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Surface Pro 2 Gets Significant Battery Boost

SmartAboutThings writes "The original Surface Pro didn't have quite a good battery life and that's why Microsoft tried to fix this with the Surface Pro. After the Surface Pro 2 has hit general availability, Microsoft has silently pushed out a firmware update which, according to some new battery benchmarks run by Anandtech, made significant improvements to the battery life of the Surface Pro 2. After the new web browsing battery life test it was discovered that the Surface Pro 2 now manages better battery life than the ARM Surface 2, which is pretty impressive. With the firmware update, Microsoft was targeting over 8 hours, and AnadTech's benchmarks show Microsoft has succeeded, registering a 25% increase in battery life over the no-firmware version. The unpatched Surface Pro 2 lasted for 6.68 hours while with the firmware update installed, its battery life increased to 8.33 hours. The video playback test involved playing a movie until the battery died, and here, albeit smaller, improvements with the battery life have also been noticed: 7.73 hours compared to 6.65 hours."

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  1. Subjects in comments are stupid by hjf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ah, Surface. The tablet that "could", but won't.
    Not because it can't. No, because the Web 2.0 won't let it. It doesn't matter if it's good. It doesn't matter if its x86 and is able to run your programs. It doesn't matter if it has gobs of RAM and a ton of disk space, and it can do real multitasking. Oh yes, and it's faster than your silly android tablet which is mostly an Angry Birds or Candy Crush machine.

    No.

    It's microsoft. It's not Android. And it's definitely not Apple.

    It's a shame. It's a nice tablet. Too bad its destiny is decided by "geeky" douchebag-hipsters. Just like the Zune, which, regardless of how much the Zune store sucked, it was shot by iFans mostly because it was brown.

    1. Re:Subjects in comments are stupid by dido · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Its destiny was not decided by "geeky douchebag hipsters" but by Microsoft. Explain the value proposition in paying US$1000 for an x86 tablet when there are ultrabooks with comparable specs that can be had for almost half the price. Honestly, I'd actually consider buying a Surface Pro, if it were priced at maybe $500-600. Microsoft priced themselves out of the market. They are not and will never be Apple, no matter how much Ballmer wishes otherwise. It's like Toyota marketing a sports car under the Toyota name, with Ferrari prices.

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    2. Re:Subjects in comments are stupid by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's a shame. It's a nice tablet

      Agreed. I have a Surface Pro. It's my primary computer for everything, whether I'm at my desk at the office, on the train, at an airport or in a hotel room.

    3. Re: Subjects in comments are stupid by dido · · Score: 3

      The "waycom pen and touchscreen" is the only thing you listed which I don't get with a $600 ultrabook, and it definitely isn't worth the $400 difference to me. I make no pretense of being some kind of artist, and my pointing device needs are more than served by a $10 mouse or a built-in trackpad thank you very much. And I think it's cute how you missed the whole point of the obligatory car analogy.

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    4. Re:Subjects in comments are stupid by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the Surface RT. Lots of product line confusion that they didn't see coming.

    5. Re:Subjects in comments are stupid by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its destiny was not decided by "geeky douchebag hipsters" but by Apple. Explain the value proposition in paying US$600 for a iPad tablet when there are tablets with comparable specs that can be had for almost half the price. Honestly, I'd actually consider buying an iPad, if it were priced at maybe $300. Apple priced themselves out of the market

    6. Re:Subjects in comments are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would say that you've restated his exact point. People buy iPads, even if they are more expensive, because Apple's premium is considered worth it (by some). People don't buy the Surface Pro because (almost) nobody thinks Microsoft's premium is worth it.

    7. Re:Subjects in comments are stupid by dido · · Score: 2

      Well, there is a value proposition in the $550 iPad 3 for many people, enough people for Apple to profitably sell it at that price point. Some folks find it easier to use, with more apps they care about, and so forth. Enough that they're willing to pay the $150 premium over the Nexus 10. I personally don't consider the premium worth it, but enough other people do, and that makes all the difference. Apple is making something that people want, at a price they feel is fair.

      Let's see, one of the first hits on Amazon for a core i5 ultrabook is this, at $584.98, as opposed to $1088.99 for the Surface Pro. It has a Core i5 processor, same as the Surface Pro, also runs Windows 8, same as the Surface Pro. It has 500 GB of storage as opposed to only 128 GB on the Surface Pro. It weighs 3.96 lbs as opposed to only 2 lbs for the Surface Pro, its touchscreen probably isn't as good as the Surface Pro's, and the Surface Pro's screen resolution is higher at 1920x1080 vs. 1366x768 for the VivoBook, and perhaps the battery lasts longer, but that's about it. Frankly, I don't care about these advantages enough to pay $504.01 for them, and I frankly haven't heard any convincing arguments anywhere to justify that huge, huge price difference. I could buy two VivoBooks for just a little over the price of one Surface Pro! The fact that they don't seem to be selling very much either makes me believe that more people have my opinion than disagree. Microsoft is perhaps making something some people might want, but at a price they cannot really justify.

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    8. Re: Subjects in comments are stupid by geoskd · · Score: 2

      Don't take buying advice from this guy. Microsoft is not the Toyota of hardware, they have always made good PC hardware, not to mention that Toyota isn't really a low quality brand either, I'd bet you get more miles out of a Toyota sports car than a Ferrari. The pro costs 1000$ because its more useful than the ultrabooks in its spec. class and its more portable. A full desktop OS, keyboard, touchpad, waycom pen and touchscreen than you can carry around easily, there aren't many ultra books that offer that, if any.

      They are like the Toyota of software though: mainstream, comfortable, but with some annoying quirks. The gear-heads want something faster, and are willing to tinker. Those with real money have something custom built to their satisfaction. For everyone else there's Toyota.

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  2. Slow night? by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 4, Funny

    I like these things, hell, I bought one. I've often been accused of being a Microsoft shill on these pages, but even I think this is too dull a story for the front page.

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    1. Re:Slow night? by ericloewe · · Score: 2

      It only fixes a Wi-Fi bug, it seems. Effectively, a driver update.

      The original Surface Pro probably uses a different Wi-Fi adapter (or simply a different revision) and thus has a different driver that wasn't affected.

  3. How? wheres the downside? by danknight48 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pointless article, no offence.

    News = "You now get more chicken in the supermarket for less £££"
    Actual Facts (what this needs) = "Chicken now contains added water to make it look bigger"

    So whats the downside?:
    - Are they lowering the clock rates from advertised?
    - Have they actually optimized/fixed the OS code (wishful thinking)
    - Are they dropping rendering frames from a video?

    Who knows!, clearly not this article lol.

    1. Re:How? wheres the downside? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      In Microsoft Newspeak, sitting on shelves collecting dust which is only disturbed by people with new Android and iPads walking by is a sign of fantastic sales. Tune in next week when dumping a million units in a hole in the Mojave Desert is signified by "Microsoft announces a million Surface tablets moved in the last quarter!"

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  4. Bring back my old Nokia by netcruiser · · Score: 2

    I remember when I would go 8 days without charging my mobile. Now people get excited about 8 hours.

  5. Stupid bug by edxwelch · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apparently, the origonal version they programmed the Marvell Wifi chip wrong, so it didn't go into power save mode and now they fixed it

  6. Re:Good by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Informative

    The battery isn't any better. The operating system is just doing a better job managing its power usage of the battery it has.

  7. Re:a relevant question: by artor3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Several weeks, maybe even months. Mostly because you won't be able to turn it on.

  8. Re:But, Slashdot said... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let me see if I can explain this to you. It's reasonable based upon your post to assume that you have an IQ score between 50 and 70. This means that you can have an increase of 25% in your IQ and still be less than average. So when people say you are inferior you can have an increase of 25% and still be inferior. See how that works? Of course you don't ;-)

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  9. Re:Good by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a firmware update -- it's only for an issue on Surface 2 devices and wont install on a Surface 1. This has nothing to do with Win8 vs. 8.1.

  10. Re:Microsoft can give them away for FREE who cares by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think you're confusing the Pro with the RT. The Pro and Pro 2 are no more "locked down" than a desktop running Windows because they're running the same OS.

    The confusion and ire is understandable as the RT is a useless piece of shit. But they're two entirely different products.

  11. Re:Microsoft can give them away for FREE who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, I dual-boot Ubuntu (which I must sadly admit is a complete piece of crap without an attached keyboard) with mine. You do have to change a 'BIOS' setting, but there's only three options so it isn't hard. You need an OS that supports UEFI (which is why I'm using Ubuntu compared to something else).

    The hardware is excellent, but the pressure touch screen is too sensitive. I can't take notes like I wanted because when my hand brushes the screen all the programs think I moved the pen and I end up with stray lines and marks everywhere. I'm not sure if this is an OS level issue or a program issue. It causes more problems on Ubuntu than Win8, though Win8 is smart enough to know it's a pen and not a mouse. Yet the pressure sensitivity works on Ubuntu... When I was working on DIY touch screens/walls the main touch detection libraries had the option of ignoring palm presses if it detected finger presses. What happened to that?

  12. Re:a relevant question: by ericloewe · · Score: 5, Informative

    a) The digitizer stylus replaces the mouse in nearly all win32 applications that are hard to work with using touch.

    b) OneNote. It's the killer app - handwriting directly into OneNote without a seperate drawing tablet is a surprisingly good experience. For those who are into such stuff, the same applies to graphics software like Photoshop.Compatibility with most 32 and 64 bit Win32 applications ever made is an added bonus, as is compatibility with hardware.

    c) Replacing a full laptop in situations where one isn't absolutely needed - we are talking about Ultrabook performance, so the keyboard and a bluetooth mouse turn it into a laptop when it's not being used as a tablet.

    d) You can install any x86 OS you want on it. Sick of Windows? Try some Linux distro, it should have drivers for everything.

    Clearly, if you believe an iPad or equivalent device is enough for you, you are clearly not the target audience. This isn't a stupid fashion statement/gimmick like an iPad - it has real uses and those who have a use for it knew it the moment they saw it. No single product is ideal for anyone - it's a matter of choosing what you need.

  13. Still too expensive by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple started it. Android tablets had to be cheaper *and* faster to get a hold of that market. MicroSoft had both the OSes and multiple Android hardware vendors to deal with in an already well established market. They should have positioned their product against the top of Android at a price competing with the mid range of that tablet market.

    Also, they shouldn't try and position a pimped up tablet that was too crippled to take on netbooks, notebooks or ultrabooks at a price point higher than these. If you're selling it as an ultrabook with detachable keyboard, make it like that. the notebook/laptop/ultrabook/netbook format machines have hinges for a reason. It means you can position your device on any three-point surface with the base and adjust the screen so that you can look at it semi-comfortably. A kick stand doesn't work that way, because you need a totally flat surface at the correct hight in order to make use of your device with such a contraption.

    The sad part here is that the UI and the fact that you could use a lot of your code base for both desktop and portable device applications are lost because of these marketing decisions. If you ignore history and fanatic MicroSoft bashing and just look at the ergonomics of the tile interface and judge it by it's merits on a touch screen device, it's pretty good. The reason why Nokia's entry level phones are actually selling in Europe is not just because of the camera, the UI isn't half bad either and it's quite zippy on the lower spec hardware. For that money, you can't get an iPhone and the Android offerings at the same price point aren't stunning.

    I think they would have actually had a chance and may still have if they would get their head unstuck from between their buttocks and would just start competing their devices at whatever point the market puts them. That may mean they'd lose on every device they were selling for a few years. They were willing to take that risk with the Xbox and it looks like they have a solid gaming division set up now. Sell the tablets as tablets, price them so people would buy the one that's "so much better than the ipad/android at the same price" and hook them into xbox live as a unique selling point. By crossing over xbox games onto the tablets, you can make people do parts of the games on their tablets. The dog in GTA5 is a very good example why this sort of thing works and MicroSoft would be stupid not to use their xbox customers to extend their tablet market.

    Before you'll be calling me a fanboi, I'd much rather see good things happen to open source. Google has closed off most of Android apps, the kernel is totally forked from Linux and most hardware drivers are closed source. Even CyanogenMod has gone commercial now. I'm hoping one of the other Linux attempts at tablets or some *BSD attempt, will actually kick off and make a difference. The reason I am saying this is that even though I don't like MicroSofts business politics, I think the world would benefit from some good competition on the tablet market. MicroSoft genuinely has done quite a few things right, despite screwing up a lot of other things.

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  14. More interesting, but not because it's a Surface by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    On the contrary - I think it's a fascinating story. But not because MS made the surface 2 battery test last 25% longer. Rather than a "simple" firmware update increased the battery life of *any* computer by 25%. That's fucking incredible, and shows how much could be done to make Windows machines more efficient. It also shows how much Apple has been doing to make their portables last longer by combining both firmware and software tweaks. Let's face it - when you put Windows on a Mac, the battery life drops by 30%. Same hardware, same firmware, new OS = battery life fail.

    I would like to see Microsoft concentrate more on providing vendors with OS-Firmware optimizations to allow windows machines to squeeze more battery efficiency out of modern laptops.

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