some of Rand's books when I was 14 or so, and they did change my life. Not because they are such great books or because I agree with her philosophy, but because up to that age, most of the books you'll read will be your school books, and many of those books (as well as the teachers) extol the virtues of, for lack of a better word, socialism. (I'm talking about education in the Netherlands here, and no, I am not kidding. YMMV per school, though). After all that indoctrination it was a big surprise to find a book describing an outlook on life more closely matching my own views. Rand's books aren't amongst the better books that I've read, but they are amongst the books that made me a better person, and even if I discarded many of her views later on, they did get me interested in politics and philosophy in general.

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    10. Re:Nonsense. by hey! · · Score: 2

      Well... papers exist to be ripped apart by other scholars. The initial claims and counter-claims are bound to be the most obvious ones, the ones that turn on simple issues rather than abstruse ones. So it's no surprise that the initial criticism seems to have caught the authors with their methodological pants down. It's better to let a few rounds of point/counterpoint run before drawing any firm conclusions.

      The study seems to belong to subfield of social pyschology which has become somewhat controversial -- priming. The way priming studies go is that the study population is divided into two groups, one of which gets a treatment which the experimenter thinks will affect his subsequent judgment, another of which gets a placebo treatment. A test is then administered to each group, and if there is significant difference the author makes claims about what that means.

      The ways this can go wrong are legion. The experimenter can choose a treatment that can't demonstrate what he wants to claim (e.g. the stories he chooses don't qualify as "literary fiction"). He can choose a placebo that has unwanted effects (e.g., a story that actually primes its readers to be stupider). He can be biased in his administration of the test. He can get a significant result simply by chance (1/20 studies will do this). The experimental results my be real, but his interpretation unsupportable (e.g., the psychoanalyst who did a study of the different mannerisms of male and female smokers, and interpreted the difference as supporting the concept of "penis envy").

      A single experiment never proves anything.

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    11. Re:Nonsense. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Some folks tend to use Ayn Rand like ketchup . . . they put her on anything, without thinking about the taste.

      An architecture student I knew at school was a big Ayn Rand fan. She explained to me that engineers were "leeches" living off the ideas created by "real scientists", who were "producers."

      . . . um, . . . ok . . . whatever . . .

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  2. Re:And this is news? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read the article, it was a randomized study in which people were assigned to read specified books selected beforehand by the experimenters.

  3. Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas by rueger · · Score: 2

    Need I say more?

  4. I Read Starship Troopers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now I want to kill all the Bugs and blow up their planet...

  5. Re:What does that say about America? by ledow · · Score: 2

    Junk tabloids are always more popular. In the UK, it's the Sun and the Mail and the Mirror and the Sport, etc.

    The same way that the most popular shows on TV don't have much in the way of thinking involved - celeb shows and "reality" TV.

    The barrier to entry is lower, so more people consume them. Unfortunately, it's pretty much a one-way downhill run from there.

    You have to wonder what we're teaching our kids, especially in the celebrity areas. Let's all consume trivial information about people who got rich by not being able to sing but they can wiggle their ass suggestively.

  6. Some do, some don't by Dr.+Winston+O'Boogie · · Score: 3, Informative

    The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the 'social sciences' is: some do, some don't. -- Ernest Rutherford

  7. Re:Twilight.. by hey! · · Score: 2

    I actually read *Twilight* to see what all the fuss was about. And if you read with a sufficiently open mind, you can see what the fuss is all about. Meyer is a gifted writer. What she is *not* is a technically proficient writer -- at least in her debut novel. She offers little that will lure you in if you aren't square in the novel's target demographic, and plenty that will put you off if you aren't immediately swept up in the spell. Her handling of dialogue is particularly painful for the non-fan.

    Yes, you can boil the attraction of Twilight down to a simple formula, but if you think that's all there is to it, then go write your own 118 thousand word novel with the formula and watch the millions of dollars roll in. It's not that simple. It takes a special talent to make the formula work.

    Overall, reading *Twilight* made me sad, because the book could have been so much better. It needed the services of developmental editor, and a tough one at that. If they'd invested a few thousand more dollars up front they might have widened the market for the book. Instead they got a massive anti-*Twilight* backlash. A strong editor would have made a lot of those *Twilight* haters into fans.

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  8. Re:I Also Read Starship Troopers... by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

    Going out on a limb, the idea of defaulting to second class citizens promotable only through military service?

    Except in the book civilians really aren't second class. In fact, the book only mentions 2 distinctions between citizens and civilians: some reserved jobs such as police officer for veterans, and the ability (or responsibility, as the book tells it) to vote. The doctor that examined Rico was a civilian. Rico's father was a civilian and owned his own manufacturing company and their family appeared to be one of the wealthiest in the Phillipines. Civilians can go to college (and can do so before citizens can). And as for voting? Many people don't vote now, and those who do tend to vote on party lines, sound bites, what the candidate looks like, or any of countless other heuristics; vary rarely do they consider the consequences of their vote, or truly examine the issues. Heinlein wasn't creating a two-tiered civilization. He was essentially arguing that the only way to get people to care about the state and it's preservation is to make them personally invested in the state. By risking their lives in the protection of the state (and remember, the book explicitly states that most citizens are made through non-military, auxiliary service) they learn the value of the state and will exercise the power of the vote responsibly, so as to not lessen or make irrelevant their own contributions to the state. They are also taught that in mandatory classes in school. While going through OCS, Rico comes to the realization that voting never really mattered to him all that much, and that he and every other cap trooper "voted" every time they made a drop, because they were saying that the protection of the state and therefore society was worth their lives. It is not about patriotism; rather, it is, to misquote the book, that the part realizes it is part of a whole and that it should willingly risk it's own existence to ensure the continuation of the whole. The whole is scalable too: it applies to the family, to the group, the town, the city, society, the state, the world. That is what separates it from patriotism. Patriotism stops at the state; in Starship Troopers it went all the way to the human race.

    I would gladly take Heinlein's system over what we currently have in the US. We wouldn't have a government shutdown, we wouldn't be worried about the debt ceiling, because the politicians (who would have to be citizens) would put the good of the state ahead of their own attempts at holding/gaining power and grandstanding. I also wouldn't mind the idea of things like mandatory capital sentences for things like murder, kidnapping, etc. But that's a whole other issue.

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