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Nokia Shareholders Approve Sale To Microsoft

mrspoonsi writes "Nokia shareholders met today at an extraordinary general meeting (EGM) to vote on whether or not to accept the terms of the company's proposed sale of its devices and services business to Microsoft. The deal, which was first announced in September, is worth €5.44bn EUR ($7.35bn USD / £4.57bn GBP), and also includes provisions for Microsoft to license patents from the Finnish company. 78% of those eligible to vote had already voted before the EGM. Of those early votes, a staggering 99% had voted in favour of the sale to Microsoft."

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  1. Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. buys other increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur for lots of money.

    News at 11

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    1. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing says" irrelevant" like running on 95% of the world's computers!

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    2. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdogma tenant 4: if the OS isn't Linux, it's irrelevant. (some consider OSX relevant because it has the same command line syntax)
      Tenant 5 is similar, that if you can't git something, it might as well not exist (yes, this does even mean svn is ignored)

    3. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Desktops/laptops are not 100% of the world's computers!

    4. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Consider the things that most computer users do. Now consider the devices that they can do (and do do.. ho ho) these things on. Smartphones, tablets, consoles, internet enabled TVs, and everything else that you can now use for things like Facebook, Netflix, editing documents, etc. You have now noticed that their market relevance is nowhere near 95%. And it's falling.

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    5. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by riis138 · · Score: 2

      Say what you will about Nokia but as someone who has owned Apple and Samsung devices previously, I have to say my Lumia is the best phone I have ever owned.

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    6. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by somersault · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Anyone who has been paying attention knows that Nokia has been "owned" by MS for a while now though, so this news really just isn't surprising in any way. And it doesn't seem like it will benefit anyone other than Nokia shareholders looking to cash out.

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    7. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tenant - a person who occupies land or property rented from a landlord.
      Tenet - a principle or belief, esp. one of the main principles of a religion or philosophy.
      Pedant - left as an excercise for the reader.

      (It is 100% sure that this post contains an gramatical, spelling or numerical error).

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    8. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 5, Informative

      Fuck, these days they probably aren't even 50%

      250 million smartphones sold in Q3 2013.

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    9. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Sockatume · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately for Microsoft, those kinds of computers aren't a growth industry any more. The tide's going out.

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    10. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by jeffy210 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tenant - a person who occupies land or property rented from a landlord.
      Tenet - a principle or belief, esp. one of the main principles of a religion or philosophy.
      Pedant - left as an excercise for the reader.

      (It is 100% sure that this post contains an gramatical, spelling or numerical error).

      Tennant - The Doctor

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    11. Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. by Wootery · · Score: 2

      It isn't a "full desktop" so what, it is a computer!!

      Really? Ok:

      The form factor counts for a lot. Big numbers alone don't enable me to type up my dissertation: for that, I need a full-size keyboard and a full-size monitor. Your smart-phone provides neither.

      There's still a place for 'full desktops', and there will be for the foreseeable future.

  2. Get out while the getting is good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Elop has succeeded in destroying Nokia. Hopefully, it will take Microsoft with it!

    1. Re:Get out while the getting is good! by hydrofix · · Score: 4, Funny

      Elop is a likely candidate for the next CEO at Redmond. When you are thinking about Microsoft and Nokia, you must always think in opposites, like in Lewis Carroll's book Through The Looking Glass, to grasp how these companies' management teams operate. So, as in our mere mortals' terms Elop is a miserable executive, who did almost everything in his power to destroy his company's market position, in Redmond-speak it means he is a great manager. Further in their distorted reality field, he is a great choice for the next CEO, because selecting the worst outcome for Microsoft is the management's objective. So, you just might be right about Elop's next job!

  3. Their only chance by sunderland56 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The two choices:

    A) sell out to Microsoft and get some cash for the shareholders;

    B) go bankrupt and lose everything.

    Yeah, I'd choose A too. Interesting that Blackberry, in pretty much the same position, chose B.

    1. Re:Their only chance by Xest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Blackberry isn't bankrupt, they still have some useful stuff, they just need to utilise it properly.

      If they do go bankrupt it'll be because of management failing to realise their potential, not because they had nothing of value left.

      For example, there'd still be massive scope for Blackberry to start releasing Android devices that were secured to a similar standard to their existing phones and to integrate their business tools into it like BIS.

      Right now whilst business integration tools have improved for the major smartphone platforms iOS, Android and Windows Phone are still primarily consumer focussed operating systems.

      So there'd be a pretty large market for someone with the past experience of Blackberry at satisfying corporate customers to create a purely corporate focussed line of smartphones that are based on iOS, Windows Phone or Android - I suspect Android would be the best bet as it's the easiest option for a third party to customise to the degree needed.

      A range of Android handsets with a determined focus on security, business needs, and easy integration to corporate systems would basically hand them the entire business world and they have much of the groundwork in place that they need to do that. They just need management capable of realising it. A good CEO could have this up and running within a year, anything else and then they'll be bankrupt.

    2. Re:Their only chance by cusco · · Score: 2

      there'd still be massive scope for Blackberry to start releasing Android devices that were secured

      You could have stopped there, the gaping security holes in pretty much all of the Android installations on the market, and the even worse ones introduced by manufacturers' preinstalled crapware, need to be dealt with adequately before I'll consider doing anything like online banking on them.

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  4. Not so staggering. by intermodal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I understand the journalistic desire to phrase things dramatically, but there is nothing staggering about a struggling company accepting a buyout from a company with a perceived strong market position.

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    1. Re:Not so staggering. by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but there is nothing staggering about a struggling company accepting a buyout from a company with a perceived strong market position.

      No, but there's something fishy when a former Microsoft exec came in, gutted the company, made them entirely beholden to Microsoft, and then watched their market share collapse.

      You couldn't construct a better tin-foil hat scenario than a corporate executive making the company ripe to be bought by his former employer.

      To me, either Nokia was incompetently managed, leading to the eventual purchase by Microsoft -- or this was all part of someone's master plan to make this happen.

      And if that person who either incompetently managed Nokia (or masterminded their demise) is a candidate to become the CEO of Microsoft ... you have to ask why someone who is either incompetent or dishonest is being considered.

      CEOs and executives don't seem to get selected for actually being able to do something, but who they know that can make back room deals. To me, Elop was an abysmal failure at the helm of Nokia, so WTF qualifies him to be at the helm of another?

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    2. Re:Not so staggering. by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The staggering newsworthy thing in this case is that it was the company with a perceived strong market position that engineered the other company into a struggling position in the first place.

      Or in other words, this was one of the most blatant planned corporate sabotages and subsequent buyouts of recent history.

      Elop has abysmally failed as a CEO and yet Microsoft are treating him like a hero, even with suggestions he's the frontrunner to run Microsoft itself now. Normally in an acquisition like this he'd be first out the door for creating arguably one of the biggest corporate failures in history (the speed at which Nokia lost assets and fell into a loss making company was staggering). The rest of his family never even left America which strongly implies they knew he was coming back. If that doesn't make it clear that what many people suspect went on isn't just theory then I don't know what would.

      So the news is that what many people theorised was the plan all along actually was. Maybe given that many of us theorised it from the outset means we shouldn't be surprised, but I think the shock that we were right, that Microsoft would be so blatant and open about the game they were playing and so utterly lacking in subtlety is shocking. Most of us are in disbelief that we were right, that the biggest and most succesful phone manufacturer on the planet and that had a strong anti-Microsoft culture could be turned round into a Microsoft takeover victim in just a few short years.

    3. Re:Not so staggering. by intermodal · · Score: 2

      They might, but whether anything comes of it may depend upon whose jurisdiction is relevant. Elop is Canadian, Nokia has their primary headquarters in Espoo.

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    4. Re:Not so staggering. by cusco · · Score: 2

      Nokia was already in decline before Elop came on board, and the decision to abandon Symbian had already been made. His choices were 1) join the stampede towards Android and attempt to compete with established monsters Samsung and LG, 2) resurrect Symbian, or 3) chose a new phone OS. What would your choice have been?

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  5. Re: Microsoft just wants the patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Microsoft is only licensing Nokias patents. Nokia is only selling the mobile phone business, while it keeps it's mapping, patents and mobile network infrastructure business. So Microsoft cannot sue anybody with what it is buying.

  6. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Voyager529 · · Score: 2

    Yes, because it would have been a much better proposition to start churning out more disposable Android phones in an already over saturated market. At least wp8 gives them some market differential.

    Actually, it would have. It's a much better sell to have a 41 megapixel camera that can upload the pictures it takes to Instagram. They could differentiate themselves in the market by offering Nokia Music and Nokia Maps, yes, things duplicated by Google to some extent, but still worthy properties to help differentiate themselves. Nokia was legendary for having phones that were difficult to break, and while Lumias might not be as indestructible as some of their older candy bar phones, even if they beat out iPhones and Galaxy units by 15%, that would be significant enough to differentiate them.

    Finally, if they wanted to stand out and not spend a mint, they could have given consumers the option, at least - allowing users to install either WP8 or Android, depending on which suited them better. Yes, it's a support nightmare and I understand that..but if we're talking about differentiating features, then you don't get much more different from the current crop of phones than to have the ability to pick your OS.

    Being different is good. Being different in a way that the market has generally deemed undesirable is not a way to increase sales.

  7. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maemo and Meego were Nokia's "skunk works" projects, kept far away from their mainstream consumer phone business. Trust me, Microsoft didn't have to kill off that area. It was dead even while S60 was riding high.

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  8. I'm kind of amazed... by HerculesMO · · Score: 2, Informative

    That people reference Nokia as a failure due to Elop, as if it was doing so well in the smartphone arena before he took over? Have a sense of reality folks. Nokia was dying fast, and while the MS integration may or not have been a great idea, something had to be done. I will let history judge the actions, but in many parts of Europe, Nokia is overtaking the iPhone in sales... so there is that.

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  9. The End by symbolset · · Score: 2

    Exit, stage right.

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  10. Snapchat by felipou · · Score: 2

    So Snapchat is worth about 40% of Nokia. Interesting.

  11. "Computers" by DrYak · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nothing says" irrelevant" like running on 95% of the world's computers!

    ...for a very specific subset of "computers":
    i.e.: big desktop machines, in homes and offices.

    Absolutely every other device with similar computing specs that is interracted directly with, or that is relied behind-the-scene on, runs something else.
    (Tablets, Smartphones, home wifi router/modem, home micro-NAS for backups, the set-top box or media under the TV and/or the TV itself, the infotainment system in the Car: i.e. everything at home beside the laptop [the single device running Windows] and the Microwave Oven [still powered by a micro-controller, not enough power for a full-blown OS])
    mostly shared between Linux (either GNU or Android), *BSD, and specialised OSes like QNX.

    (and at work, as long as it's not a SOHO who is dependant on Microsoft Directory Service and Sharepoint, you can bet that pretty much everything behind the scene run some flavour of Unix)

    In short, the "year of Linux on everything except the desktop" has come since long time.

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  12. Quite simple by x181 · · Score: 2

    Steven Elop works for microsoft. Steven Elop goes to Nokia. Steven Elop restructures and retools Nokia to be a Microsoft shop. Steven Elop cuts Nokia's market cap in half. Microsoft buys Nokia. Steven Elop becomes CEO of Microsoft in a few years (after Ballmer's successor resigns after 2 years). You guys connect the dots yet? I'm sure Nokia has a lot of patents Microsoft wants.

  13. Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... by jcdr · · Score: 2

    Actually this was: N770, N800, N810, N900, (n990), N9.

  14. Lost non US advantage by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The horrible thing is that they could have had a great marketing advantage by being able to say, "Our phones' OS, design, legal control, and manufacturing all take place in a country that will take your security seriously. We do not answer to the whims of US officials and will, in fact, be abusive to their requests."

    This would have garnered them a nice chunk of the market.

    That is gone now.

  15. Re:Sup by TheLink · · Score: 2

    I thought it was more "You break it, you buy it". ;)

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