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Microsoft Makes It Harder To Avoid Azure

itwbennett writes "Earlier this week, Microsoft rolled out a handful of hybrid cloud services that make it easy for businesses to start using Azure in a small way. What struck blogger Nancy Gohring about the announcement was 'how deeply Microsoft is integrating Azure into other products,' with the intention of moving long-time customers onto Azure in ways that are hardly perceptible to them."

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  1. What is old is new by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everyone leasing time to run their applications and access their data. Like it or not, welcome back to the mainframe age folks, just with more shine and color.

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    1. Re:What is old is new by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Hey. Let's copy this iCloud thing. Copying SalesForce and Amazon aren't driving Microsoft into a leadership position, as we'd hoped..."

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    2. Re:What is old is new by recoiledsnake · · Score: 3, Informative

      Does iCloud let you provision a Linux VM server in minutes?

      http://www.hanselman.com/blog/content/binary/Windows-Live-Writer/550abded8a10_CEC4/image_17.png

      Perhaps you're thinking of Skydrive.

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    3. Re:What is old is new by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      welcome back to the mainframe age

      First it was big bloated servers; then big bloated clients, and now it's big bloated servers, clients, and users.

    4. Re:What is old is new by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Funny

      ... and CEOs.

    5. Re:What is old is new by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

      That's blow hard, not blow-ted.

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    6. Re:What is old is new by cybrthng · · Score: 2

      It's not very locked in at all. Anyone moving to the cloud will use SCCM, Chef, Ansible, Puppet or whatever desired state config system and provisioning platform they want and provision & deploy environments on demand. You simply run your Windows / Linux VM's or deploy your apps to the app services and scale out as needed. If you get tired of azure or find something cheaper, you edit your provisioning & deployment to deploy elsewhere.

  2. WTF is Azure? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, I don't use any Microsoft products so I have no idea what Azure is supposed to be. A small description or at the very least a link to Wikipedia should have been at the beginning of your text, itwbennett.

    1. Re:WTF is Azure? by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      same here, i have not used microsoft since windows 2000 pro, and never bought any Apple products, if you seen the beat up old 686 i use you would laugh, but it keeps chugging along on Linux just fine

      Then clearly this story is not for you.
      Move on. No need to weigh in with yet another "me neither" post.

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    2. Re:WTF is Azure? by Scarletdown · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's Microsoft's implementation of MobileMe, only it doesn't work as well.

      You probably should have included a link to the Wikipedia entry on MobileMe.

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  3. Options are good but... by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    Who in their right mind would throw down that kind of recurring cash for Azure?

    Modern hardware is insanely capable, reliable and cheap. Our Internet pipes are as cheap and fat as ever... This leaves me to scratch my head on justification for this.

    You still need "IT" people to manage clients and access environment even if servers are hosted elsewhere. We have four racks of Windows and Linux systems running for years with only minimal maintenance. If you don't buy complete crap shit just runs.

    If people see value in this so be it good for them... Just hope there are options to "export" accounts back "on premise" once your source of limitless funding dries up.

    1. Re:Options are good but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      We have four racks of Windows and Linux systems running for years with only minimal maintenance. If you don't buy complete crap shit just runs.

      It's certainly possible to run a data center like a well-oiled machine. You do need to make the right investments, and also invest in the right people to run it.

      On the other hand, a lot of companies want to concentrate on their actual business and leave the running of the data center to the people that are experts at it -- especially if it can be done on the cheap. Some companies start small on a single idea and are unprepared for how popular their idea or service might be and unable to scale to match demand. These are very legit reasons to turn to Azure (and competitors).

      Who in their right mind would throw down that kind of recurring cash for Azure?

      Actually on the cost front is where Azure (and other cloud competitors) beat the pants off running your own DC. Remember those machines actually cost money, which is amortized and shows up on the balance sheet. You need to spec for your max traffic -- you can't load-balance capacity spikes at will like you can in the cloud. You need to pay staff to run the data center. So you see, recurring costs are common to both cloud and on-premise solutions.

      Control of your own data, and lock-in to a single solution is a different matter. That's where some companies are either avoiding the cloud or going for hybrid approaches. But that's a whole other conversation. On the cost front your comment misses the mark completely.

    2. Re:Options are good but... by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Control of your own data, and lock-in to a single solution is a different matter.

      Actually, I think this is what TFA is about. Buy part of your infrastructure from Microsoft and you'll find yourself sliding towards Azure. The people who have a good handle on their IT operations might be able to avoid this. But it appears that the target is those who just trust the Microsoft brand without a plan in place. Microsoft products are a lot like roach motels. Once the data goes in, it never comes out again. 'Out' being to a non Microsoft platform.

      On the cost front your comment misses the mark completely.

      Maybe, maybe not. This is how drug dealers work. The stuff they sell to the school kids is cheap. Once they are hooked, the price goes up.

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  4. Re:Cloud OS by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The big item in today's announcement is the automated backup to the cloud of "data" on your in house server.

    There are a lot of small businesses that are running naked with minimal or haphazard backup. If they can get this
    widely accepted they will be doing those people a favor.

    But then there is this:

    Microsoft makes a point of noting that the data is encrypted on site at the customer’s premise before it is sent to Azure and the customer retains and manages the encryption key.

    One has to assume the "Customer retains and manages one copy of the many encryption keys" that can decrypt their data.
    Microsoft's crypt APIs are all back-doored to the NSA.

    True, most small businesses probably don't care all that much, as long as they can get their data back.
    But I would still opt for local and off site storage in physical media before trusting a company with Microsoft's
    track record.

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  5. Bing by Frankie70 · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:Bing by QilessQi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Very informative, thanks... but what's "bing"?

    2. Re:Bing by sconeu · · Score: 4, Funny

      Duh... it's what EVERYONE uses.... Don't you watch Hawaii Five-0?

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    3. Re:Bing by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2
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  6. Two simple steps to avoid being locked into Azure by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1) Do not use Microsoft products
    2) Rinse and repeat

    Don't tell me it's unavoidable because that's bullshit. There is always a choice, you are just too comfortable and/or inflexible to use an alternative.

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  7. Cloud Backup and Single Sign-In Services by adisakp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The are using Azure to provide cloud backup (and Azure active directory syncing) and Single Sign-In Services. It's not so much making Azure hard to avoid but actually providing useful utility near seamlessly in Azure.

  8. Azure is marketing hype for the Cloud by onyxruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The cloud is the most hyped word that IT has ever come endured. It is nothing more than the old concept of the mainframe to centralize resources to a given location. People replaced that with thin clients and again it was nothing more than a way to centralize resources to a given location. Now we have the cloud and we are centralizing resources to a given location.

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like duck it must be a duck. Azure and other cloud variants are nothing more than attempts to move everyone to the cloud (and encourage outsourcing of services). However the cloud doesn't even mean a third party provider anymore. You can get a cloud provider to put their cloud services in your own facilities (Amazon and Microsoft Azure both support doing this). It's really nothing more than the old architecture diagram model for saying "the network" that got hijacked by marketing departments.

    All your doing with the cloud is putting resources in a given location. It might be your location, Amazon's, Rack Spaces or any other providers. That's it, there's nothing magical about it. Therefore all Azure is doing is making it easy to put resources in another location. This is something that IT professionals have been doing for over 40 years, changing the name make it special.

  9. Trainwreck waiting to happen by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who in their right mind would throw down that kind of recurring cash for Azure?

    Modern hardware is insanely capable, reliable and cheap.

    More to the point, who would bet that kind of cash, and their corporate health and/or reputation, on Microsoft? Case in point, the 7 hour outage on the London Stock Exchange, blamed on Microsoft's Tradelect electronic trading platform. Microsoft was trying to ramp the system up to 10,000 messages/second at that point, a pitifully small number compared to contemporary platforms based on Linux. Not only was Microsoft unable to achieve even remotely respectable performance, they were unable to design and implement a system that could resist catastrophic failure, or when it did fail, bring it back up in less than a day. One can reasonably ask, did Microsoft ever test the failure modes of this system, even once? And what does this say about the efficacy of the .NET + MSQL database platform this was built on?

    As a direct result of this incident, LSE decided to replace the Microsoft system with a Linux-based platform developed in Sri-Lanka, presumably by competent engineers not harrassed by the likes of Steve Ballmer.

    What are the chances of the Tradelect fiasco playing out again on Microsoft's cloud platform? I would say, virtually 100%. Everybody who wants the equivalent of having their business model towed back to shore after suffering the Microsoft effect, please raise your hand and repeat: please, can I have some more of that!

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    1. Re:Trainwreck waiting to happen by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't kid yourself, TradElect was a poster child for Microsoft's server and tools strategy. The project was swarming with Microsoft engineers. But you don't have to believe me, the financial industry rightly perceived Accenture as Microsoft's sock puppet.

      Actually, this was an all too rare case of the industry dumping the blame where it belonged: squarely in Microsoft's lap. Not that Accenture deserves any praise mind you.

      What makes this whole story especially sweet is the way Microsoft crowed about its LSE win. Not surprisingly, Microsoft pulled down http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/facts/default.mspx long ago, but the net remembers it.

      Since that fiasco, Microsoft's presence in financial platforms immediately dropped to zero. We can be thankful for that, and it demonstrates clearly where the industry thinks the blame lies.

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    2. Re:Trainwreck waiting to happen by Tough+Love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let me try to explain this in simple terms for you. People do not blame Linux for Knight's trading losses because they do not believe the error had nothing to do with Linux. People do blame Microsoft for the LSE outage because they believe it had everything to do with Microsoft.

      Note: the famous seven hour outage not the first, there were three others before it, all coinciding with high volume. Not particularly high volume compared to contemporaneous Linux platforms, but apparently too high for the Microsoft platform.

      Incidentally, when LSE decided to eject the Microsoft platform, they also ejected the executive who brought in the Microsoft platform in the first place. Something to keep in mind for any exec contemplating going with Microsoft for a critical application.

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  10. Same tactics for lots of businesses by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As they say, if you're not leading you're following. By doing these kinds of tie-ins, MSFT is trying to position themselves as innovative but Azure, while good isn't on par with other Cloud services that cost less and deliver more. What'll be really sad is when customers realize that MSFT will start locking them out of using other Cloud solutions because they "cause problems with Windows Server" or "We don't support the use of product x on an untested Cloud solution." That is the way this usually pans out and eventually if you want to use MSFT Server products with "Cloud" that will mean Azure. Usually after that the anti-trust hawks start suing, so I have 2015 in the pool when Amazon, Rackspace and a couple of other Cloud providers sue MSFT for anti-competitive practices.

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  11. Re:Cloud OS by onyxruby · · Score: 2

    Microsoft's crypt APIs are all back-doored to the NSA.

    Citation please

  12. Confirmed by Azure+Flash · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can confirm that I am now much more difficult to avoid.

  13. Re:Cloud OS by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Put down the tinfoil hat and join the real world. You haven't got a citation because it's only something you want to believe and has no basis in reality. What's next, claiming that Linux has a backdoor for the NSA and that Linus Torvalds is on their payroll?

    If something like what you claim existed Snowden would have dumped it along with the rest. It would have been revealed and Microsoft stock would have taken a massive multi-billion dollar hit from the news. All that kind of talk does it make you sound like a crazy conspiracy theory nut.

  14. icloud runs on Azure.. by cybrthng · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Last i checked Apple actually uses azure for some of its cloud offering. It's been that way since 2011.. or maybe longer..