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Rigging Up Baby

theodp writes "Over at Fast Company, Rebecca Greenfield explores the rise of extreme baby monitoring. 'In the imminent future,' writes Greenfield, 'any curious parent with an iPhone will have access to helpful analytics, thanks to the rise of wearable gadgets for babies. Following the success of self-trackers for grown-ups, like Jawbone and Fitbit, companies like Sproutling, Owlet, and Mimo want to quantify your infants.' Devices connect to a baby via boot, anklet, or onesie, and record heart rate, breathing patterns, temperature, body position, and the ambient conditions of the room. While the breathing and sleeping alerts will calm a lot of parents, Greenfield reports the real holy grail is the data garnered from tracking, which some companies plan to share with researchers. 'We're creating the largest data set of infant health data,' says Owlet co-founder Jordan Monroe."

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  1. What happens when the App crashes? by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unlike a basic $35 baby-monitor, the $250 Owlet bootie and accompanying app can alert parents if anything serious has gone wrong, like if a kid stops breathing, or if his heart stops beating.

    This XKCD comes to mind for some reason.

    Babymonitor App, 4.0 stars, 4 reviews
    Three five star reviews, then one one star review. "App did not warn me when baby died."

    Want a slightly more serious take on it?

    For the first 10 months of her life, her mother, Yasmin, kept detailed records of Elle's sleep patterns, feedings, and diaper changes, noting the data points with a pencil and paper on a clipboard. A few months in, she digitized the logs, graphed the data, and became a more knowledgeable parent.

    Unfortunately for the Lucero family's sleeping habits, Yasmin never found a definitive answer. Per the data, Elle was just fussy.

    That last line accurately sums up every infant I've ever had in my charge. Not sure what pattern you could discern from graphing all of this data, if my experiences are any guide it would make for one hell of a random number generator. I doubt one can find a better entropy source than a newborns sleeping "schedule". ;)

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    1. Re:What happens when the App crashes? by sabri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That last line accurately sums up every infant I've ever had in my charge. Not sure what pattern you could discern from graphing all of this data, if my experiences are any guide it would make for one hell of a random number generator. I doubt one can find a better entropy source than a newborns sleeping "schedule". ;)

      Newborns are the most fragile thing on earth, and every parent knows it. If a device helps showing a pattern, good!

      I have a two-year old daughter. From the first night, we monitored her breathing using one of those boards you put under the mattress. While this will never prevent a baby from dying, it will alert a parent when a baby has stopped breathing, so CPR can be applied and 911 called. It might just save the life of a baby. We have had a few actual alarms*, which were later attributed by the pediatrician to the low timeout on the device: it screams after 20 seconds without movement. Apparently, my little girl would sometime just stop breathing for a short while if she was in a very deep sleep. She hated the thing, and as soon as she was physically able, she would just shut the thing down on her own (quite funny to see on the cam, those little fingers slowing finding the button).

      When my daughter was 6 months old, friends became parent of a baby girl. During the first night in the hospital, that girl actually stopped breathing, turned blue and was subsequently resuscitated. After a week in NICU she was released. Needless to say, our friends immediately purchased the same device that I used.

      One can argue that these devices have little use other than helping parents sleep, knowing they'd be alarmed if something happens. Even if that's the case, trust me, it is money well spent. As a new parent, there are a ton of things that you'll be concerned about and this just helps easy your mind.


      * The amount of alarms we've had because my wife took her out of the crib for nursing and forgot to turn the damn thing off.. Well... That's a bit higher.

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    2. Re:What happens when the App crashes? by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps Yasmin didn't account for all the variables.
      The most obvious ones that won't show up in sleeping data is what woke the baby up.
      Did it shit itself?
      Was there a loud noise?
      Was it hungry?
      Did it get cold?
      Was it too hot?
      Was it sick?
      Did it have reflux?

    3. Re:What happens when the App crashes? by sjames · · Score: 4, Funny

      Was the monitoring equipment uncomfortable?

    4. Re:What happens when the App crashes? by swamp_ig · · Score: 5, Informative

      One can argue that these devices have little use other than helping parents sleep, knowing they'd be alarmed if something happens. Even if that's the case, trust me, it is money well spent. As a new parent, there are a ton of things that you'll be concerned about and this just helps easy your mind.

      Paediatricians don't recommend the use of these devices. They haven't been shown to decrease the risk of anything. They tend to produce false alarms, causing a hell of a lot of parent anxiety, and which may contribute to post-natal depression (which has got a well established link to infant death).

    5. Re:What happens when the App crashes? by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Newborns are the most fragile thing on earth

      I could think of quite a few things that are quite a bit more fragile. Not to say that you shouldn't be careful with newborns, but I think this is going a little bit over the top, and would probably cause the parent much more stress then it would relieve. I have 3 kids myself, and personally, I even found the sound only baby monitor a little annoying.

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    6. Re:What happens when the App crashes? by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Newborns are the most fragile thing on earth, and every parent knows it. If a device helps showing a pattern, good!

      Actually, babies are amazingly resilient. After all, they are entrusted to incompetent, clueless, self centered, young, just-barely adults, and seem to survive at alarming rates.

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  2. Roly-Poly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know this will probably get lost in the comments but, when my mom isn't home I like to go into her garden, cover myself in dirt, and pretend I'm a carrot.

  3. Over-monitoring is problematic by McDutchie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While the breathing and sleeping alerts will calm a lot of parents,

    I would argue the opposite is more likely to happen. Most parents are not qualified to properly interpret these data, and over-monitoring can cause excessive anxiety and obsessive-compulsive tendencies.

    1. Re:Over-monitoring is problematic by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Informative

      That was my first thought as well. Babies make a lot of weird, though normal, noises. Just listening to them sleep can be anxiety-inducing. Was that gurgling normal, or a real problem? He stopped breathing agai...oh no, he's OK. What is that awful sound he's making?

      Monitoring and interpreting even more data is going to be daunting and nail-biting. Unless they're sick and need the monitoring, I would not recommend monitoring healthy babies.

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  4. Pretty incomplete by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Funny

    What, no burp duration or fecal viscosity histograms? Pathetic.

    1. Re:Pretty incomplete by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or plotting the fecal colour change that happens from new born, to breast fed, bottle fed, vegetables, meat...
      Just don't try plotting the smell, because once you get meat in them you'll need to change the scale to log.

    2. Re:Pretty incomplete by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ever find a bunch of re-hydrated raisins in a diaper? Talk about a "The FUCK???" moment...

    3. Re:Pretty incomplete by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Funny

      My kid used to love sweet corn, eating it big time.

      The kernels would come out virtually unchanged. Really made me think you could simply pick them out, wash them off, and return them for a second round.

      Never actually did that, though.

  5. Re:What's wrong with gathering data? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For every child that has been 'saved' by having a monitor go off when the child stopped breathing, thousands of parents have had the shit scared out of them for no reason whatsoever, have run the perfectly normal child to the ER (risking a serious automobile accident) or have simply been worn down staring at the display. And these are with kids who have some significant risk of apnea in the first place.

    Placing these things in the general pediatric population is going to be fun. And the data will be so heterogeneous that it will be useless scientifically.

    It's just a money grab, as usual.

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  6. Helicopter parents ftw! by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Oh how did we ever survive without constantly knowing our kids' whereabouts? Do you remember the times? When we were scared shitless because little Timmy could not be tracked down via GPS? When kids actually could have secrets from their parents? Nothing spells "I love you, dear child" like calling when he's making out with his first love.

    But I see the upside of it. Kids that are constantly monitored, prodded and nagged by parents will more likely develop a heavy resentment for total surveillance, and they will early in their life start to develop counter strategies.

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    1. Re:Helicopter parents ftw! by the_humeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This only happens for the first kid. Subsequent kids usually don't get as much scrutiny.

  7. What am I missing here? by ImOuttaHere · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why do people "need" these things? Humans have been born and grown to adulthood for, oh, now many hundreds of thousands of years without the aid of monitors? Oh. Wait. I just responded to my own question. Human monitors are no longer valid. That's it! So... _this_ is what happens when you don't want to be with your child... and when you have "better" things to do, eh? Sad. Really sad, if that's the case.

    1. Re:What am I missing here? by s1lverl0rd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, you seem to be seeing these devices as replacements for proper parenting. I'm not so sure that's what they're for. They're really just an improved version of the baby monitor, which is in turn an improved version of sleeping near the baby's room and praying you'll wake up when something's wrong. That's all. There are some bells, whistles, statistics and graphs, but it's just a fancy baby monitor, in the same way the Nest is just a fancy thermostat.

      Second, there's quite a bit of literal survivorship bias in your comment. Most people you've met haven't unexpectedly kicked the bucket when they were a few months old, but that you don't know any doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The good news is that less babies die nowadays than there used to - the infant mortality rate used to be six times as high back in the fifties. It's still too high, though, which is why we do need devices like these.

      They look like cutesy cuddly turtles and nice onesies, but they're medical devices. They assist parents in the same way a baby monitor assists parents. Help the parents, help the baby, reduce the statistic. Is the decline in infant mortality only because of the baby monitor? No. But if you, like me, see it as a medical device, I hope you'll agree that everyone should get one, not only sad, lazy people that suck at parenting.

      Humans have grown to adulthood for hundreds of thousands of years without heart monitors, thermometers, incubators, X-ray machines, CAT scanners, dyalisis machines and all that as well - and I don't see you suggesting to do without those.

  8. Wow, how odd by BringsApples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The baby's picture is on the main screen on the phone, the phone mimics/displays all of the baby's vital signs, and gives readings on all baby-related matters... in this way, the device is the baby. However, we're going to depend on the same parent that can't care for the baby itself, to monitor the device that's monitoring the baby? How odd indeed.

    Maybe they can then sell little baby clothes to put on your iPhone.

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    1. Re:Wow, how odd by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

      The baby's picture is on the main screen on the phone, the phone mimics/displays all of the baby's vital signs, and gives readings on all baby-related matters... in this way, the device is the baby. However, we're going to depend on the same parent that can't care for the baby itself, to monitor the device that's monitoring the baby? How odd indeed. Maybe they can then sell little baby clothes to put on your iPhone.

      Just think of it as a Tamagotchi; but connected to some obnoxious squirmy thing that smells funny, eventually turns into a teenager, does some drugs, and has to be sent to college.

  9. The Final Cut's Zoe Implant by jdogalt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In addition,"The Final Cut" is a gem of a Robin Williams movie on this subject many may not have seen-

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Cut_(2004_film) (below is wikipedia summary)

    The Final Cut is a 2004 film written and directed by Omar Naim. It stars Robin Williams ... ... The story takes place in a near future in which people can pay to have their babies implanted with memory chips. These "Zoe Implants", developed by EYE Tech company, record every moment of their lives, so that they may be viewed by loved ones after one's death. The plot centers on Alan Hakman, a "cutter", whose job it is to edit the Zoe footage into a feature-film length piece, called a "Rememory".

    The Final Cut is about subjectivity, memory and history; posing the question, "If history is what is written and remembered, then what happens when memories are edited and rewritten?"

    The film won the award for best screenplay at the Deauville Film Festival and was nominated for best film at the Catalonian International Film Festival and Berlin International Film Festival.

  10. Re:Remote parenting by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

    So one can now "be a parent" without having to actually be physically present and not even have to hire a body double? Awesome!

    No, these implementations are clearly incomplete, 'Simple Newborn Management Protocol', they say; but it's all read-only. The MIBs look a bit thin, as well.

    Until they fix that, you'll still need a supply of excuses for why it's always the junior admin's turn when you need to go poke the thing.

  11. Radio Collars by notthepainter · · Score: 4, Funny

    My ex-brother-in-law is a wildlife biologist. He's done a lot of field work. He told a story at Christmas a few decades back. He took his 7 year old son out hiking is some deep woods. Being concerned if something went wrong he put a radio tracking collar on him, just part of the stuff in his lab. I asked him how it worked. He deadpanned, "I hated shooting him with the tranquilizer dart from the helicopter." I almost lost my egg-nog.