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Microsoft Certifications For High School Credits In Australia

kanad writes "High school students in Queensland, Australia would be able to do Microsoft certifications online and get credits. The exam fees will be free for students and courses include Microsoft's products like Sharepoint and SQL Server. Ostensibly this is for making kids ready for the workforce. but Australian IT entrepreneur Matt Barrie CEO of freelancer.com has criticised it for vendor lock-in and Microsoft's influence in the educational system."

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  1. Sharepoint and SQL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been hearing that high school curriculums have been increasingly dummied down, but I had no idea it was this bad.

  2. Not good by bravecanadian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Certifications are no substitute for fundamentals.

    The problem with certifications is that they date so quickly as versions and products come and go.

    Understanding fundamentals helps you pick up anything new.

    1. Re:Not good by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem with certifications is that they date so quickly as versions and products come and go.

      Of course. A high-schooler getting a MS certification now will be ready to spend a hefty chunk of student-loan cash to get the up-to-date version as soon as their next graduation rolls around, just to avoid looking like they've been ignoring the real world while in that ivory tower.

      Microsoft comes away profiting and looking like a hero.

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    2. Re:Not good by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This isn't about the certs as much as it is getting kids programmed to use Microsoft products.

      Like drug dealers, they need to capture the next generation. The first is always free.

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    3. Re:Not good by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Any company that requires current "certifications" for people who have been working years in the field deserves exactly what they get. I haven't been certified since my Novel days, and haven't even been interested since. IF people doubt my qualifications based on what I have been doing for the past 20 years, fine by me, I don't want to work for them.

      The exception is people who are outside hires for tech support, who want to toss out "We only employ certified people". Okay, that's great, but again, you get exactly what you should expect, marginal competency and "by the book" work. Do not expect creative solutions to impossible problems.

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  3. Why the negative? by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Informative

    How is getting an MCSE any more or less useful than taking any other elective in Shop or Band or Home Ec'?

    They still have to take the three R's to graduate. You don't get to skip your civics class to take one of these...

    1. Re:Why the negative? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Generally speaking, a shop class will teach you skills that are useful for tools not made by Dewalt, band will be useful for playing instruments not made by Yamaha, and Home Ec will provide skills that are useful outside of Rubbermaid products.

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    2. Re:Why the negative? by EMG+at+MU · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is getting an MCSE any more or less useful than taking any other elective in Shop or Band or Home Ec'?

      They still have to take the three R's to graduate. You don't get to skip your civics class to take one of these...

      It's less useful because you didn't take Shop where you only learned how to use Milwaukee brand tools. You didn't take Cooking and only learn to use KitchenAid products.

    3. Re:Why the negative? by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shop, band, and home ec' classes are all general-knowledge classes, whose principles apply to many aspects of life later on, regardless of what career path you choose.

      An MCSE certification is only useful in one particular field, under very particular circumstances. It looks good to parents, because every individual parent is going to be happy that their kid has a promising future in computers, but the reality is that most of those high-schoolers won't actually take a computer career, and most of those that eventually do will have another several years of college to learn other general skills before they'll (maybe) use that certified knowledge.

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    4. Re:Why the negative? by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This isn't just about Free Software.

      There are other brands of commercial software too. Microsoft isn't the only commercial software vendor in existence. Even their own payware applications suffer from severe UI churn.

      Even if you have Microsoft blinders on and love them, fixating on a single release of a single brand of product is problematic.

      The "hate anything Microsoft" approach does not require Free Software.

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    5. Re:Why the negative? by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If it was Apple or Linux, it would be the greatest idea since sliced bread.

      Ya think? :)

      If the title were Linux Certifications For High School Credits In Australia people would be shitting themselves in glee. [More so than usual...]

  4. MCSE? by drainbramage · · Score: 3, Informative

    MCSE: Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
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    They get school credit for that now?

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  5. Educational insitutions and vendors by wumbler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Several years back, I gave a few guest lectures at some local univesities about network security. Intrusion detection was an important topic. There are some very nice open source IDS out there, Snort obviously being the most well known one. So, what does the university do? Instead of using Snort as a basic teaching tool, they instead went for a proprietary solution of some mid-teer vendor. As a result, they passed on a perfectly good opportunity to let students take a look 'under the hood' and see how the inside of such a system works by examining the source code, limiting them to just fiddling with the UI of the proprietary vendor. Shameful!

    In the local press we can always read wonderful accounts how Microsoft "donated" millions of dollars worth of software to local schools. Of course, it's never reported that there is hardly any cost to Microsoft in doing so, definitely not millions, and that in return they get well-trained Microsof-monkeys entering the work force, knowing and demanding to only work with Mircosoft tools. Shameful!

    It began a long time ago when Apple started to be "generous" with discounts and donations to schools. Microsoft and other vendors are following this "proud" tradition: Schools miss the chance to teach actual understanding of fundamental principles and instead degenerate their courses into nothing more than vendor training. There is too much lobbying, wining and dining and backroom dealing going on here. Where open source should make huge inroads, instead the vendors are doing their best to lock in entire future generations.

  6. Cisco does it to. by mcbridematt · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was able to do the CCNA program as a unit for my high school certificate (VCE) here in Victoria, Australia. It was delivered through Cisco's Network Academy - to get the credit you had to pass the tests on netacad, but you still needed to sit the formal certification exams afterwards if you wanted the actual CCNA certification.

  7. Courses Include by DarthVain · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think some slashdotters might need some fundamental reading education.

    The summary says "Courses Include". It isn't just Microsoft.
    Article actually says "including SAP, Microsoft and Cisco".

    So long as there isn't exclusivity, the fact these are being offered free to students is a good thing. Yes there is a bit of lock in on the corporate side, that is why they do it for free. Why do you think there are "educational" copies of software for just about everything? Out of the goodness of their bleeding hearts? Heck I know we used Sun systems because they donated the lab to our University (not that I ever did again).

    High School gives you the basics, University gives you fundamentals. College/Technical school gives you certifications. To get a job, many go get certifications post university, I did. I am looking at getting another (Oracle, ya ya I know). However the fact that you can do it in high school, it counts as a credit, AND it is free? That has got to be a good thing. So long as it is not exclusionary (though I would imagine to get credit you would have to be a little discerning). Yes you have to keep up on certifications, or work in the field, but they are probably more or as useful as some of the non-core garbage offered in school these days.

  8. Simpsons already did that by Master+Moose · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This reminds me of the future school in the Simpsons that was sponsored by Pepsi. I believe credit could be gained by answering any question with Pepsi.

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