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Dolphins' Hunting Technique Inspires New Radar Device

minty3 writes "The twin inverted pulse radar (TWIPR) made by a team from the University of Southampton in England uses the same technique dolphins do to capture prey. Like dolphins, the device sends out two pulses in quick succession to cancel out background noise. The findings, published in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society A: Mathematical and Physical Sciences, explained how the device resembles the way dolphins send out two pulses in quick succession to cancel out background noise."

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  1. They mysteries and wonder by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Interesting

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    1. Re:They mysteries and wonder by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      Hmmm, looks like I need to find a spelling bee. ;D

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  2. Summary incorrect based on article by Jmc23 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The researcher did not actually investigate what it is that dolphins do, he thought of what they could possibly do.

    I would be more interested in finding out if this is actually the technique dolphins use or do they do something different?

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    1. Re:Summary incorrect based on article by TheLink · · Score: 2

      Yeah there are many other ways of "seeing" through bubbles. Like range-gated cameras/radar/sonar.

      That said I suspect dolphins mostly build a picture or even 3d model of the environment based on the perceived location of the reflections.

      For example, say there is someone talking right in front of you, but you can still listen and aurally locate people who are talking further away behind that person. Even if the person in front is talking loudly, as long as he's not way too loud you can still detect the position of the other talkers and know where they are in the room. And the crucial difference from simple echolocation - you're not timing the echoes to figure out the distance of the talkers - there are no echoes! And yet you know the distance and location of the talkers just from listening alone!

      So I think animal (including human) echolocation is an extension of this ability. They make sounds to produce "talkers" from the resulting echoes, and then they build a picture based on where the "talkers" are.

      For example if there is nobody "talking" in the room you could clap your hands (or click your tongue) and hear the location of the echoes in the room. With practice you can identify the rough shape of the room and even location of large objects.

      It's not a stretch to believe that first there was hearing ability, then the hearing ability was used to accurately locate noise making enemies, prey and objects. Then animal echolocation is just causing the silent objects "make noise" so they can locate them just the way they used to locate noisy objects from the sounds they make.

      I haven't investigated if this is what dolphins (or bats) really do either, but my bullshit is just as plausible right? If not more so, but I'm biased ;).

      But if they do things the way I describe it becomes obvious why the bubbles and background noises aren't necessarily big problem. In fact some background noises would just let you know the shape of the background without you needing to expend time and energy to "illuminate" them with your sonar.

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    2. Re:Summary incorrect based on article by rkww · · Score: 2

      The researcher did not actually investigate what it is that dolphins do, he thought of what they could possibly do. I would be more interested in finding out if this is actually the technique dolphins use or do they do something different?

      Following links to here we find:

      "As for the dolphin: while acting as an inspiration for the technology, Leighton and his team later discovered this was not how the animals' sonar worked. Dolphins also send out twin pulses, but theirs vary in amplitude, not polarity, he said."

  3. Just so I'm clear... by ArbitraryName · · Score: 3, Funny

    How many pulses do dolphins and this radar send, and what purpose does that serve?

    1. Re:Just so I'm clear... by plover · · Score: 3, Funny

      How many pulses do dolphins and this radar send, and what purpose does that serve?

      I'm sure it's all for a greater porpoise.

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    2. Re:Just so I'm clear... by Edis+Krad · · Score: 5, Funny

      The number of pulses and the purpose were written in the summary twice in quick succession, to remove background noise.

    3. Re:Just so I'm clear... by AAWood · · Score: 2

      You may think I accidentally copied your joke*. The truth is we made the same joke twice, in quick succession, to get through background noise.

      *(despite specifically looking through the replies to see if someone had already done it before I posted... how did I miss this?)

    4. Re:Just so I'm clear... by marcello_dl · · Score: 2

      But, sadly, background noise increased.

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  4. Any good EE already knows this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlated_double_sampling

  5. Re:Near Zero Information in the article by Longjmp · · Score: 2

    Well, the summary describes it:
    The radar "sends out two pulses in quick succession to cancel out background noise", like dolphins which "send out two pulses in quick succession to cancel out background noise".

    I also think that sending out two pulses in quick succession may cancel out background noise.

    *eyes rolling at 300 rpm*

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  6. Re:Near Zero Information in the article by mrbester · · Score: 2

    In this case the two pulses cancelled out the signal instead of the noise. Or the summariser is a relative of Foghorn Leghorn.

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  7. Re:Near Zero Information in the article by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

    > I expected much more description of what the concept meant and how it worked.

    Totally spit-balling but maybe it works like differential electrical signals. In short two signals inverted from each other, if there is any background noise it is canceled out when you subtract one signal from the other to get the desired waveform.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_signaling

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  8. Re:But does it... by aXis100 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only if the device sends out two pulses in quick succession, which resembles the way dolphins send out two pulses in quick succession to cancel out background noise.

  9. Re:Near Zero Information in the article by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Informative
    Follow the link and RTFM

    Radar clutter suppression and target discrimination using twin inverted pulses

    The proposition that the use of twin inverted pulses could enhance radar is tested. This twin inverted pulse radar (TWIPR) is applied to five targets. A representative target of interest (a dipole with a diode across its feedpoint) is typical of covert circuitry one might wish to detect (e.g. in devices associated with covert communications, espionage or explosives), and then distinguish from other metal (‘garbage’ or ‘clutter’), here represented by an aluminium plate and a rusty bench clamp. In addition, two models of mobile phones are tested to see whether TWIPR can distinguish whether each is off, on or whether it contains a valid SIM card. Given that a small, inexpensive, lightweight device requiring no batteries can produce a signal that is 50dB above clutter in this test, the options are discussed for using such technology for animal tagging or to allow the location and identification of buried personnel who opt to carry them (rescue workers, skiers in avalanche areas, miners, etc.). The results offer the possibility that buried catastrophe victims not carrying such tags might still be located by TWIPR scattering from their mobile phones, even when the phones are turned off or the batteries have no charge remaining.

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  10. OMG I read the article... by faffod · · Score: 2

    Reading the summary I was wondering if this would have any applications to improve detection of stealth aircraft. So I *gulp please don't mod me to oblivion* read the article. It's light on details, but not what I expected from the summary. The guy was able to build a sonar, followed by a radar that is able to distinguish between different materials. It's potential uses are for detecting explosives hidden in rubble and such, and for finding buried victims after some form of disaster (specifically homing in on their phones and other such devices). Oh, and it's cheap, if you know what you're doing you can build it for two bucks.

  11. a 50 year old technique by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to do something similar with unterminated co-ax cables for baseline subtraction. A box car integrator is short pulsewidth sampler. If one's baseline is large and fluctuating the traditional and expensive way to remove this is double pulse correlated subtraction. Which is nothing more that sampling things twice in succession and subtracting. Unfortunately that's not only expensive in terms of fast rececovery integrator hardware, but if you do it digitally it's got a small difference of large numbers problem as well. The clever way to do this is you don't terminate the coax on the integrator but rather extend the coax past it for a few feet, then leave it unterminated. The pulses thus fly past the integrator which can sample as usual, then 6 nanoseconds later an inverted reflection off the unterminated end pass the sampler in the opposite direction. Anything with fluctuation slower than 6 nanoseconds cancels out before the integrator can make the measurement. It's perfect and costs nothing. You dial in the timing with the coax length which is roughly a foot for every 2 nanoseconds.

    Here they are doing this relying on the rephasing from the impedance mismatch of the reflecting object types being different. People who do FM lidar do something similar. It's an old old technique. probably dates back to the invention of coax.

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  12. There are also other ways to do some of this. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the things described was comparing returns from a positive and a negative pulse, to detect the presence of rectification. Good idea, but...

    There is another way to do that, which I believe is much more sensitive: Send the pulse on one frequency, listen for the return on a harmonic. Only nonlinear devices (mainly semiconductor junctions - constructed or accidental, like corroded metal joints) will produce the harmonic reflection.

    This is how the "bury diodes in the drywall" bug works. The diode(s) sends a strong second harmonic reflection, essentially nothing else does. When the wall moves slightly, due to ambient sound it, varies the length of the transmitter-diode-receiver path, phase modulating the harmonic signal with the audio signal.

    Because only change in phase matters, many diodes in the wall don't interfere with each other, but combine their randomly-phased reflections to make the wall more reflective (just like OFDM reception improving when you have multipath "interference").

    "Illluminate" the building with a stable microwave carrier and listen to the second harmonic (shifted down) with an FM receiver - recovering the sound from the room adjacent to the diode-doped wall. Nothing to it.

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  13. Re:Near Zero Information in the article by Longjmp · · Score: 2

    Since none of the articles explains technical details, I can only speculate about the dolphins (which is more interesting anyway).
    If their second "click" is used as a reference signal, i.e., the signal itself, not its echo, it could be used not only to invert the first signal and filter out the noise, but also give information about the distance:
    Depending on when the reflected echo comes in - delayed (and overlaid) - to the reference (second) signal it would also account for the distance of the target.

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  14. Re:Prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wonder if that's patentable since there's clearly prior art on nature then...

    Easy, you just sequence the dolphins DNA and patent that.

  15. Human echolocation experient by advid.net · · Score: 2

    [...] you could clap your hands (or click your tongue) and hear the location of the echoes in the room. With practice you can identify the rough shape of the room and even location of large objects.

    I suggest the /.ers to try this experiment, it's fun.

    Best results in the dark, during a quiet night so you won't hear much background noise, yet close your eyes.
    Snap your fingers while walking slowly (short whistle also works).

    If you do this walking down a corridor, then you will guess where are the doors, the coats hanging, the turns and crossing very easily.