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Expansion of Comanche Peak Nuclear Power Plant Suspended

mdsolar writes in with news that plans to build two new reactors at the Comanche Peak nuclear power plant have been put on hold. "On Friday, Luminant, a subsidiary of Dallas-based Energy Future Holdings, suspended its application to the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission to build two new reactors at the plant. Its partner on the project, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, said it was focusing on getting its nuclear reactors in Japan back in operation. The majority of Japan's reactors were shut down because of safety concerns following a 2011 tsunami that caused a radiation leak at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex 150 miles north of Tokyo. Mitsubishi 'has informed us that they will materially slow the development of their design control document for their new reactor design by several years. In addition, both [Mitsubishi] and Luminant understand the current economic reality of low Texas power prices driven in large part by the boom in natural gas,' read a statement from Luminant."

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  1. Delays not surprising by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Informative

    A slow economy and depressed energy prices due to shale gas have certainly delayed plans for new nuclear. As we shut down more coal plants and when the economy picks up, we will be faced with the choice of becoming heavily dependant on gas, or building more nuclear. Shale gas prices will rise as our dependency increases. some dream that solar and wind can fill the huge gap but as most if us know it simply can't. Meanwhile, the worldwide expansion of nuclear continues, and appears to be picking up steam.

    Side note: The reactors at Fukushima are GE design, not Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, as some readers might conclude from the author's attempt to tie the two together.

    1. Re:Delays not surprising by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 2

      there is more Solar energy available every 'hour' than the entire planet uses from 'all' sources in an entire 'year'. It's not the availability that's the problem.

      Energy 'storage' is currently not capable of handling the variability of renewable sources at grid scale. But putting up solar panels/windmills such that during the day (or windy) time we only use as much energy as the night time is still the best and most economical answer to energy and environmental requirements.

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    2. Re:Delays not surprising by dasunt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or, more solar and wind plugged into decentralised local grids. See: Germany and Denmark who are doing just that without the benefit of Texas Sun.

      Lets check on Germany and run the numbers.

      Germany peaked at 23.9 GW. At the peak, it was providing for 40% of Germany's electrical usage. Impressive.

      But that's the peak. How about overall?

      Wolfram Alpha gives 549.1 billion kwh/year for German's total electricity consumption. It also gives 19.1 billion kwh a year from solar, tide or waves and 46 billion kwh a year from wind.

      Now we're mixing data from different years (so this is a rough estimate), but I'm seeing a total of 65.1 billion kwh/year from solar + wind, with a usage of 549.1 billion kwh/year. So about 12%. Compare this to to the 94.1 billion kwh/year from nuclear.

      Now this neglects another problem - the variability of solar and wind. If solar and wind make up a small fraction of the grid, or it's possible to sell to neighboring countries, it's pretty easy to sell excess energy when it's windy/sunny, and use other power plants when it's not. I'm not sure what overcapacity the US would need if it primarily resorted to wind & solar power.

      Not to mention the false dichotomy. We can build solar, we can build wind, we can build nuclear - but we can also build coal power plants, natural gas power plants, and oil power plants.

      There's nothing preventing us from building both nuclear and renewable energy power plants in order to reduce the reliance on fossil fuel power plants. If you believe that anthropological global warming is a real problem, I'd suggest that reducing CO2 emissions through a combination of solar, wind & nuclear would be quicker than reducing CO2 emissions by just wind & solar, or by just nuclear.

    3. Re: Delays not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The numbers are disappointing. Fyi.
      http://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/downloads-englisch/pdf-files-englisch/news/electricity-production-from-solar-and-wind-in-germany-in-2013.pdf

    4. Re:Delays not surprising by Cyberax · · Score: 2

      Incorrect on all points. Germany STILL depends on its nuclear reactors, they are NOT yet shutdown. But they already have a dangerous amount of grid instability that already causes very real problems for consumers: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/instability-in-power-grid-comes-at-high-cost-for-german-industry-a-850419.html

      And to combat this, they're building 25 new coal-burning power plants. Some of them just came online: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/23/germany-to-open-six-more-coal-power-stations-in-2013/ (sorry for a link to Wattsup, but it has a really nice table).

      Oh, and electricity prices in Germany already cause energy-intensive production to move elsewhere.

  2. Re:renewability of nuclear power by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

    The ideal situation would be to re-process used fuel. In that scenario, fuel supply would be plentiful for about as long as you want to project. Under the existing structure, with little re-processing, the known Uranium supplies are plentiful, but I don't know what the amount really is. I feel comfortable saying we could go for centuries, but again, I have not looked up the number.

  3. Re:renewability of nuclear power by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Obviously nuclear power is technically non-renewable, so how long would it be expected to last, assuming no refinements to extraction or fission methods?

    One answer is here: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-long-will-global-uranium-deposits-last. The short version is that with current techniques, and usage levels, the available uranium will last a couple hundred years. However, there are methods that we expect would increase that by multiple orders of magnitude.

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  4. Just 10% of current production though by grimJester · · Score: 2

    A couple hundred years quickly turns into decades if nuclear is ramped up.

    1. Re:Just 10% of current production though by nojayuk · · Score: 2

      Folks have mostly stopped exploring for large uranium ore bodies in part because current reserves are being exploited so efficiently the actual value of uranium is very low -- the current price for yellowcake (refined U3O8) is $35 per pound at the minehead. There are big known reserves (probably counted in the overall availability estimates) in placves like northern Canada which can't be exploited commercially as yet since the geographical limitations would put the price up above the market rates.

      If the price of yellowcake doubled, by the way, it would add less than a cent US to the cost of a kWh of nuclear power. This is not true for gas, coal and other fossil fuel generators.

  5. Re: renewability of nuclear power by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 2

    Thorium was dropped from R&D because it didn't produce fissile material for bombs. And once we had working nuclear reactors, that we thought were safe, there was little need to create another type of nuclear plant.

    Now there's a pressing need to not have the downsides of uranium based reactors, and thorium may fit that bill if the engineering challenges can be worked out.

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  6. Wind power may be to blame by mdsolar · · Score: 2

    Wind power sometimes puts the wholesale price of electricity down to zero in Texas. http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/20/wholesale-price-of-electricity-drops-to-0-00-in-texas-due-to-wind-energy/ So natural gas may simply be acting a the medium through which wind discourages nuclear power. This has been the case in the Midwest. http://will.illinois.edu/nfs/RenaissanceinReverse7.18.2013.pdf Wind power has cut off the top of the gas generation price curve and forced a reactor to close down there through the subsequent lowering of the wholesale electricity price. Gas can still be expensive if the less efficient turbines are used. Wind lowers demand for those.

  7. OT: Watch Pandora's Promise by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    CNN has started doing these long-form documentaries and the 2 I've seen have been mind altering. I went from being a total nuclear power skeptic to being 99% in favor. The documentary is done from the perspective of environmentalists who did their own research into nuclear power and were really surprised by their findings. The clincher for me was the milliSievert readings from all over the world; including Fukushima and Chernobyl.

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    1. Re:OT: Watch Pandora's Promise by mdsolar · · Score: 2

      There isn't any need for nuclear in the US. It is actually going away. http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/energy/nuclear/former-nrc-chairman-says-us-nuclear-industry-is-going-away Iran wants nuclear power. Perhaps your expansion should happen there once they can be trusted.

  8. Re:Delays not surprising -- please stand by by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 2

    That should be "we have an EARLY 20th-century energy grid".

    It was friggin' amazing when it was built, a time when few could even envision multi-gigawatt cities such as Las Vegas.

    It all began with the dramatic and brutal the battle of the currents. Tesla/Westinghouse AC was the right choice for small scale and the subscriber level, enabling the use of transformers to step voltage. The self-synchronizing 60 cycle grid grew, and in the age of miracles (practically) no one objected to corridors of uninsulated cable suspended between power plants, which grew to become the mighty pylons of today. Unlike the trans-continental railroad however, Eastern and Western grids cannot meet without a DC interface. At 60 cycles there is too much span across them to achieve stable synchronization.

    Yet Edison's DC is needed today -- for the long haul, to re-configure the grid for greater current capacity and efficiency, better bridge existing grids allow massive direct energy transfer coast to coast. Burying these lines brings protection from natural disaster such as cataclysmic ice storms, Yellowstone or what ever. We'll also be able to reclaim much of the real estate presently allocated to these corridors.

    [Faulkner, 2005] "There are different trade-offs for AC versus DC power transmission. For example, voltage can only be taken up to about 500,000 volts (500 kV) for an overhead AC power line because beyond that, power dissipation through dielectric loss becomes severe. Voltage for DC overhead power lines can be taken up to double the maximum AC voltage, to about 1000 kV (one million volts from ground potential; 2 million volts between the conductors); beyond that, power dissipation through corona discharge becomes severe. Underground DC power lines can use even higher voltage, and can be quite large; the main factors limiting size and design details are the need to insulate the conductor and to dissipate heat. Wire diameter is limited for AC transmission lines, whether overhead or buried, due to the âoeskin effectâ that prevents an AC current from penetrating to the center of a large wire, whereas a DC line can be arbitrarily thick. For these and other reasons, underground high capacity power lines are necessarily DC.

    The simplest way electric power could be sent coast to coast is to build power lines based on conductors with much lower electrical resistance than any long distance power lines in service today. These âoeelectric pipelinesâ can be either conventional conductor or superconductor-based, in principle. The superconductor approach to electric pipelines has gotten some press and research interest, but is not technically ready to deploy yet. There is also a more pedestrian way to decrease the electrical resistance of a power transmission line: use more conductor..."

    Faulkner goes on to describe several electric pipeline projects with projected cost.

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