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India's Mars Mission Back On Track After Brief Hiccup
New submitter rahultyagi writes "After running into some problems in its fourth orbit-raising maneuver two days ago, Mangalyaan (India's Mars Orbiter Mission) seems to be back on track now. A supplementary burn lasting ~304 seconds was completed today, raising the apogee of MOM to 118,642 km — the intended apogee after the original maneuver. After the glitch two days ago, ISRO again seems to be on track to become the first entity to have a successful Mars mission on its first attempt. Though, of course, there are quite a few things that might still go wrong before this can be called a successful mission. Let's all hope that a year from now, we are all celebrating the entry of another nation into the small club capable of successful interplanetary missions."
Bollywood on mars.
Did you know that if indisns shake their head from left to right that it means they agree with you ?
Been sent from germany to an project in london for a few months and worked there with a few indians. It ticked me off to see them headbanging from left to right all the time.
It's not racism to cry USA number 1 and hope other countries fail... (just nationalistic jingoism)
Of course the closet racists won't admit that there can be any other possible group association other than race...
It's not racism to cry USA number 1 and hope other countries fail
Hoping others will fail is a sign of inadequacy.
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"Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Bollywood. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before." ... seconds later mass-dancing in the command room. I can imagine that the borg, romulans, klingons and other cilisation may get slightly irritated by that.
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Did you know that if indisns shake their head from left to right that it means they agree with you ?
The difference is small... Let me clear this for the un-initiated.. if you consider an axis through the center of your head and the centre of your...nether region, and if the head shaking is about this axis, then it means "No" If you consider an axis through the tip of your nose and the back of your head, and if the head shaking is about THIS axis, then it means "Alright" or "affirmative"(especially if the indian you're talking to happens to be a terminator). Not to be confused with "yes". Source: I'm Indian
"I can imagine that the borg, romulans, klingons and other cilisation may get slightly irritated by that.
Sound like a good setup for a dance battle.
It's not racism to cry USA number 1 and hope other countries fail... (just nationalistic jingoism)
And why not - America's German scientists did a better job laying the foundations of space flight than Russia's German scientists did.
This is exciting. Really exciting. First the successful moon mission and now this.
However, from a ISRO's standpoint, this is more significant from another angle too.
With such low cost, now others are looking at India as a satellite launch country. Even before, those who wanted satellite launches, often came to ISRO if cost was an issue. But success rate was not too good.
With this mission reaching this stage, ISRO has shown that it can launch any type of satellite. From satellite launch perspective, this is a complete success. No doubt about it.
All these dollars invested will come back over the next few years, as more and more companies gain more trust in ISRO launch capabilities. I won't be surprised if ISRO recovers all the costs of this mission from commercial launches within the next 5 years.
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Since someone is looking for "Casual Racism", I'll oblige.
All power to India for their mission to MARS.
And this greeting comes from an American who was from China.
How's that for "Casual Racism" ??
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
... I was doing some reading on India's Mars mission and found two articles quoting the price tag for the entire mission to be $ 83 million.
Yes, you read it right, Eight-Three-Million-United-States-Dollars !
I don't know what NASA can come up with $ 83 Million, but I am pretty sure if NASA to send another probe to Mars it would be far greater than that.
PS. To my Indian friends, can you please share with us how you guys can keep the budget so low?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Of course the closet racists won't admit that there can be any other possible group association other than race...
So true. I swear if the invasion of Pearl Harbour happened now people would be saying how wrong and racist it would be to attack Japan, and that they had as much right to Hawaii as America.
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The cause of the delay was due to the fact that the operators were diverted to a call centre operator in Mumbai who simply read off a script and provided no actual help.
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I'm sorry, I forgot to include the links to the two new articles that I mentioned in my previous comment.
Here they are ...
http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/india-to-launch-orbiter-to-mars-next-week--29838.html [indiatvnews.com]
http://www.firstpost.com/india/will-isro-mars-mission-start-an-indo-china-space-race-1211933.html [firstpost.com]
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
So you're saying that while Western Europe uses pitch for "yes" and yaw for "no", you use roll for "yes" and yaw for "no", or did I misunderstand you?
They just call tech support in Europe were a bunch of Portuguese in basements chained to the chairs answer.
It's not worth pretending to be so utterly ignorant for such a pathetic joke. You fail as a clown.
There's no way you could be such an utter failure that you actually believe such shit, especially after 9/11, is there?
Yaw means "no", roll means affirmative, as in agreement - not quite the same as yes, as it still signifies agreement with a negative statement/question.
e.g. a) "Are you a meat popsicle?" roll is affirmative, I am a meat popsicle (English equivalent answer is "yes" in this case)
e.g. b) "You're not a meat a meat popsicle are you?" roll is affirmative, I am not a meat popsicle (English equivalent answer is "no" in this case)
It's like "hai" in Japanese.
And why not - America's German scientists did a better job laying the foundations of space flight than Russia's German scientists did.
First satellite, first animal in space, first man in space, first woman in space, first robotic moon landing.
I would say that Russia's German scientists did the best job at laying the foundations of space flight.
First man on the moon could be considered the last mile. (Unless someone intends to be the first to put a man on Mars.)
The Americans have already faked a Mars landing :-)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077294/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
That is actually quite interesting. So, do they still have pitch for "yes" as well?
How about a positive answer to a negative question? As in "doch" in German (or "jo" in Danish, "jawel" in Dutch", "si" in French). English is "yes" or "yes I am" or something to remove the ambiguity.
So true. I swear if the invasion of Pearl Harbour happened now people would be saying how wrong and racist it would be to attack Japan, and that they had as much right to Hawaii as America.
No, but people are generally more informed these days so they would have been more aware that starting a blockade against Japan could cause some form of retaliation. Most Americans would consider the attack against Pearl Harbor to be an excessive response to an economic blockade but for a nation at war like Japan was at the time breaking the blockade with any means necessary would be vital.
Military experts back then should have anticipated some form of retaliation. Perhaps the attack against Pearl Harbor is considered excessive but in retrospect we can safely say that it wasn't sufficient to break the blockade and stop the US influence in the pacific ocean.
A nation with a better intelligence service would make sure that a similar attack actually prevented any form of retaliation.
That is actually quite interesting. So, do they still have pitch for "yes" as well?
Only Slashdot could move from "casual racism" to "casual aerodynamicism". I am impressed.
The attack on Pearl Harbor was not an invasion. Japan never planned on occupying the islands. Their main goal was to sink our carriers. In that they failed. Probably the main reason they lost the war. That and the whole A-bomb thing.
The USA is only 4X older than me...perspective
The Mars Scorecard could really use an update.
Imagine this!
Mars Mission under European or American control (just an example) and you have a bunch of Indians participating amongst your regular team within a space ship.
Commander: "Earth Control to Mars Mission! Earth Control to Mars Mission!"
Main Screen turn on!
Indian: "Mars Mission to Earth Control! Mars Mission to Earth Control!"
Commander: "Everythink OK with you ppl?"
Indian: "Shakes his head from left to right (roll or whatever)"
Guess this might cause a big missunderstanding.
Imagine following scenario!
Mars Mission under Indian control!
Commander: "Namaste! Earth Control to Mars Mission! Earth Control to Mars Mission!"
Main Screen turn on!
European: "Mars Mission to Earth Control, we are under heavy attack by Aliens! Should we shoot back?"
Commander: "Shakes his head from left to right (roll or whatever)"
This is sooooo lost!
As I've understood it, the head wobble is a polite way of saying 'no' while avoiding the actual use of the word 'no'.
America's animal came back alive.
The war was lost months before the A-bomb was deployed.
Now that's what I call outsourcing.....
The AC is cherry picking the space firsts as is usually done with this common post. Not to take away from the Soviets who really did accomplish the 'firsts' listed, the USA had: first successful mission to another planet (Mariner 2 flyby of Venus in 1962), first successful mission to Mars (Mariner 4 flyby of Mars in 1964), first orbital rendezvous (Gemini 6 in 1966), first spacecraft docking (Gemini 8 in 1966). These were all within the first 10 years after the Soviets launched Sputnik 1. Arguably the USA could have had the first satellite and first man in space except for policy differences -- the US Jupiter C booster had launched a payload on a reentry test to nearly 90% of orbital velocity in 1956, a year before Sputnik. Wernher von Braun and his Army group at Huntsville were subsequently ordered by the Eisenhower administration not to launch a satellite or even allow another launch to 'accidentally' go into orbit as it would have been considered 'provocative'. After Sputnik, the Jupiter C did launch the first US satellite in Jan 1958 less than 90 days after the team being given the order to go ahead. As far as the first man in space -- the last unmanned test flight of the Mercury-Redstone manned system was on March 24, 1961, three weeks before the launch of Vostok 1. This last test flight was added because of some anomalies with the previous Mercury-Redstone which had successfully carried a chimpanzee. If not for this decision, MR3 with Alan Shepherd would have launched before Gagarin in Vostok 1. However, Vostok's orbit of the Earth was considerably more of an accomplishment than MR3's suborbital mission even if Vostok had not come first -- as I said, I give full credit to the Soviets for their accomplishments of that time.
Actually the Soviets didn't get the scientists, they mostly left with Von Braun. The technicians that were left behind and the hardware that they hadn't been able to destroy were all the Soviets obtained. The Soviet space program was almost completely home-grown, before WWII they were probably second (after Germany) in rocket design. That is why the Energia looks so dramatically different than the Saturn V, other than some advanced metallurgy techniques and (IIRC) turbo-fuel pumps they really didn't get much from the German effort.
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Racism is a serious thing.
You cannot improvise it all of a sudden.
It requires meticulous planning.
Or a double doze of O'Bama.
This guy says is better than I can - http://balajiviswanathan.quora.com/Indian-Space-Mission-Poverty-and-Closet-Racism?srid=7qo&share=1
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God damn it, how many fucking offtopic comments do I have to wade through to find the comments that are actually about the fucking mission? Jesus H. Christ, would you kids shut the fuck up? PLEASE???
>> Did you know that if indisns shake their head from left to right that it means they agree with you ?
It's called unrolling the towel.
One more than if you'd not posted at all.
Two more now.
You mean the way Europeans had as much right to North America as the tribes that were already here? I'm not following.
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Commander: "Shakes his head from left to right (roll or whatever)"
This is sooooo lost!
Really? You had to get into aliens/human voyages scenarios for f*ck ups? I'm sure the US' refusal to adopt the SI system (along with illustrious company in the form of Burma and Libera) would burn everyone to a crisp before they got out of the atmosphere. (NASA - Needs Another Seven Astronauts).
Actually, I'll go one better. Slashdotters have seen Indian computer code. How does "India's Mars Mission" even make it as a serious headline? If they manage to launch anything, it'll run a blaoted SAP installation smashed and kludged into something that sort of looks like it might maybe fire the rockets sometimes. Oh, and it's $250M over budget too.
Instead of getting into aerodynamics, let's use simpler terms. I'm an Indian and a doctor, so I try to give the medical definition when I'm among medical people in the US. But since this is a techie forum, let me break this down in geometrical, anatomical, and plain English and see if the uninitiated can understand.
1. Rotation (oscillation, really) about the X-axis or lateral axis ("nodding the head"): Yes.
2. Rotation about the Y-axis or supero-inferior axis ("shaking the head"): No
3. Rotation about the Z-axis or antero-posterior axis ("Indian head wobble"): Affirmative (i.e. "I agree with what you say, whether positive or negative").
These are the main cases. There are some minor nuances. But if you cannot understand the above, then there's no point getting into the nuances of body language.
Your body is 3 dimensional, and can move about three axes. If you can't comprehend this and your body language only involves two axes, don't blame others for it. The Indian body language involves moving the head about three axes. But I do resort to just two axes if I'm among people who can't understand. That's like speaking American English dialect when I'm among American people, e.g. saying 'acetaminophen' instead of 'paracetamol' or 'soccer' instead of 'football'.
It's not racism to cry USA number 1 and hope other countries fail
Hoping others will fail is a sign of inadequacy.
... and insecurity.
five minutes is a pretty long correcting burn... I hope they didn't go through most of their spare fuel in the process. (TBH I wouldn't have expected them to have that much available in the first place, lifting spare fuel isn't like throwing a spare headlight in the trunk, five minutes' fuel is more like throwing a spare tire in the back seat) Anyone have any data on how much "buffer fuel" they carried, and how much they went through with this fix?
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
"Didn't get much from the German effort"?
Have you compared their R-1 to the V-2? Even the Energia calls it (courtesy Google translation) the "first rocket from domestic materials on the basis of German rocket A-4 (V-2)."
Soviet/Russian rockets look so different from the Saturn V because they couldn't overcome combustion instability problems with large thrust chambers, so they settled on using a single turbopump to provide propellants to multiple, smaller thrust chambers. (The Germans didn't run into combustion instability with the V-2 because they used the 18 burner cups, rather than a "shower head" injector. When the American companies started using injectors, they ran into and devised solutions for combustion instability.)
You definitely CANT read! It is $73 millions. And, did not know that they use SAP code on board rockets. And, we all have seen what you American monkeys can do when you refuse to outsource to Indians - your healthcare software sucks big time! Fix it before you can even think of rocket science, fuktard!
The Indians wobble their heads because if they'd do it the european or rest or world style, they could by accident hit the reset button (middle of Indian woman heads) :)
America's German scientists
you are a hillbilly.... You left out how the US went after NAZI scientists in order for the US to steal Germany's technology, that really showed how the US was ahead of everyone else, hell the British had top radar systems that US refused, but wasted time and money only to steal there tech to build there own. Steal you shit from everyone and claim you created it.
And Russia was to busy wasting its time and money to enforce its version of communism instead of devoting more resources towards to keep up..