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Apple Converting Trial and Pirated iWork, iLife and Aperture To Full Versions

tlhIngan writes "One aspect about the new OS X Mavericks release was that all Apple produced software was to be downloadable and updatable through the Mac App Store. However, this raises the obvious question: what happens to users who bought the software beforehand? Initial reports showed that the Mac App Store scanned your hard drive for software and offered to associate it with your Apple ID. The scans even found trial and pirated versions and upgraded those to fully-licensed versions. Even more interestingly, this is not a bug, and it appears Apple is turning a blind eye to the practice, giving away copies of iLife, iWork and Aperture to users who own trial or even pirated versions of the apps. Apple has also recently stopped providing downloadable trial versions of iLife, iWork and Aperture from their web site."

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  1. Not a Dick Move by DexterIsADog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Good job, Apple. This will likely increase revenue from some of those whom you make legit, and will warm the hearts of some who, like me, despise all things Apple. Well, a little less today.

    1. Re:Not a Dick Move by flimflammer · · Score: 2

      Do hardware manufacturers provide refunds to people who paid full price for hardware when it came out, as the price gradually goes lower and lower?

      Should they?

    2. Re:Not a Dick Move by axis_omega · · Score: 2

      What lost sales? they wouldn't got that money in the first place ! I applaud the move. You got a pirated application that you really use. Now you are bind to them. And for every update that cost a little you will have to pay. So they could in theory get some money (back) from a non (and never would) paying pirate^^^^^^ person.
      In the process they get to know how much of their applications gets pirated versus legitimate copies. They probably get stats from the hardware used other related stuff like software, age gender, etc. So it can be cross analyze to target the right group of customer.

      It is the most evil scheme ever imagined !

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    3. Re:Not a Dick Move by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's only a dick move to the people who actually bought copies of that software.

      So, if I understand you correctly, I'm supposed to get worked up into a tizzy because I paid $10 for Keynote, got years of use out of it, and am now getting a free upgrade to the next version, simply because software pirates and people who are shelling out hundreds of dollars for new machines are also getting that free upgrade?

      To put it bluntly, I have better things to do with my life than worry about such things (e.g. responding to Anonymous Cowards on /,), and, honestly, I won't begrudge someone else a good turn of events if I feel like I was treated fairly, which I was. But if you are worked up over something like this, then yes, to answer your question, Apple does offer refunds, so go and get your refund and be happy with everyone else this affects. I know I am, since I'll be getting years more of use out of a great piece of software, all for $10 spent years ago.

      That was money well spent.

    4. Re:Not a Dick Move by DexterIsADog · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure you're correct about the implication, but even if you are, the store offers to associate the software with the Apple ID, it doesn't force one to do it. And if that lets Apple track users, well, that's part of their walled garden ecosystem, I imagine most Apple customers are used to it.

      But as for tracking *me*, no, they're not, because I do not buy Apple products.

      My comment was about the smart move to bring wayward users into the fold, instead of shunning them or going after them with lawsuits. Surely you think a voluntary non-lawsuit option is better than a lawsuit, no?

  2. Re:Shame about intel mac pros by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Informative

    two generations of Mac pros is kind of vague. :) Last gen mac pro came out in 2010.

    mac pros as of early 2008 are supported by Mavericks.

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  3. Re:Shame about intel mac pros by Rosyna · · Score: 4, Informative

    Current versions of Mac OS X require 64-bit EFI. The original Mac Pros only had 32-bit EFI. Mountain Lion does not have a 32-bit kernel and will not load 32-bit drivers in kernel space (kexts). If you replace the graphics card in the original Mac Pro with one that has a 64-bit driver, you can install Mountain Lion on the original MacPro1,1.

    See http://www.jabbawok.net/?p=47 for instructions.

  4. Brilliant by deathcloset · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Piracy Edition (Piracy being assumed as the natural, efficient and convenient way to get software over the internet). It's working for Adobe, despite glacial user acceptance and strong vociferous opposition.

    Step 1) entering product categories involving widely used standards: In this case we look at the "product category" as "minimal effort and cost software downloads" - what everyone lovingly calls digital piracy.

    Step 2) extending those standards with proprietary capabilities: Beat-out the pirates on even the 'minimal effort' part by not requiring a crack, key or navigation of noisy comments for affirmation of operation/safety and worry of nested nasty bits in your bytes. Also the cost is actually less, since it's free of money and of questionable legitimacy.

    Step 3) using those differences to disadvantage its competitors: No more trial downloads to easily crack, deeper mechanisms for software updates coupled with the ability to release consitent and constant updates which actually contain scoped functionality thereby daunting the crackers and hackers with new security mechanisms and version hell which results in a saturation of the pirate space with even more questionable softwares with varying levels of functionality/stability thus severly diminishing the causual pirate's desire and ability to identify and use the software they wish.

    Brilliant. It works. Now I have to pay ;) (I, personally, have a personal moral stance which makes me inevitably wind up paying for, conservatively, %50 of the software I download - because it is the software I actually like or use and YES, believe it or not I actually want to pay programmers to write stuff!).

    Still, it seems like there is another shoe to drop here. Now to read everyone else's comments for that shoe.

    1. Re:Brilliant by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      The weird bit is Aperture. And not Final Cut X (apparently, FTFA). Aperture has been billed as the 'pro' photography app although it's a bit of a lightweight compared with Adobe (may their souls rot in a maggot infested camel turd) offerings. Likewise Final Cut X - although it acts more like a prosumer app than the previous versions of Final Cut and doesn't do half what Premiere Pro / After Effects does (nor does it cost as much).

      If Apple opens up Final Cut to this system, then it's pretty clear that Apple is dropping the high end photography / graphics professionals (all two dozen left) for the much larger, potentially more lucrative 'prosumer' market. Which makes me wonder who, if anyone, is planning on buying the Darth Trashcan when it is available.

      That's because Apple is upgrading those apps that came out on CD. Aperture was, at one point distributed on CD. As was iWork and iLife. The products contained in them are continuations.

      Final Cut Pro X is a complete rewrite of Final Cut Pro, and depending on who you ask, better and worse. But as it's a new product, it doesn't get the "upgrade" treatment. Ditto Logic.

      Anyhow, you'd get a bunch of angry people if their Final Cut Pro got upgraded to FCP X. (And the old FCP is still available from Apple, because there's still lots of people using them and they need additional licenses)

    2. Re:Brilliant by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      "although it acts more like a prosumer app than the previous versions of Final Cut and doesn't do half what Premiere Pro / After Effects does"

      Oh god that is funny. Premier pro is a JOKE in the pro video world, the only people that use it are wedding videographers and kiddies on youtube. The current Final Cut is back to what Final cut 8/9 was like but with a lot of good stuff added.

      a LOT of TV shows are edited in Avid, Vegas, and Final Cut, ZERO are edited on Premiere Pro. Premiere Pros Color corrector is horrible at best, etc...

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  5. Win8 upgrade did the same. by Holammer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I bought Win8 using a pirated Win7. I suspect MS turned a blind eye as well, as my poorly cracked copy constantly nagged about being counterfeit software etc.

    1. Re:Win8 upgrade did the same. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Microsoft has never really cared about pirated software. They seem to be one of the only companies that actually gets that it's impossible to stop piracy, so you shouldn't waste time bothering. The worst they do is to display a little nagware notice on a black desktop to say that the software isn't "genuine". They don't prevent you from accessing your files or running things. Prior to Windows 95, MS-DOS didn't even have any copy protection checks or license keys. Considering how many PCs run their products, it's clearly not an entirely bad thing.

      I'm running a single $15 copy of Windows 8 Pro "upgrade" (it's actually the full version) on two laptops right now. Updates and everything work fine on both.

    2. Re:Win8 upgrade did the same. by CitizenCain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You don't have that quite right.

      Microsoft's licensing model is such that they make vastly more from OEM and corporate sales than from end-consumer OS purchases. It's not that they don't care about piracy, (remember all that shit around activating Vista and 7, and WGA causing problems for legit users?) it's more that the sliver of income they get from consumer OS purchases isn't worth devoting resources to protect from piracy.

  6. Spot the Real Dick by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple is now providing it for free. Do the people who bought it get refunds?

    I don't know. Is Apple able to go back in time and prevent you from deriving any use of the products until today?

    For anyone that bought anything fairly recently, Apple does provide refunds...

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  7. Same Train by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Apple is now providing it for free. Do the people who bought it get refunds?

    You can't, it's free also. Why would you want to pay more than nothing?

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  8. iTunes Match by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Same sort of thing happened with iTunes match. It scans your whole music library (legal or otherwise) and gives you high bit rate versions of all your tracks in the cloud (and available to download permanently, even if you don't renew).

  9. iWork isn't bad for home use... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I sold my last company in 2010. I bought a new MacBook Pro and decided to get iWork as it was far cheaper than Office. I needed to write a formal letter here and there, keep track of Farm expenses on a spreadsheet, and create presentations for start ups I was mentoring at a local technology incubator. Only thing that annoyed me slightly was having to buy the programs again for iOS. I felt if I bought them for mac they should have offered the iOS versions as part of the price.

    Well then one of the companies I was mentoring started to take off and it went from mentoring to consulting to now being offered an executive position with the company. They were all Mac users as well, but that's when we found the problem with iWork. While documents synced between our own devices, Apple doesn't offer iCloud for small businesses where we could all sync to a company drive. Ironically to solve this we went to Microsoft SkyDrive and then eventually to Office365.

    I still use iWork, especially Keynote for developing internal reports & presentations. As bad as this may sound, it's because I have a water proof case for my iPad and it's in my shower. That's where I often have my best ideas and it's handy to write them down, or go threw a presentation or write a todo list.

    Where this is nice is for my Dad who now gets an office suite free with the latest version of the OS that will do everything he needs.

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    1. Re:iWork isn't bad for home use... by jbolden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apple does offer syncing for small businesses: http://www.apple.com/osx/server/

      Not only that they offer an almost no setup hardware bundle: http://www.apple.com/mac-mini/server/

    2. Re:iWork isn't bad for home use... by jbolden · · Score: 2

      You can deploy OSX server to "the cloud" if you want. For example: http://xcloud.me/

  10. If only I were less organized! by Holladon · · Score: 2

    Dammit -- now I regret deleting the trial version after my trial period expired. Why oh why did I care about the disk space?

    1. Re:If only I were less organized! by amazeofdeath · · Score: 2

      What's the problem? iWork and iLife suites are free now. Or do you mean Aperture?

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    2. Re:If only I were less organized! by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      They're free if you have a trial, legacy or pirate version on your system. If you don't have any of those, then the store prompts you to buy them. They are bundled free with new Macs though, and up until this announcement they were available as trial downloads from Apple, so most Apple customers probably have at least one of those options.

  11. This was a pleasant surprise by sjgman9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I bought iWork 09 several years ago (before the app store existed) and was surprised to see it upgraded on one of my laptops!
    Thanks Apple!

    1. Re:This was a pleasant surprise by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      You can turn off automatic updates (I believe they are off by default actually - the default is simply to download new stuff automatically and offer to install it).

      Your final point... well. I think I have some tinfoil around here to put on my head so I can get properly dressed for that level of argument.

  12. Of course by mosb1000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you have it, then you're using a mac one way or another. They want you using the latest software. The more people who use it the more benefit they get in terms mac or iDevice sales. They've already spent the money writing the software so they can sell more hardware. There is practically no marginal cost for distributing it.

  13. Excellent! by Denis+Lemire · · Score: 2

    I originally purchased iWork '09 via boxed media... When the App Store started distributing the individual apps, I preferred this for the convenience of downloading vs inserting a disc like a caveman.

    Eventually I ended up re-purchasing Pages and Numbers for this convenience but have not forked over the dollars for Keynote as of yet... With this recent change, I dusted off my iWork disc and made the leap to the App Store version of Keynote for free.

    It's always refreshing when paying customers aren't assumed to be thieves.

  14. My God!!! by Identita · · Score: 4, Funny

    One company finally gets it!!!

  15. Apple has MSFT running scared with this. by mosb1000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You wouldn't happen to work for Microsoft would you? It seems like I've heard this before. . .

    I've been using the new versions since they came out. They have more features than the previous versions, not fewer. As far as I can tell, there's no reason to use Office anymore, and I doubt I will. And from the sounds of it, the decision makers at Microsoft are very scared of this update. They are doing everything they can to devalue it.

  16. Re: Ok then by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple is a hardware company and now don't make money on OSes not sold with the hardware so what makes you think they'd want to shoot themselves in the foot? You can install what you want on a mac but osx is mac simply because they just want to sell hardware. If you want freely installable unix software use Linux. There's nothing wrong with it.

  17. Re:Identity Play by jythie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It could be less about the value of your ID, and more about trying to get people into the fold. Not only would this likely simplify the development and testing (thus decrease the cost of deployment) but it could generate some good will and keep people using the Apple stack. And since Apple is more a hardware and media company then a software one, getting people to pay for their software is probably a relatively low priority, esp when it might be in conflict with the other two major ones.

  18. This is not what the FSF meant by pouar · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is not what the FSF meant when they said free software

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  19. iWork '13 is crippled by GrahamCox · · Score: 5, Informative

    Beware about jumping on this too soon. iWork '13 on the Mac has many features *FEWER* than the previous version, to bring it more in line with the iOS version. A lot of people seem pretty annoyed by this, and who can blame them? I guess the good news is that the older version is moved aside, not deleted by the upgrade.

  20. Re:Identity Play by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

    Sounding a little tin-foil there... The way I see it, Microsoft has been burned repeatedly by their activation servers returning false positives and identifying legit software as pirated. Apple's biggest marketing claim is "it just works", so they really want to avoid that sort of negative publicity. On top of that, there's the administrative cost of dealing with customer claims. How much staff time would be required to deal with complaints and update records? Letting the pirates off the hook, and gifting a freebie to a bunch of folk that had installed the trial version but had presumably decided that it wasn't worth upgrading anyway... well, that's an "opportunity cost", but dealing with customer complaints is a bookable cost.

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