US Government Embraces Bitcoin in Hearing on Virtual Currency
Daniel_Stuckey writes "Congress held its first-ever hearing on virtual currencies this afternoon, and it may have been the best PR boost bitcoin's had yet. The tone at the hearing held before the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee was overwhelmingly positive as the panel weighed the risks of the technology that grew out of the criminal underbelly of the web, with the potential economic value of the now-booming futurist money. The prevailing sentiment over the two-hour deep dive into the pros and cons of the digital coins boils down to this: We need to uphold America's position as center of technical innovation by welcoming the new currency—but that that can't be done without government safeguards and regulations."
SonicSpike wrote in with a link to another report in Bloomberg. The Federal Reserve has no plans to regulate Bitcoin (lacking regulatory authority), but the SEC chair wrote "Regardless of whether an underlying virtual currency is itself a security, interests issued by entities owning virtual currencies or providing returns based on assets such as virtual currencies likely would be securities and therefore subject to our regulation."
...but that that can't be done without government safeguards and regulations
What they really mean: Congress is very excited at having found something new to tax.
Think about it, governments are basically contrarian indicators to any truth or knowledge or insight. That's all I wanted to say about this: BTC can be 1,000,000 USD per coin tomorrow or it could be 10 cents. Nobody knows, there is no intrinsic value whatsoever, more currencies of this type are created all the time, that's how you have inflation in BTC (never mind that every single BTC is actually a stack of 10,000,000 coins in its own right, all of which have exactly the same intrinsic value as the 1BTC, which is to say 0).
BTC may as well be 1,000,000,000 dollars in 2 months, who knows, but without a mechanism to SHORT this coin (except by not owning it), what I mean is without a mechanism to borrow coins to sell them, there is no downward pressure at all, while so many people are enticed into this particular pyramid, feeling like they are missing out on something. The early holders of BTC may all be millionaires right now if they sell. They have everything to gain from higher prices, they won't sell and if you want to buy, you have to pay more and more.
What happens when large holders want to sell without any prior shorting in the market?
You can't handle the truth.
From watching a bit of the C-SPAN coverage, I found it interesting to note that several of the witnesses from law enforcement effectively stated that:
1.) Current regulations had not hampered their ability to pursue criminals
2.) They saw more danger from centralized currency systems based in fringe countries than from "decentralized currencies such as Bitcoin"
The fact that you think Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme shows just how little you know about the currency.
So that's why BTC jumped up to $900 today, after opening around $500. I bet some speculators made a ton of cash that way.
A few really simple reasons the government would be in favor of Bitcoin:
1) Gain control early.
2) Every transaction leaves a trace. The idea that Bitcoin is anonymous is a bit of bullshit. Yes, right now the exchanges keep one hand from knowing the other. This is easily changed.
3) In aggregate, it's impossible to trace for a non-government entity. This means slush fund spending woohoo time.
4) Politicians have figured out that the extreme anti-social end of the internet from which Bitcoin has gained its popularity are a bunch of socially inept jack offs. They know these people have poor impulse control and too much intellect, but are easily swayed by marginal amounts of lip service.
I guess I missed the happy, joyous part then. I watched the first hour and 20-some-odd minutes of this hearing, and if I had taken a drink every time they said "child pornography", I would be in the hospital now.
Ha. Now the libertarians are going to abandon it wholesale.
No fun when the big bad gubmint likes your freedomcoins.
Because everything else our glorious government tries to control turns to gold.
Downside though is the extreme volatility of them.
No one is going to convert their millions in a slush fund into bitcoins if it'll mean that the value will spike and dip on daily basis. Financial security means confidence in a currencies value.
The problem with Bitcoin now is that it's being used mostly for speculation, not for trade. You can't price anything in Bitcoins when the price changes 30% in one day. If you accept Bitcoins for anything that doesn't have a huge markup, you can get clobbered by the price fluctuation before you get the payment converted.
Worse, the "exchanges" are very, very flaky. Over half of the Bitcoin exchanges have gone bust. Mt. Gox hasn't paid out US dollars since August, large euro payments seem to be randomly delayed, and some days customers can't get Bitcoins out. Coinbase, which is a dealer, not an exchange (you're buying and selling to and from them) will sometimes drop out of the market because they can't buy or sell Bitcoins (and actually get the funds delivered) on some other exchange. Not one Bitcoin exchange is publicly audited or insured, yet they hold customer funds.
Tradehill was going to be the "legitimate Bitcoin exchange". They went bust. Another exchange in China just disappeared last week, with the customer money. A solid exchange, registered as a broker/dealer in some reasonably legit country, would be a big step forward.
Bribes, prostitutes, extravagance ... all require anonymous, untraceable forms of money.
If politicians didn't require it, governments would have banned cash long ago.
... or what a Ponzi scheme is.
No Inflation Taxation without Representation
embrace extend extinguish
Nice strawman you got there.
Find anyone with a clue about how bitcoin works (no, that does not include tech "journalists") claiming it's anonymous.
Oh, everyone says it's a pseudonymous public ledger? Who would've thunk...
Not everybody who uses bitcoin mines bitcoin. To be a profitable miner nowadays you need several thousands worth of hardware. Just holding bitcoin doesn't consume any electricity, in fact you can hold bitcoin without a computer. The bitcoin ecology has shifted from an everybody who participates helps secure the network to more of a server-client relationship. As long as there are several independent mining coalitions bitcoin as system is still secure.
And that will eventually replace everything else.
Not only is it mostly speculation, but even the times when people claim it is being used for trade, like the Silk Road, it really isn't, it is being used to launder money. It wasn't actually being used because it is an amazing currency, but rather because people believed it was a way to anonymously buy illicit goods, ie launder money to pay for them.
They only legit trade uses I've seen quoted have been totally worthless: Sites that will exchange bitcoins for gift cards at places like Amazon, with a 10% or more markup (when those same sites sell gift cards with a 0% markup using standard currency).
As you say, the speculation has to go from the market if it is ever to be considered a currency. While currencies do fluctuate, they don't move as much in a year as bitcoin does in a day.
Technically, the current "US dollar" came out of the criminal underbelly of Wall Street.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
It really depends on the amount of invested (or converted) money. The ups and downs are a symptom of the poor market depth of bitcoin. My real problem with it is that I don't see the market depth becoming deeper any time soon with the deflationary properties of bitcoin.
What is left if these are no longer credible advantages?
A new coin will be born?
Ash nazg durbatulûk
From the summary: US Government Embraces Bitcoin in Hearing on Virtual Currency
So glad that they are embracing Bitcoin. However, that reminds me of a quotation. From Wikipedia:
I felt bad for the man who had no signature, until I met a man who had no comment.
currencies don't and can't exist in a vacuum outside the framework of rule of law with zero transparency and accountability
Oh yes they can. Was the case for centuries and centuries during the Roman Republic. Any coin would be traded on the basis of the instantaneous value of its gold, silver or copper part. If you wished to pay in, say, Greek statera or Seleucid Antiochian gold coins, the city-state in Greece or the Seleucid empire had no say in and no overview over the transaction. It was a private deal between a private person ( you ) and some private merchant. Only the Roman emperors began to draw control over currency towards them, e.g. Diocletian managed to force a ( then much-needed ) devaluation of the Roman sestertius, something that would have been impossible under the Republic.
Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
The NSA designed almost all existant crypto to be breakable by them, and from the looks of what The Guardian has been reporting, that includes SSL/TLS. The reports also make plain that they can waltz into any Windows or Mac without effort.
That means all online (or remotely accessible) wallets, online mining pools, bitcoin exchanges and bitcoin-accepting vendors are vulnerable, possibly already compromised. All bitcoin transactions via the Freedom Servers, regardless of destination, were certainly recorded and all bitcoins involved are potentially hijackable at any time.
Because the NSA weakened all crypto standards (ps: Do NOT use SHA 3 in the weaker forms, I am extremely suspicious of remarks made on the official SHA 3 mailing list regarding strength, though the stronger forms are probably ok), it is entirely within the realms of possibility that the NSA already has a complete list of all possible bitcoins. The currency depends on the maths being hard, but if it isn't, then you've nothing. They may also be capable of injecting false transactions - never trust enthusiastic supporters in US security agencies, they aren't in the business for your health.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Oh yes! This is a huge conspiracy based on top secret information found in the press.
Don't you know that "the Illuminati" refers to that elite cabal of people who possess a secret technique called "the Reading of the Newspapers"?
WHY would you bother with bit coin if you're going to store it in USD. What would be the point, other than being trendy?
Persistent Volume manager for Kubernetes - https://github.com/dwimsey/openshift-pvmanager
This isn't a work of art or something... it's designed, from the ground up, to be a currency. Trying to argue to the IRS that a mined BitCoin isn't a cash-equivalent is not going to end well.