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Software Patent Reform Stalls Thanks To IBM and Microsoft Lobbying

An anonymous reader writes "The Washington post reports on the progress of a piece of legislation many hoped would address the glut of meaningless software patents used as weapons by patent trolls. Unfortunately, the provision that would have helped the USPTO nix these patents has been nixed itself. The article credits IBM, Microsoft, and other companies with huge patent portfolios for the change, citing an 'aggressive lobbying campaign' that apparently succeeded. Quoting: 'A September letter signed by IBM, Microsoft and several dozen other firms made the case against expanding the program. The proposal, they wrote, "could harm U.S. innovators by unnecessarily undermining the rights of patent holders. Subjecting data processing patents to the CBM program would create uncertainty and risk that discourage investment in any number of fields where we should be trying to spur continued innovation." ... Last week, IBM escalated its campaign against expanding the CBM program. An IBM spokesman told Politico, "While we support what Mr. Goodlatte's trying to do on trolls, if the CBM is included, we'd be forced to oppose the bill." Insiders say the campaign against the CBM provisions of the Goodlatte bill has succeeded. The House Judiciary Committee is scheduled to hold a markup of the legislation Wednesday, and Goodlatte will introduce a "manager's amendment" to remove the CBM language from his own bill. IBM hailed that change in a Monday letter to Goodlatte.'"

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  1. Money again... by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FTA: An IBM spokesman told Politico, "While we support what Mr. Goodlatte's trying to do on trolls, if the CBM is included, we'd be forced to oppose the bill."

    What about the hundreds of thousands of small developers who support it?

    Do they get a "vote", too ... or is it only the people who are rich enough to bribe senators?

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    1. Re:Money again... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If money is equal to speech then guess who as more speech than you.

    2. Re:Money again... by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My favorite part about patent reform is that eventually it's going to pass, and all the small developers will run out and invent shit... and then promptly have it all ripped off by megacorps who make billions on their ideas, and the myopic developers go bankrupt.

      If your 'idea' can be 'ripped off' that easily, it sure as heck doesn't deserve a government-granted monopoly.

    3. Re:Money again... by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would I listen to a bunch of ne'er-do-wells in the face of people who actually know how to generate money (ie, know how to generate tax dollars)?

      Don't know about Microsoft and IBM, but don't most big companies these days do everything they can to avoid 'generating tax dollars'?

    4. Re:Money again... by suutar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One of the (theoretical) points of a patent is to reveal enough information about the idea and method for implementing it that someone else can do it. So 'ripping off' is pretty easy.

    5. Re:Money again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      If money is equal to speech then guess who as more speech than you.

      Now now, all Americans are equal. Some are just more equal than others

    6. Re:Money again... by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And one of the reasons patents exist is to encourage companies to reveal enough information so that somebody can implement it after the patent expires.
      The problem is that patents neither reveal enough useful information nor expire when they could (theoretically) have been useful.

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    7. Re:Money again... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, disclosure serves more of a purpose in avoiding duplication than increasing public knowledge. France had a patent system without disclosure at one point, and it ended up making patents all but useless. If you could practice your invention and keep it secret for longer than 20 years, you'd be a moron to get a patent. The benefits of disclosure are not a theoretical increase in pubic knowledge, that's just a talking point made by patent apologists.

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    8. Re:Money again... by Cenan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is not the rich spending their money trying to influence policy, that is to be expected, similar to how we expect a prisoner to attempt escape if left unguarded. Human nature and all that bullshit. The problem is that it is possible to spend money to influence policy. Politicians who were not so easily bribed would secure an equal voice for any citizen, no matter their luck/skill in other things.

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    9. Re:Money again... by Duhavid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "So what if rich companies can communicate more widely than you?"

      The "so what" is that they have a darned good whack at drowning out all voices but their own. Inherently undemocratic.
      Money as speech seems, to me, to be taking us closer and closer to an authoritarian system.

      "I have a suspicion that you want to see some rich people or corporations censored because you disagree with their message. That is not OK."

      Agreement is not the issue, their message is not better than anyone else's, and does not deserve amplification.
      I don't think that rich people, nor corporations ( who I think should be entirely outside of politics ), nor trade unions, nor teachers unions nor any organization deserve amplification.

      You start with "That's a nice little oversimplification of the issue..." then have to go with:
      "The definition of a liberal is someone who doesn't care what the law is, as long as it is mandatory..."
      ( an oversimplification )

      Sigh. Is that really all there is to liberals? It is just as un-dimensional ( and inflammatory ) to say "The definition of a conservative is 'I got mine, up yours'".
      Which I know not to be true of all or most, only true of some subset.
      Here sits a liberal who detests nanny states, censors and undue controls.
      And I do care what the law is, but also that the law be fair and fairly applied and reasonable.
      ( some control seems to be required, and I would argue both sides want controls, it is just a matter of who and what is to be controlled... )
      For me, liberalism is caring more about people than institutions ( corporations, powerful people's , states, etc ).

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    10. Re:Money again... by Duhavid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It really is not so short or sweet.

      Take the item from today's main page, IBM and MS oppose a part of a bill.

      Say for the sake of argument that I and another developer friend support that bill.

      4 "persons" involved, but my voice and my friend's voice is rendered inconsequential by IBM and MS's voice.

      Why is that OK?

      What I want is not censorship of their voice ( they should be able to voice their opinion, as individuals, not as a company ), what I want is to eliminate the censorship of *my* voice. I want their opinion and mine to be able to be evaluated on the opinion's merits, not on the contents of their wallet versus my wallet.

      When my voice is drowned out by theirs, how can you argue we have democracy?

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  2. My guess by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't IBM hold a patent on patent reform?

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  3. Is that the same Washington Post ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... that's owned by Jeff "One Click" Bezos?

  4. Where the guilt is by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you use the word "bribing" instead of "lobbying" it becomes more clear who are the ones that screwed all there. Being governed by people that not only accept bribes, but is also not worried about that being known is almost as bad as citizens taking that as something normal.

    1. Re:Where the guilt is by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, and if you use the word "stealing" instead of "make infringing copies", that makes the latter sound a lot worse. But here on Slashdot, you're not allowed to do that, yet it's A-OK to redefine other words for our own feel-good* purposes, apparently?

      MAFIAA bribery (or "lobbying") resulted in corporations "stealing from the public domain". And they have managed to re-defined "fair use" as "DMCA violations". But you keep using whatever terms makes you feel good about that.

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  5. Microsoft and IBM by symbolset · · Score: 4, Funny

    Protecting you from the future since 1976.

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  6. Re:Human nature? by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's probably because most large corporations are run by sociopaths. Sociopaths, because they have no empathy or conscience, are more easily able to rise to the top of power structures (if they're smart; the stupid ones become criminals and go to prison), so most of our political and corporate leaders are sociopaths. And since they have no conscience, they don't give a shit about anyone else except maybe immediate family, and happily use their power to try to fuck over everyone else for their own gain.

  7. For those who are interested by sconeu · · Score: 5, Informative

    CBM means "Covered Business Method (patent)"

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  8. Entrenched "Innovators" by Dega704 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Translation: "We love the absurd and unfair amount of power that the broken patent system gives us over any and all future start-ups and rivals, and will oppose any legislation that doesn't maintain the status quo."

  9. In Soviet Amerika people have no rights by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Welcome to serfdom, comrade!

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  10. You need to wake up and do something about it! by zaroastra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most people on this forum are IT related, and I do not need to explain how software patents in particular hinder the ability to innovate in the field.
    Only the US has terror histories regarding patent trolls and patent dicksizing contests between software companies, which in no way help you be better, faster, and, I would even say more profitable (Lawyers being the only ones profiting out of this)
    There is no room for software start ups because of this. Everything that could be patented already is (and a lot that shouldn't is too).
    Here, in software patent free world, it's so much better. Whatever you can think of you can do it, and even if you cannot find a solution, you can google for it, code it, and that's it. No lawyers or burocracies needed.
    This is a clear situation of the big fish creating rules to eat the small fish. Is that the world you want to live in?

    (the same could be applied to the rest of patents, and even things outside patents like equality and justice, but I will stay out of it to keep on topic)

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  11. Re:Human nature? by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd suggest it's nature's nature, not specific to humans. Cells that are particularly good at growing and competing do the same thing in organisms. The bright side with those asshole cells is that when the host dies of cancer, the cancer cells die too.

    Well, usually anyway. HeLa cells are like those asshole billionaires who ruin a country and then move before the depression ruins them.

  12. All or nothing? by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Translation: "We love the absurd and unfair amount of power that the broken patent system gives us over any and all future start-ups and rivals, and will oppose any legislation that doesn't maintain the status quo."

    No - see the summary:

    An IBM spokesman told Politico, "While we support what Mr. Goodlatte's trying to do on trolls, if the CBM is included, we'd be forced to oppose the bill."

    The proper translation is "yes, we want to stop the troll problem, but this nuclear option you've got goes too far. We like all of your other proposals." Just because you don't like 5% of a proposal doesn't mean you necessarily hate 100% of the proposal.

  13. CBM is not the answer. by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm strongly in favor of patent reform, but CBM is not the answer. CBM allows a subset of patents to be challenged administratively on a fast-track, without having to go to court. That hurts the patent trolls, but it hurts anybody without a phalanx of lawyers even more.

    Real patent reform has three key parts:

    1. Fix "obviousness." The courts didn't like the examiner affirmatively finding that something was obvious so turn it around and require the applicant to justify why anyone of average skill seeking the same result would not have found the same method. Require the examiner to affirmatively find that it isn't obvious. No justification = no patent.

    If anybody asked to do X would have tried your approach and X itself doesn't supply the genius either then no patent should be granted. Nor should a minor tweak on something you or somebody else already invented receive a patent. There are too many "routine inventions" receiving patents.

    2. A person of average skill in the art should be able to implement the technology from the contents in the patent. Start rejecting packets where that isn't true. Vague or stilted language in the application = no patent.

    3. Patent duration should be from application, not from the grant. Effective protection starts with the application. You can't sue anybody until after the grant, but no one dares use the tech unless they're sure the patent won't be granted. That's been abused by delaying the final grant for years or even a decade.

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  14. What "obvious" means. by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. Fix "obviousness."

    Unfortunately, I think you're asking someone to prove a logical negative: the applicant has to prove that something isn't obvious by showing... what, exactly?

    I hold six patents, and a few times I've had to prove obviousness to an examiner. The gold standard of obviousness is showing that others tried hard to solve the problem and failed. Sometimes, on problems where others have beaten their heads against the wall and there are failed products and projects in the field, you can point the examiner at prior art which shows obviousness. I was the first person to build a ragdoll physics system which could handle the hard cases. Back in the 1990s, early ragdoll systems tended to have characters flying off in random directions, sometimes with the body parts detaching. (Some physics engines still do that, which is lame, because, fifteen years later, several solutions besides mine are known now.) By pointing to previous failures that extended up to and past my patent application date, I was able to demonstrate non-obviousness.

    "Obvious" does not mean "obvious in hindsight".

  15. Why there are patent trolls by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    The patent troll industry exists because, in the last decade, it's become much tougher for inventors to enforce patent rights. Four changes in law did this:

    • (2006) "eBay v. MercExchange " The patent holder can't get an injunction against infringement any more, except in extreme cases. This destroyed the concept of a patent as property that only the patent holder could use.
    • (2007) "In re Seagate" The patent holder can't get triple damages unless there is "reckless infringement", which means the worst that can happen to an infringer is that they have to pay a royalty, the same royalty they might have negotiated. So infringement by a big company is risk-free.
    • (2007) MedImmune, Inc. v. Genentech, Inc. If a patent holder writes to an infringer asking them to pay royalties, they can be sued for a judgement that the patent is invalid, in a court of the infringer's choosing. So, as a patent holder, you have to file suit before you can negotiate. This is why "patent trolling" became necessary.
    • (2011) The "America Invents Act" The "America Invents Act" added "post-grant opposition" proceedings, so now infringers can harass patent owners and stall infringement claims in multiple forums. Note that one of the "features" of HR 3309 is to limit estoppel so that similar issues can be raised once in a post-grant opposition and then re-raised in an infringement case. This makes it clear it's all about raising the cost of enforcing a patent by wearing down the patent holder.

    Because of those changes, enforcing a single patent is no longer financially feasible in most cases. A big patent portfolio is needed. You either have to be a big patent holder like IBM or Google, or you have to deal with a company that aggregates patents to monetize them. This created the "patent troll" industry.

    HR 3309 is an anti-inventor act, designed to make it more expensive to enforce a patent. After the removal of the "covered business method" patent section, patents are as strong as ever. You just have to be richer to enforce them. That's why this is supported by Google, Facebook, etc.

    The current Senate bill on patent trolls, S.1720, the "Patent Transparency and Improvements Act of 2013" is much more narrowly focused than HR 3309. It has most of the anti-trolling provisions, but not loser-pays fee shifting. (Loser-pays means if a little guy sues a big company, they can get stuck with the big guy's big-law legal bills. That's a killer.) Instead, S.1720 has a study for a patent small claims court for small patent cases to get litigation costs down. That could work.