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Connecting To Unsecured Bluetooth Car Systems To Monitor Traffic Flow

New submitter TheTerseOne writes "The Columbian, the local newspaper of Vancouver (not BC), Washington (not DC) is reporting that local county traffic officials plan on spending $540k of government money to monitor traffic by connecting to vehicles' Bluetooth systems (whose owners/drivers have left them discoverable). The county claims that, although this sounds 'creepy' and 'like Big Brother,' there is no cause for concern. The specific brand of the system is not mentioned, but similar systems have already been the subject of security alerts." County officials note that they are stripping out part of the MAC, and the system is intentionally designed not to be useful for law enforcement to locate specific devices.

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  1. Halifax too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Halifax just did the same thing (though only spent 43k). Only release was the tender process, and no acknowledgement after repeated requests for information.

    1. Re:Halifax too! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      In other news....

      Smart people start turning off the fscking bluetooth systems in their cars....

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    2. Re:Halifax too! by scream+at+the+sky · · Score: 2
      Calgary (Alberta, not Texas) has been doing this along major routes for a while, and it's fantastic. Road side signs give very accurate updates on the fly as to how long it will take to get to the next major landmark.

      Fantastic.

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    3. Re:Halifax too! by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like all of the computers in my car. If someone wants to gather anonymous data to make traffic better, I'm fine with that.

    4. Re:Halifax too! by amRadioHed · · Score: 2

      Why would they need to know statistics about bluetooth devices in cards? They see a bluetooth device at point A, then a little later see the same device at point B. d=rt, the distance and time are known so the rate of traffic can be easily determined.

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    5. Re:Halifax too! by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like all of the computers in my car. If someone wants to gather anonymous data to make traffic better, I'm fine with that.

      Right, because just like every other government tracking program, there's absolutely no way it will ever have its scope expanded to include warrant-less tracking/searches.

      Ever. Nothing to worry about, citizen, Big Brother loves you.

      Now back to your regularly scheduled broadcast of Everyone Loves Hypnotoad.

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    6. Re:Halifax too! by bws111 · · Score: 2

      They aren't 'port scanning' anything. They don't know your 'personal property' even exists. They are simply standing on a corner yelling 'anybody want to identify themselves'. If you don't want to identify yourself, don't answer. If you don't want your personal property to identiffy itself, instruct it not to answer.

    7. Re:Halifax too! by Falkentyne · · Score: 2

      How do we know when they occur? Will there be a Snowden-like person to leak things on a city, county, state etc.. level to let us know when our rights/privacy have been compromised? Please do tell when we're supposed to deal with a problem we don't know exists?

    8. Re:Halifax too! by adolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know what?

      I don't care.

      I really do not care. At all.

      Not a bit.

      I have nothing to hide in my daily travels, and I welcome this advancement in the field of traffic study. It is my hope that such technology can be used to make my driving experience better.

      I don't see the problem here. I normally don't give a hoot what they do with their data about what my radios broadcast on public ISM bands, nor how personalized it might be. If I do care, then I can always, you know, stop shouting to anyone in earshot at 2.4GHz about my whereabouts.

      And you know what? If you care all the time, you can elect to not shout your whereabouts as well: Stop traveling with active, transmitting 2-way radios. Done.

  2. Of course by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    County officials note that they are stripping out part of the MAC (of course they will), and the system is intentionally designed not to be useful for law enforcement to locate specific devices (of course it won't).

  3. CFAA? by cob666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Connecting to a computer system without the consent of the owner is still a violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and a felony the last time I checked.

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  4. Already being done in Vancouver, BC by Sean · · Score: 2

    If you don't want to be discovered with Bluetooth, don't leave your devices in discoverable mode!

  5. Slight misrepresentation... by Shoten · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It should be noted that they are not "connecting" to these devices, just cataloging the ones which announce their own presence. It's pretty fricking passive.

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  6. Sampling Bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Won't this introduce sampling bias, as non-Bluetooth cars are excluded from traffic monitoring? Highways with richer travelers will get more funding than the poor parts of town.

  7. eek, our jails will be full of police! by swschrad · · Score: 2

    on the other hand, reading the daily newspapers, maybe it's about time.

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  8. Bluetooth, shmoothooth by psydeshow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This seems really complicated. Why not just track the RFID signature generated by the various parts of the car which are tagged? Tires, replacement parts, items in the trunk, ID badges on the passengers....

  9. No need for concern? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Great. Install it in every politician's car.

    No need for concern, right? Or... got anything to hide?

    Personally, every time someone comes up with some "no need for concern" bull, I say let the politicians in charge be the first to use it. No need to be concerned about the power plant? Great, have the town council move in next to it. No need to be concerned about food? Great, put it on the menu for them. No need to be concerned about surveillance? Great, move politicians to the front row to be under scrutiny.

    If it was required to be used on them first, I'm pretty sure we'd have a lot fewer things not to be concerned about.

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  10. Washington State Law disagrees... by Scutter · · Score: 2

    Since it seems to meet the criteria of RCW 9A.52.110, I'd say every attempt to connect is a Class C Felony. However, at the very least, it's a misdemeanor.

    RCW 9A.52.110
    Computer trespass in the first degree.

    (1) A person is guilty of computer trespass in the first degree if the person, without authorization, intentionally gains access to a computer system or electronic database of another; and

              (a) The access is made with the intent to commit another crime; or

              (b) The violation involves a computer or database maintained by a government agency.

              (2) Computer trespass in the first degree is a class C felony.

    [1984 c 273 1.]

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    RCW 9A.52.120
    Computer trespass in the second degree.

    (1) A person is guilty of computer trespass in the second degree if the person, without authorization, intentionally gains access to a computer system or electronic database of another under circumstances not constituting the offense in the first degree.

              (2) Computer trespass in the second degree is a gross misdemeanor.

    [1984 c 273 2.]

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    RCW 9A.52.120
    Computer trespass in the second degree.

    (1) A person is guilty of computer trespass in the second degree if the person, without authorization, intentionally gains access to a computer system or electronic database of another under circumstances not constituting the offense in the first degree.

              (2) Computer trespass in the second degree is a gross misdemeanor.

    [1984 c 273 2.]

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    1. Re:Washington State Law disagrees... by jratcliffe · · Score: 2

      Well, it's definitely not a felony, since there's no intention to commit another crime, and this isn't a gov't database. As for it being a misdemeanor, you'd have to argue that noting down which systems are broadcasting their identification information somehow constitutes "without authorization, intentionally gain[ing] access to a computer system or electronic database of another." If they tried to access the information in your car's system, that would be one thing, but this is no different than just writing down license plates.