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Teachers Get 1 Week To Test Tech Giants' Hour of Code

theodp writes "In a move straight out of Healthcare.gov's playbook, teachers won't get to preview the final lessons they're being asked to roll out to 10 million U.S. students until a week before the Dec. 9th launch of the Hour of Code nation-wide learn-to-code initiative, according to a video explaining the project, which is backed by the nation's tech giants, including Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Amazon. The Hour of Code tutorial page showcased to the press sports Lorem Ipsum pseudo-Latin text instead of real content, promised tutorial software is still being developed by Microsoft and Google, and celebrity tutorials by Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are still a work-in-progress. With their vast resources and deep pockets, the companies involved can still probably pull something off, but why risk disaster for such a high-stakes effort with a last-minute rush? One possible explanation is that CS Education Week, a heretofore little-recognized event, is coming up soon. Then again, tech immigration reform is back on the front burner, an initiative that's also near-and-dear to many of same players behind Hour of Code, including Microsoft Chief Counsel Brad Smith who, during the Hour of Code kickoff press conference, boasted that Microsoft's more-high-tech-visas-for-U.S.-kids-computer-science-education deal found its way into the Senate Immigration Bill, but minutes later joined his fellow FWD.us panelists to dismiss a questioner's suggestion that Hour of Code might somehow be part of a larger self-serving tech industry interest."

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  1. Lesson in software development by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even if the kids won't get a lesson in computer science, they'll get a lesson in what happens when software development is rushed.

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    1. Re:Lesson in software development by symbolset · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you thought your kids were getting a proper education in public school you might want to think again. My rule is that I teach my kids math, science and art - and then I send them to public school not to learn stuff, but to learn what is taught there so they can understand where their peers are coming from. My youngest: "people are stupid." Yes dear, but you have to deal with them anyway.

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    2. Re:Lesson in software development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you thought your kids were getting a proper education in public school you might want to think again.

      Maybe I'm just a bit slow, but I never really learned much in the classroom, per se. I found that the material just went by too fast. If I actually stopped to think about something (e.g. why trigonometric functions can't be calculated from finite algebraic expressions) then I would miss big parts of the lectures. So I saw the classroom as a place to be exposed to a whole variety of ideas - some of which I was already familiar with but others that were new that I would have to think/read about later on my own. Essentially, I did my actual learning on my own - thinking things over in the shower - or on the bus ride home - or finding books in library that discussed topics of particular interest in more detail.

      That's not to say classroom instruction couldn't be improved. Imagine if the federal government spent a trillion dollars (i.e. the cost of the Iraq war) on developing a set of really high quality educational videos - by the very top specialists (e.g. science professors) in their fields - along with high quality figures, animations, etc. It's almost certain that such videos would be substantially better than the typical high school classroom lecture. But, then again, if we instead spent that trillion dollars on new research then we would almost certainly end up with a whole lot of exciting material/discoveries to teach - that we wouldn't have if we only focused on teaching what is currently known.

      My youngest: "people are stupid." Yes dear, but you have to deal with them anyway.

      I went to high school in a fairly small town - just a hundred thousand people in the town and surrounding area. But we only had one (public) high school so we had about 700 students in each grade. There were a whole variety of "honors" classes for the more academically inclined students. But they also took roughly the top 30 students out of the 700 total in the grade and they let them take special "academically gifted" classes together. I was lucky enough to take some of those "academically gifted" classes and my peers in those classes sure weren't stupid. I was lucky enough to get to go to MIT for college and my peers in those academically gifted high school classes were just as smart and motivated as my peers at MIT - although, mostly for financial reasons, not all my peers in high school ended up doing the Ivy League thing for college.

      One of the key problems I see with public schools in the USA is the notion that public schools should be funded and administered at the local level. As a consequence, you get relatively wealthy communities (such as the town where I grew up) where the public schools are just good as all but the very top private schools in the country. But then you get poor communities where the public schools are so bad that learning is basically impossible. It's really shocking that, in a country as wealthy as the USA, it's considered acceptable to have communities with such poor quality schools. But then the tea party wants to make it even worse - weakening the federal government even further to allow many communities to slip even further into poverty and dysfunction.

    3. Re:Lesson in software development by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I invite you to get out into the countryside, and to learn about those local schools.

      I'm a transplant to Arkansas. I attended a relatively wealthy school district in Pennsylvania. My wife grew up here. She attended a high school where the graduating class ranged from ten to thirty students over a one hundred year history. That little school excelled. I mean, it seriously excelled. Students routinely placed very high in all college tests, military tests, you name it.

      Soon after our kids started school in that same school, governor Bill Clinton made it his business to start consolidating smaller schools with larger schools. Our kids attended k-6 in the old school building, but the high school kids were being bussed to another school, in another county. Today - the old small school system is completely gone - everyone is bussed somewhere.

      And - all of the schools involved have attained a roughly equal level of mediocrity.

      Excellence in education doesn't depend on large sums of money. Really, it doesn't. The fact is, schools that have a lot of money today, tend to spend that money on sports, rather than education.

      http://espn.go.com/dallas/story/_/id/8323104/allen-texas-high-school-ready-unveils-60m-football-facility

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    4. Re:Lesson in software development by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Just in time production is the latest rage in manufacturing. You make stuff and ship it just before it's needed. The government better hope there are no cost overruns, it's hard to negotiate the price when finals are due next week.

    5. Re:Lesson in software development by svanheulen · · Score: 1

      The main problem with this isn't that it's so rushed. It's that most of the students that will be taught this are computer illiterate. It's always surprising to me how even young tech savvy people don't even know the basics of file systems, or the difference between a hard drive and RAM.

    6. Re:Lesson in software development by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      Same as when you do a CCNA, CCNP and CCIE you have to learn what cisco thinks to pass the exams and bite you lip at some of the oddities - unless your like the Guy from BT Labs who on only getting 98% in his CCIE wrote a personal letter to john chambers pointing out why the CCIE exam was wrong - he was one of the three inventors of Ethernet though:-)

    7. Re:Lesson in software development by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      Welcome to Arkansas!

      I'm a native and back when "Slick Willie" Bill was the gov running for president my line was: "Lets all vote for Bill -- get him out of Arkansas!" But I never thought everyone would take me seriously. :-)

      The high school I went to had ~150 in the graduating class each year, so let's say a population of ~500 yearly. We had students win awards (1st prize, not just for "showing up") in different regional and state competitions. Most students did not though -- and I think a lot of that was teacher attention as well as student attitudes and "intelligence". We all had droning-on-forever lessons and classwork which we didn't like, but we also had discussions, teacher help, and would even occasionally help each other out for a few minutes in class, especially if most if everyone had similar problems. I was on both the giving and receiving end of this. (OMG: could you see the administrators and unions reactions if they knew students were teaching other students classwork? Back then, I think it would have been "That's nice" or "Well of course." Now-a-days I'm not so sure.)

      As money dwindles, more and more centrally organized schools will be forced to consolidate. We're not that densely populated -- so that's not necessarily a bad thing, but the further kids have to travel the worse it is no matter what the reason. I think we need local schools with regional and state COORDINATION, not direct CONTROL.

      I also think "No Child Left Behind" translates to "No Child Gets Ahead." Government is at it's best when normalizing things to a crushing minimum. And because the legislators are there and feel the need to justify their continued existence, they feel they have to do more and more "for" us.

      Heaven help us with our government (state and federal), and I'm an atheist in this land of Religion.

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    8. Re:Lesson in software development by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      Education discussion? Time to talk about how public school sucks. Amirite? Considering the post you're replying to had nothing to do with public school quality?

      You will have good schools and bad schools, good teachers and bad teachers. The question here is, whether a good teacher can do anything with this. Teachers can make something of the worst lesson plans, but this doesn't seem to qualify.

    9. Re:Lesson in software development by symbolset · · Score: 1

      I am a huge fan our our public school teachers. I don't envy their challenges. If more parents shared the load I think it would help. By taking responsibility for ensuring my own students get a chance to meet a reasonable standard without relying on their teacher to hold their hand, hopefully some other student gets an enhanced opportunity as well.

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  2. Apt name by Empiric · · Score: 1

    The Hour of Code, dedicated to minimizing the tech giants' cost per Hour of Code.

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    1. Re:Apt name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been suspicious of the recent tech industry push for more programming. Writing code is great and all that, but there seemed to be something odd going on.
      Currently the US is heavily promoting programming via campaigns like the one listed here. The UK is doing the same. A few weeks ago David Cameron even mentioned the subject in his speech, which pretty much proved how the whole thing is a PR wheeze by the giant corps. Here's what Dave had to say:
      http://www.newstatesman.com/staggers/2013/10/david-camerons-speech-conservative-party-conference-2013-full-text

      'We've ended the dumbing down in exams.
      For the first time - children in our schools will learn the new language of computer coding.'

      Here's the problem, Mr Cameron went to our finest private school. He would have been in education during the 80s when his idol Mrs T was running a similar programming campaign (only in BBC Basic). He also couldn't have failed to miss the UK 80s computer boom.

      Yet from his speech he seems slightly clueless & factually wrong. We've had similar from other ministers who appear to be reading from policy sheets things they personally have no knowledge of.

      Here's another tech promoter in a video about women in computers:
      http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2013/sep/30/arts-degree-tuition-fees-video-debate

      Yes, this woman is arguing that being multilingual in Europe is a waste of time & we should all learn the mysterious language of 'Code'. The depressing thing is she's pretty much invalidating her own argument as a) Her degree was such a 'waste of time' she ended up working at one of the top ad agencies in the world and b) She's not exactly prehistoric, why isn't she self-learning some computer science and being an inspiration to young women?

      Hence at least here in the UK the people promoting these campaigns appear to be pushing this elaborate fantasy to kids that if they 'code' then they can be the next Bill Gates. Sure, it might happen but isn't this as dishonest as telling five years olds to keep up the singing as they're going to be the new Beatles?

      Looks to me like the IT industry wants to get themselves lots and lots of cheap labour in the near future and realise that semi-employed teenagers can do many low-level jobs for beer money. Meanwhile the kids who can write 'hello world' in Python will get a big fucking shock when they come across the complexity of real production code or realise they require extensive scientific knowledge to understand it.

    2. Re:Apt name by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      For the first time - children in our schools will learn the new language of computer coding.'

      That's a lie.

      I was taught BASIC in a UK school back in the 1980s (on a Commodore PET...)

      What's next? iPads for every child to learn 'coding' on? (it's government+payola so that wouldn't surprise me...)

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    3. Re:Apt name by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, DUH.

      Look around you. Everyone and their dog learned that with MINT degree the average business leader will look at you as some sort of menial labor idiot while he himself considers his business degree the be-all, end-all pinnacle of education. Take a wild guess what everyone and their dog wants to study.

      This in turn is of course not what business leaders want, since that kinda tells people that their precious BA degrees are a dime a dozen while MINT students get rare. And they don't really enjoy the idea that supply and demand works against them.

      So kids should go MINT. But frankly, from a monetary point of view I cannot entertain that idea. Bluntly, MINT is strictly for you if you're interested in it, if money is all you care about, go BA. As history shows, you don't even have to be halfway decent to get decent money, which isn't the case with MINT.

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    4. Re:Apt name by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Writing Lua code in Codea, or using any of the many Python ports, is a great way to learn coding on the iPad.

      Maybe, but it's still "coding on the iPad".

      A small laptop+Arduino+LEDs would be 1000000% more useful/educational.

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    5. Re:Apt name by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      ...or even a Raspberry Pi - which can be "re-imaged" in seconds (put in a different SD card) instead of all the maintenance work that a Windows laptop needs.

      With an iPad the kids will be constantly thinking of all the talking cats lurking in the background instead of what you want them to be thinking.

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    6. Re:Apt name by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I do think you're right about government payola. Let's be honest - if the aim was to teach programming then schools could happily use their standard PCs with free language downloads & tutorials. With the money saved not buying iPads or Pis they could train more teachers in actual computer science.

      I just can't imagine that Microsoft is going to sit there if this program advocates buying Apple products for all the kids.

      Or Apple just sitting there if they use Windows laptops or Android devices instead of iPads. ....or any other combination of Microsoft/Apple/Google/Amazon you care to pick. All of them have massive corporate agendas (and probably only signed up so they can throw spanners in the works if it looks like the program isn't going towards their platform).

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    7. Re:Apt name by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      CECIL and BASIC for me in the 70's

  3. This can't be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hip, up-to-the-moment name? Check
    Tutorials by industry legends? Check
    Backed by the top companies in the IT business? Check
    D-Day style simultaneous rollout to multiple millions of customers? Check
    Nothing less than our nation's future may be at stake? Check

    Uh oh.

    1. Re:This can't be good by connor4312 · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. Spending one hour of class time teaching students how to code and giving them a glimpse into the CS world could seriously endanger the nation's future as a country with a population less educated than the global average!

    2. Re:This can't be good by lxs · · Score: 1

      Hip, up-to-the-moment name? Check

      Can we uncheck that one please? Thanks.

    3. Re:This can't be good by ThisIsSaei2561 · · Score: 2

      Global average? Oh, I doubt that very much. Perhaps lower than other countries with comparable wealth, or countries in the first world in general -- but the world average? Don't exaggerate / be so alarmist.

    4. Re:This can't be good by ATMAvatar · · Score: 1

      That only makes it retro, which is even *more* hip.

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  4. Microsoft? by 1s44c · · Score: 2

    Tutorial software by Microsoft in a tight timeline. What could possibly go wrong?

    1. Re:Microsoft? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The next patch.

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  5. Better advice... by real-modo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    * Learn to habitually apply critical thinking. Why would Microsoft want "every American student to have the opportunity to learn computer science"--a somewhat advanced branch of mathematics? That's right: it doesn't. It wants an oversupply of employees in "computing occupations". (Quotes from the linked technet blog post).

    BUT, don't apply critical thinking out loud at work. That's non-career-advancing. Use it in your meta-employment strategy.

    * Learn persuasion and negotiation skills: applied (cod-) psychology topics such as body language, emotional intelligence, rhetoric. Join Toastmasters. Develop a wide circle of acquaintances in lots of different industries and occupations--it's the "weak connections" that get you jobs.

    * Learn the elements of employment law.

    * Learn how to cooperate effectively with your fellow employees. Which means doing the shit work, at least some of the time, especially at the start.

    If you want to become one of the -l-i-z-a-r-d--p-e-o-p-l-e- 1%:-

    * learn what it takes. Here's a very introductory primer: The Gervais Principle.

    1. Re:Better advice... by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      It wants an oversupply of employees in "computing occupations"

      Oh come on. Extend this thinking to its logical conclusion and you'll realise we should have schools actively work against education in all fields to keep up salaries in all fields.

  6. Tech industry hypocrisy by macraig · · Score: 1

    The sociopaths running many of the nation's tech corporations, whether they be software or hardware engineering, have no desire whatsoever to encourage a larger American workforce for those industries. The reason for that lack of motivation is simple: such a workforce educated here would expect higher salaries to pay off their enormous student loans (for institutions with massive tuitions used to subsidize profit-seeking research and not education) and would thus diminish their profit more than a similarly educated immigrant or outsourced workforce. They and their peers in other industries of course could sacrifice excess profit and reduce the prices of their goods, thus reducing inflation and the nationwide cost of living and allowing people to live on lower wages, but why would sociopaths do that?

    1. Re:Tech industry hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Good point, but the salary issue may be different in the UK. The government wants to ban the under-25s from claiming welfare even though we currently have high youth unemployment. Instead of dole they'll be told to do an apprenticeship (not many about), training (similarly spotty availability) or work.

      If there aren't the jobs they'll be forced to work not for minimum wage, but for workfare levels equal to benefits. There are going to be tens of thousands of under 25s with skills & degrees who can't find full-time positions. Hence they'll be decanted to companies as free labour, which I would guess would drop the level of wages right down. So it will be possible for them to hire local workers and get away with the salary thing. Ironically this will overall increase welfare costs as the government will have to pay the workfare wages while the companies are off the hook. Meanwhile the people cheerleading 'work for welfare' will freak out when they realise the new army of unemployed youngsters are doing their jobs for free...

    2. Re:Tech industry hypocrisy by macraig · · Score: 1

      I wonder if an analog to that could ever exist in the United States.

    3. Re:Tech industry hypocrisy by SerenelyHotPest · · Score: 1

      I have mod points but will not be modding you down, though I hope I can show that your case is misguided and unsound.

      You're not wrong in saying that there are sociopaths--or at least very empathy deficient people--in Silicon Valley. Friends of mine work with business magnates in that area, I know for a fact that they're are. I'm not convinced, however, that there are a higher proportion of sociopaths in information technology or software engineering than in, say, law or petroleum engineering. The way you've tried to fit the information technology push into some broad, overarching conspiracy to convert America's young people into thoughtless worker drones makes no sense.

      Consider the following: If an outsourced workforce, otherwise competitive with American labor, is prepared to work harder for less money, why hire expensive students trying to pay off student loans at all? For that matter, why encourage them to seek an expensive computer science education at Cornell or Rice or Carnegie Mellon, especially considering that such an education is likely to make them less effective drones if they have any exposure to political history in school? How does being saddled with debt for a technical education make you more likely to seek a disposable job (one you could be trained to do at a technical college in two years for a few thousand dollars) or less likely to start a competing company?

      If this campaign is self-interested, and I have every reason to think that it is, I see two possible motives: one, they aren't able to find enough skilled people to fill the positions they have anywhere, and in certain pockets of their industry, this may well be the case; two, they recognize that a stagnant economy is unlikely to support growth in their own ventures and want more people starting innovative businesses to fuel a cycle of economic growth. In either case, I fail to see how, at least for the foreseeable future, this isn't in the interest of the young people being involved. I remember having corporate propaganda funneled into my head through public schooling on a biweekly basis (with which parents seemed perfectly fine, I might add), and I can honestly say that this would easily be the most welcome and constructive supplemental material for the year.

      As a young person, I often hear thoughtful parents complaining about the influence of corporations skewing the public school system as a whole towards the creation of worker bees, but a minority of even them seem interested in doing anything about it that takes meaningful work or commitment. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you're a parent (and you may well be): what are you doing to ensure your children are being taught to think critically, recognize and self-protect against the sociopathic (to use your word) behavior of their employers and develop scarce skills that will make them good citizens and globally competitive workers/entrepreneurs? If you could easily and thoroughly answer this question, then congratulations, you'd have very little to worry about! Otherwise, I'd offer that you were blaming people you know to be self-interested for behaving predictably and doing little to prevent it.

    4. Re:Tech industry hypocrisy by macraig · · Score: 1

      ... information technology push into some broad, overarching conspiracy to convert America's young people into thoughtless worker drones makes no sense.

      I didn't say or mean to say that this/these programs had that agenda. Rather I think that is specifically not their agenda, though I don't know what it is otherwise... simple marketing?

      ... fuel a cycle of economic growth.

      == Ponzi scheme (that benefits you-know-who)

      ... what are you doing...?

      I don't have kids and not much influence on education otherwise, but I've mentored (twice-)gifted kids. People I call friends tend to be critical thinkers to the last man and I really find it frustrating talking with people who aren't, so I'd have to jump way outside my comfort zone to even begin to do something more. In any case there's precious little we can do to actually prevent that "predictable" behavior short of having another revolution (which as we should know is even then just a temporary band-aid that might last a generation if we were lucky). Our society is fully tolerant of and even encourages it. A populace dominated by critical thinkers might discourage it, but what civilization ever had that demographic?

  7. Re:10M students? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The BBC already did this back in 1982:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtMWEiCdsfc

    (Warning: Actual typing of computer code on TV...)

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  8. I expect a new book title out of this: by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    "Learn Ruby & Java While Being Shot Out of a Cannon for Complete Over-Caffeinated Morons."

    1. Re:I expect a new book title out of this: by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      "Learn by Doing - The Microsoft Approach to POSIX implementation"

    2. Re:I expect a new book title out of this: by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Can it be on the c2 dot com wiki as technical discussion, or is it personal?

  9. webCT by basecastula+ · · Score: 1

    WebCt.

  10. 1 week is more than enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Assuming the material is actually available, one week is more than enough for preparation. Most teachers do not have time for the kind of preparation you probably think they ought to do. I worked as a teacher for 5 years. Generally speaking, If I had a 1 hour class, I spent 1-3 hours on preparation. This was a fair bit more than most other teachers at the school who had more responsibilities than I did. Usually I tried to have my lessons prepared a week in advance, but more often than not, they were prepared 1-2 days in advance. No matter how much lead time you give the teachers, I guarantee that virtually nobody will look at it until a few days before. There just isn't enough time to do so.

    BTW, if you think this is ridiculous, you could probably vote to raise your taxes, have more money sent to the schools and insist that it is spent on hiring more teachers rather than on toys like iPads for every student. There is barely a subject in school that wouldn't benefit from ripping out all the technology in a classroom and replacing it with a blackboard and another teacher.

    1. Re:1 week is more than enough by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

      Just came to post this.

      Planning to teach a 1 hour lesson shouldn't take more than a few hours. A week is cutting it close, but there is still ample time to prep for the lesson.

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    2. Re:1 week is more than enough by dkf · · Score: 1

      Planning to teach a 1 hour lesson shouldn't take more than a few hours. A week is cutting it close, but there is still ample time to prep for the lesson.

      Assuming that all the teaching material (books, tests, electronic materials, etc.) is already there. It's the preparation of that which takes a long time, and which is why teaching at universities takes so much more time outside of actually giving the class; there's just much less opportunity to share materials, especially for anything vaguely close to cutting edge. That's why nearly everything in a normal school is not cutting edge; realistic time pressures simply don't allow it.

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    3. Re:1 week is more than enough by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      teachers do teach more than one lesson a week though.

    4. Re:1 week is more than enough by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but they've known about the other lessons all year long!

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  11. Re:10M students? by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but that was managed by a public-owned corporation.

    There are a few things that big business does excellently - like build an efficient workhouse in C19 England or C21 China, without letting pesky human dignity get in the way - but education has never been one of them.

  12. Re:10M students? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    Also "Making the most of the Micro": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7G2nyaHaoo

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  13. liberal bias by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    We need to let the educators of Texas and South Carolina vet these lessons to make sure there's no pro-gay, pro-Darwin or pro-Marxist agenda.

    I mean, what are we worried about here, that these lessons are going to make tech education in the US for K-12 worse?

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    1. Re:liberal bias by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      Shush dont mention Alan Turing

  14. "Self serving"? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    I think people tend to forget that the heart of compromise is to find something that BOTH sides benefit from in a transaction. It's not just the 800lb gorilla compelling someone.

    The schools/government want to promote computer education.
    Yes, the industry wants some nebulous increase in worker-drones some vague time in the future, but are being asked to invest resources from some very short-term balance sheets so yeah, I can see them wanting a tit-for-tat benefit in legislation today.*

    *and if the government is stupid enough to agree to a deal in which they don't get much, and the industry gets more, it just shows you who's got the better negotiators.

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  15. Sure by koan · · Score: 1

    If all the kids can code you can get away with paying them minimum wage.

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  16. Re:10M students? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

    The high school lesson plan doesn't even have to exist in order for some tech giants to score some political points.

    So, it's really "CS Education Weak"?

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  17. ...tech immigration reform... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    I've never seen a more sinister move by those that would renounce their U.S. Citizenship for pieces of silver.

  18. Two culture Re:Apt name by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    David Cameron and 99% of all UK politicians come from the Liberal arts tradition and in the UK there is a very high wall between us oily and greasy engineers and scientists and in Davids milieu there is a prejudice against "girly swots" which is why Boris Johnson plays the fool so much.

    The last time the Torys had a scientist was Mrs T and the rest of the party dont really want to go back to being hand bagged - its also why dodgy schemes like free schools get so much traction there are no politicians who will analys the suggested schemes properly.

  19. It's not political points by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    the corps are tired of paying top dollar for programmers. India generates all the .Net and SQL hacks they need, but guys that can write huge Big Data DB systems are still scarce enough they cost real money. Plus after 20 years of outsourcing as much as they can they're having a hard time getting people interested in a career that isn't there... So they're pouring money into making more programmers. They did the same with the Nursing industry and managed to drop wages there quite a bit.

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  20. Re:Lesson in theodp by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

    They won't even get that. Teachers who participate (it is optional, so no one is being forced to teach something with a week or less to prepare) can win prizes, and students who attend a follow-up course can win stuff for themselves. Sounds like bribery to me.

    Besides, I don't think it is important that things are incomplete, since the week designated is December 9-15. Plenty of time, and I don't think this qualifies as rushed.

    And, they probably won't do much in the way of actual code. "Designed as a game that teaches basic coding principles, it will feature guest lectures by technologists including Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg and artwork from popular games"

    There is a blurb at the CS education week site http://csedweek.org/ "No math needed. No computers either."

    "Weâ(TM)ll host a variety of hour-long tutorials
    on the http://csedweek.orgwebsite/ for
    students to doâ"some developed by
    Code.org, others developed by partner
    organizations. Many of the tutorials will be
    compatible with tablets and smartphones,
    and there will be some âoeunpluggedâ lessons
    that require no computer at all. "

    So you would have to at least preview each one to see which tutorial to show for that hour. Lots more time involved.

    One actual demo, "Blockly", is putting code blocks together like legos, and it isn't completely terrible.

    link

    Bookend with some talking heads, and you got an hour without talking or touching code.