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French Court Orders Google To Block Pictures of Ex-F1 Chief Mosley
Virtucon writes "This one goes to the old adage 'closing the stable door after the horse bolted.' A French court on Wednesday ruled that Google must remove from its search results photos of a former Formula One racing chief, Max Mosley, participating in an Nazi-themed orgy. Google could be fined up to 1,000 Euros/day for not complying. What's strange here is that Mosley A) Sued in a French Court B) Didn't go after anybody else other than Google and C) has definitely strange tastes in extracurricular activities. In this day and age it's laughable to think that once your private photos/videos hit the Internet that you have any expectation of reining them in or filtering the embarrassing parts out. Google isn't the only game in town so to speak in terms of Internet search. I wonder if his lawyers checked out Yahoo or WebCrawler?"
I mean, they did spend a few episodes beating the poor joke to death.
Why does he get special privacy?
Google should just serve a static page to french addresses explaining who's demanding cessation of services. Problem solved.
What happens at the nazi themed BDSM orgy stays at the nazi themed BDSM orgy!!!
because the french have very tight privacy laws - they have rather strict photography laws too, you don't even get freedom of panorama in France. I sued there because he could win there.
He is the son of Oswald -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Mosley so that is good CV material to start with
In TFA, it says that Moseley won $96,000 in a lawsuit against the infamous News of the World who published the photos. Not that I agree the decision is correct against Google, but the summary is a little lacking.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I would have used Bing and DuckDuckGo. The other two aren't relevant anymore. Or, was that the point?
"Here Lies Philip J. Fry, named for his uncle, to carry on his spirit"
http://www.indexoncensorship.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/News-of-the-World-Max-Mosley-Cover.jpg
Who cares ?
I found the video watch while it lasts.
Yahoo has them.
Just saying :-)
This takes the Streisand effect to new heights. He's a bit of a dim bulb that Mosley dude.
too much information! where is the brain bleach? lol
You might want to do a GIS for this guy WITH safesearch on, before trying to find the pictures mentioned in TFA.
Trust me, you do not want to see these pics. Ban them from the internet with fire!
One has to admit that they are an important part of the Internet infrastructure. Billions and Billions of dollars of commerce are generated by Google searches for companies that have little or no direct contact with Google. Every time a government does this, Google should shut that country off until the various entities that DEPEND on the free exchange of information complain and withhold campaign contributions/bribes.
Hi -
I could be wrong, but I think from another article that I read today that the issue in the 2008 "News Of The World" case (which Mosley won) was the claim by the newspaper that it was a "Nazi" themed orgy.
- Tom
every request for Google from a french ip address results in a 'the web page you requested could not be found.' message.
The French will be shitting into their snails before you can say 'Les Cargo'!
Ones freedom is often someones else oppression.
Making laws and rules for a free society are extremely difficult and rarely perfect.
We want the press to be free, but we want our information to be private, however if our neighbor is up to something we want to know.
After an act of terrorism we get all up an arms because the government didn't collect and connect the information of the plot. However we also don't want the government spying on personal lives, and making these connections.
The best we can do is try for the best balance, and deal with the consequences.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Instead of some mild and uninteresting pictures, when you search for "Max Mosley", you now get hits about something involving Max Moseley, five female prostitutes, and a Nazi S&M sex orgy. Way to go!
And you learn that he is the son of Sir Oswald Mosley, founder of the British Union of Fascists, and looking like he stepped out of Monty Python sketch. (I'm assuming "Sir" is not merely an S&M title, but I suppose you can't be sure at this point.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Mosley
Max Mosley is a nazi.
Google knows all.
If he can defeat Google in open court, he can use the case as a precedent to defeat anyone. This is the brave litigant's version of "choose a good target". Cowardly litigants start with the person who has the worst chance of defending themselves, but if they cave, its doesn't set a precedent.
He's not after Google: he's after everyone.
Lawyer stuff is subtle (and some of them are quick to anger (:-))
--dave
davecb@spamcop.net
Certainly if he believes it must be technologically possible for Google to do, then he should be able to supply them with an algorithm which accomplishes the desired ends.
Google is the expert here... if they are saying that a problem is not tractable for them to manage, there's a pretty good chance that they are right. It should be up to those who would dispute that position to prove that Google is wrong.
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Note that the French court is attempting to impose a worldwide ban. How's that for European legal overreach?
The first rule about nazi themed BDSM orgies; never talk about nazi themed BDSM orgies.
What's going on at Mos Eisley?
At some point, doesn't the world just have to say "Sorry, government of France, this is how the internet works and we can't take parts of it out just because someone in France is offended by it"?
The whole point of the court cases has been it was not a Nazi themed orgy. The newspapers and the prostitutes just made that bit up to sell papers. In fact it has been proven it court that it was merely an Englishman going to a brothel to be beaten by dominatrix prostitutes and his right to do so privately has now been upheld by the French courts.
Link or it didn't happen
As a public service, everyone should put up at least a link to the story (if not the pictures).
Show them the Streisand effect in action.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Who would miss France if it never showed up in any google search?
Yeah, if only Google had some sort of technical way of taking down some results of its search engine upon external request just like it is doing for DMCA requests... oh wait...
They take those down on a case-by-case basis, by request. They aren't presented with a standing fine that will occur for each and every instance that ever happens in the future
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Somehow I doubt that anyone on Slashdot is offended by the notion of a Nazi-themed orgy. The Internet generation doesn't get shocked very easily anymore. Goatse, Tubgirl, NumberGenderNumberContainer videos, and half the memes ever created are far more offensive than some people having a role-playing orgy behind closed doors.
I believe I just coined the term NumberGenderNumberContainer...
as you would a horse
The reins are used to make the horse turn left or right if you pull them in the right way.
That'll learn ya =)
In this day and age it's laughable to think that once your private photos/videos hit the Internet that you have any expectation of reigning them in or filtering the embarrassing parts out.
Why not? You psychotic assholes successfully removed Maureen O'Gara's articles about Pamela Jones from the web, why can't this pervert do the same?
And are using it to blackmail him right now.
Oh, wait, sorry, in spook speak that's "encourage cooperation".
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Here my understanding of the story. The News sensationalized the pictures by outright lying about the Nazi theme. Moseley sued and won. He wants all the embarrassing photos removed from the internet including Google. Like I said, I don't particularly agree with the decision but the summary made it seem like it was a personal vendetta against Google.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
The very nature of the net is such that no nation should be allowed to demand anything at all concerning content. France is a fine nation but the notion that they can have any voice in that which is displayed world wide is absurd. Obviously different groups of people have vastly different morals and beliefs. What the net does is give everyone the ability to be offended half out of their minds. What may be considered a savage crime in one place or an act of perversion in another place is perfectly acceptable in other places. Frankly I do not want any nation having any ability to censor the net. It is up to all of us to step up to the plate and be willing to be shocked, mortified, enraged or degraded in order to maintain freedom. Free people should not vote to restrain the freedom of others.
A central reason that Mosley won the original privacy case in the High Court in London is that the judge rejected News Group Newspapers' claim that it was a "Nazi" scenario because they were speaking German (see paragraph 72 of the judgment). The judge found that there was no reason to think the orgy was Nazi-themed, and therefore there was no public interest to justify the privacy violation.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
Sure and if he wants to supply the list of urls that should be taken out of search results that would be relevant. But that isn't what is being asked and hence isn't relevant. That is what they have been doing, but apparently Mosley is tired of playing whack-a-mole, for example: http://www.chillingeffects.org/courtorder/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1259783
I guess it's 365,000 euros a year for France - just put up the picture on a a different url each day and have it show up in a google search and send google the bill for the fine.
Google could add a filter for that name and refuse to give search results for it, but that would be a new feature, and would they still get fined if the pictures showed up on a search for some other terms? The TFA says so, but I doubt pcmag.com has a lot of expertise in reading French court decisions.
Still someone at Google must be itching to add such a filter and when that name is searched for return a static result page with something like:
"Due to a French legal decision we aren't allowed to show you images for those particular search terms. Max Mosley doesn't want pictures of him engaging in a a nazi themed orgy with five prostitutes to be shown. Here are some other photos of Nazi themed orgy pictures not involving Mr Mosley:"
The most that a court should be able to do is ask Google not to continue caching content that has actually been removed from the various other Interweb servers by court order.
This is like arresting the person who points directions to the brothel to a tourist.
Sounds like the kind of overreaching and arbitrary judicial decision you might find in say, a country run by CENSORED-BY-GODWIN.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
First thing I did was search Google...not removed yet!
That way they can't be held responsible for perpetuating libel, should that be his claim.
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something to be said about a Nazi dressed as the front desk clerk at any US corporation in the late 90's or so
I would block any searches, ANYTHING related to France. Let's see who wins that battle.
If the pictures were posted, too bad.
damn your black heart, Barbara Streisand!!!
We put this guys sexual tastes on trial and that's whats just plain wrong. I'm sure that is what he is rightfully objecting to. It's no surprise he is trying to get it taken down. I'm not sure he realizes this is futile and just making things worse. I'm against censorship. Period. There is a lot of disgusting stuff out there on onion sites (although on regular sites in the past) and none of it should be forced off-line. It's merely a representation of reality and that in and of itself isn't objectionable. What is reprehensible is the censorship and peoples reactions to disturbing materials, etc. While something might be disturbing we all have to live in this world together and your not entitled to be undisturbed. At best society should only be pushing it off to the 'dark corners' of the web.
They will just use duckduckgo.com ?
Serious, no one gives a fuck about NSA, er Google.
Identify the search and redirect to MS.. perhaps with a message "merci.... bing".
Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
Does Google host the photos? I would think not. I would think he would have to go after every single site hosting the photos. My guess is he is targeting Google because Google has the money despite anything else.
Does google host the files which caused them to get another DMCA takedown notice?
as the OP says - what about the other search engines? These photos will never be gone..even if google does delete its entries for them..there's many more search engines and the actual files will still be loctaed on numerous servers all over the world!!
will this affect Google at all, since they are not a french (please excuse my use of the F word here!) company, and the bastards do NOT and CANNOT control the internet? Maybe Google should withdraw all of it's services from IP addresses originating in france!
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
Heh I hope the ones crying "free speech" now were not crying "privacy" when the discussion was about secret camera or revenge porn (which is essentially what this is). Only difference is the gender of the victim.
I can't decide which is the better general principle. Allow the publication of such videos without consent of the participants under the principle of "free speech". Or
Ban the publication of such videos under the principle of "privacy".
I can accept either principle more willingly than I can accept the hypocrisy. If it is good enough for Mosley to have his private life serve as public entertainment then its good enough for all my exs.
What's strange here is that Mosley ... C) has definitely strange tastes in extracurricular activities.
You must not have been on the internet very long.
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