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Tech's Highest-Paid Engineers Are At Juniper
Phoghat writes "The guys at Glassdoor have compiled a list of the 25 tech companies with the best salaries for software engineers. Google and Facebook made the list, of course. So did Apple and Twitter. But the company at the very top is a bit of a surprise: networking gear maker Juniper Networks."
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I barely make half of the average of the 25th place company...
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Base salary is only a fraction of the compensation. I work for one of the top 5 and the base plus stock per year for a fresh COLLEGE GRADUATE engineer is higher than the "average" salary listed for the company. All this really says is that your company is in Silicon Valley where you need 100k a year to rent a decent apartment.
LinkedIn is obviously overpaying. No way is any of the code coming out of there as good as pretty much anybody below them on the list.
I don't know for everyone else, but I'm more surprised by another one: the fact that Walmart is really high up there. I know there's probably a gigantic system for handling all of their stores, shipments, etc. but I did not expect to see them so high up the list. Walmart would strike me as the sort of company to pay as little as possible.
Those salaries are really low for their locations.
They are including the "base salary" of Senior Engineer and lead positions.
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If you were in Washington State or Texas (Dallas), your cost of living maybe only half of what it is Silicon Valley. When I was living in Dallas, I was paying less than half of what I now pay for an apartment in San Jose. There is state tax too. Juniper is relatively small.
What was surprising to me was to see Walmart, but I don't know their Software Engineering group size or location.
has anyone ever read Goralski's book on networking (he's a top engineer there)?
http://www.amazon.com/The-Illustrated-Network-Kaufmann-Networking/dp/0123745411
programing is not engineering.
That's what she said.
Wal-Mart does not skimp on IT/security infrastructure and equipment upgrades. I have been doing data, phone, CCTV and alarm service work in Wal-Mart/Sam's for years. They are not afraid to spend money on tech.
How long is the work week 60-80+ and is face book building housing to push that to 100+ or do they want the H1b1 on site 24/7
Greetz to my buds at Juniper's Special NSA Piggyback Slurp Packet Sniffle Fiber Fruitcake Utah Datacenter Cluster Zap Lightning Products Division.
Glad to see someone is living the American dream.
Just joking. I know full well that routers do not listen to people, people listen to people.
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Those wouldn't be starting salaries unless you have a graduate degree or experience and are jumping into a senior position.
Last I checked (which was a couple of years ago) a fresh PhD starting at google was in the 130-140 range, and a fresh undergrad was usually in the 80 range - at least that's what my students get.
Followup to my previous - the actual page
http://www.glassdoor.com/blog/25-highest-paying-companies-software-engineers-2013-glassdoor-report/
has a starting salary link but some of those are not entry level - 3 years experience makes a big difference over 0.
Physical IT infrastructure and software for Stores and Clubs are ran out of ISD in good 'old Bentonville. Old, stodgy, but stable. ~4000 associates + untold vendors. Arkansas payscales - of course you can find a very nice place to live in BV for ~1100 - 2k sq feet, 2 car garage, large yard, etc. Weather sucks. Out Loud.
Walmart.com as an eCommerce retailer is ran out of San Bruno, CA and much more startup-y and silicon valley-y. Closer to ~1500 associates + not quite so many vendors. Close to San Francisco so the rent on a crappy apartment is closer to 3k. Weather is nice, tech culture is nice.
I'm now on the eCommerce side and it's a pretty good place to work overall. We have an impressive amount of shopping data acquired over the years... The payscale at #8 is about right for the San Bruno location which is what I have to guess this survey is based on.
Glassdoor reports that one Senior Software Engineer at Google made a $300,000 stock bonus and had total compensation of over $400,000. Juniper doesn't have anything like that. I think Google has more variance in pay possibly. From what I understand Facebook is the same. The top engineers are rewarded VERY well.
My apartment in Washington State costs 10% more than my apartment in Silicon Valley did. It's all about your commute and what you're close to.
The tax difference is quite significant though - CA is 7%, but that's 7% of gross, so more like 10% of what would have been your take home in WA or TX. Plus here in WA I can legally get plastic bags in the grocery store if I like - so there's that (I just didn't realize how intrusive CA laws were into my daily life until I left - it was like a weight lifted).
Walmart is a top-tier employer in vary large scale computing. They're just as happy for folks not to know about the billion dollar data centers (bunkers really - they're quite ready for the Walmart riots).
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As they note: "Because Glassdoor only includes companies where at least 50 engineers have submitted salaries, there are some high-paying companies that didn’t make the list. Netflix, for example, often pays engineers far more than other companies" which, working at Netflix, I can confirm -- software engineers get paid substantially more than at Juniper at Netflix and as for "some startups that are paying software developers close to the same salaries as management" -- Ha. I manage a software development group, and about half of my engineers get paid substantially more than I do. And that's probably right, because they'd be harder to replace than I would be.
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I don't work in finance, but I'm surprized not a single hedge fund made the list. A big part of their compensation is in the bonus, but still you can't live on a base of $130k in Manhattan, kindergarten costs $38k per year per kid, not to mention a place to live, etc.
Is it just that you need to have 10,000+ employees before 50 of them post their salary on glassdoor?
Do hedge funds actively discourage their employees from posting?
You also live somewhere other than the bay area. Probably someplace like Memphis Tennessee, where the median household income is $37K?
If Juniper only allows those with a a Peng/Ceng to call them selves Engineers as opposed to other companies that take fresh grads and call the engineers that woudl explain it
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I have worked for major telcos where the term "engineer " was almost never used for professional job grades as that was what the Linemen where called
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Numbers are mostly meaningless without knowing locale. Most of the top companies are concentrated in northern California, where not only is the cost of living high but there's also lots of competition for talent. What does Google pay its engineers working in, say, Pittsburgh or Austin?
It's my understanding that Juniper does pay pretty well overall. However, I doubt it's pay advantage is so huge - I'm guessing that there's a different sort of person submitting salaries at Juniper (maybe bored long timers ;)) vs somewhere like Facebook...
That's the marginal rate, though. It does ramp up fast, so the total rate is high (7% is from memory, could be off).
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Ya but that was 1998 - tech boom and all that.
Today people pay less to start but there's good money if you have experience.