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Sweden Will Deliver Pirate Bay Co-Founder To Denmark
wiredmikey writes "Sweden said it will hand over Pirate Bay co-founder Gottfrid Svartholm Warg to Denmark where he is wanted for questioning on alleged hacking charges. 'It (the extradition) will take place on November 27,' the prosecutor in charge of the case, Henrik Olin, said, adding that Sweden was responding to an arrest warrant issued by Copenhagen. In June, Danish police revealed that the 30-year-old Swedish hacker is suspected of illegally downloading police files between April and August 2012. He is currently serving a one-year sentence in Sweden for hacking into the computer systems of contractors working for the national tax authority."
Free Julian? .... Thanks, but I have all I want already.
Seems like transporting him to Denmark means there is already a preformed conclusion.
It is customary to bring the accused to the judicial system where charges are to be considered, not the other way around, even in the EU.
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Yah this doesn't make much sense to me. If you want to question someone, why does this require shipping him around? Seems that sort of thing should be reserved at least for people who have actually been charged with something.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
You sure the US isn't just saying that in a press release hoping he will travel to a country with more lax extradition rules?
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There are no charges yet, unless they they are not being truthful in the claim that he is wanted for questioning. Also seems a fuckton cheaper to come to him, where he is already in prison (presumably interrogators don't need escorts and extra security to be moved)....at least UNTIL he is actually being formally accused of something.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
Sweden was tricked into sending him to Solvang, which looks like Denmark but isn't.
Yah this doesn't make much sense to me. If you want to question someone, why does this require shipping him around?
It's not like they're sending him to gitmo. It's the country next door. 300 miles at most. He doesn't even need to show his passport. Chill out dude.
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Because he has to be present and questioned to be charged. Same reason the swedes want Assange.
Yah this doesn't make much sense to me. If you want to question someone, why does this require shipping him around?
It's not like they're sending him to gitmo. It's the country next door. 300 miles at most. He doesn't even need to show his passport. Chill out dude.
300 miles or 3. We still use phones for a fucking reason. He's wanted for questioning, not a goddamn makeover.
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I'm confused--isn't he hiding out because he's worried about getting extradited to Sweden to face rape charges?
Okay but does Denmark not have telephones? email? iChat? Skype?
Also I'm an American, does Denmark have the right against self incrimination like we do? It would be a waste of money to ship him 300 miles for him to just say nothing and get shipped back.
Extraditing someone for charges is indeed customary. Extraditing someone for questioning is not.
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According to this he is being charged in Denmark. The extradition is not just for question. Denmark wants to put him on trial.
What I'm asking is why people are concerned about him being extradited to the US when, as far as anyone knows, the US doesn't want him.
Also I'm an American, does Denmark have the right against self incrimination like we do?
Not only does Denmark have a right against self incrimination, defendants in criminal cases cannot commit perjury and do not have to swear to tell the truth. There is no doubt that he will be given the rights of an accused person.
I believe the article is wrong though, the case against him has been under preparation by the Danish police for a long time. Formal charges cannot be far away.
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Don't be silly. He's hiding out because he's afraid of the United States. That's why he was freely roaming the streets of America's closest ally, a country with long-standing extradition agreements with the United States, and only decided to seek refuge after exhausting his appeals in the Swedish investigation.
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We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
The assumption is that once removed from England to Sweden, the US would be in a better position to get him extradited there.
As the GGP said, the thought is that the US hasn't announced a warrant yet, as they are waiting for him to be somewhere that they can use it before anyone knows they have one.
We do have all of that ...
Skype was actually developed by a Dane and a Swede, but your ignorance is forgiven since you are american.
The original investigation was carried out by swedish police who found the ties to the crime in Denmark. A Swedish judge has decided that the evidence is strong enough for a trial in Denmark.
What he is accused for is a crime in both Sweden and Denmark and the offended part is a danish authority. The penalty is also similar in both countries so it makes sense the trial him in Denmark.
He does have the right to stay silent, but he also has the right to defend himself, and compared to the cost of the investigation i don't think a couple of policemens salary and some plane tickets are going to matter much.
It is customary to bring the accused to the judicial system where charges are to be considered, not the other way around
Unless the charges in question are explosive. On the tip of a missile. *ducks (and covers)*
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There are no charges yet, unless they they are not being truthful in the claim that he is wanted for questioning.
Although I may be mistaken, I believe that Denmark's criminal procedure is broadly similar to Sweden's, as well as a number of other countries in the EU. Those countries have a different set of criminal procedures that involve a more formal investigation by the police, a prosecutor, or a judge prior to charges being filed. English and American law, for example, has no concept of an investigating judge prior to charging, but a number of countries in the EU do (not to mention other countries in the world). Because of that there are a number of countries that are part of the EU's treaty system that use extradition for questioning rather than just when charges have been filed.
I wouldn't make the mistake of assuming that just because it might be listed as "questioning" that it isn't serious. In some of the legal systems in Europe that questioning is the last formal step before charging, and must be completed before charging.
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That depends entirely upon the country in question and its criminal procedure. It is in fact customary to do exactly that (extradite for questioning) in a number of countries in Europe. In some systems the formal questioning is the last step before charging, and must be completed before charges can be filed.
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The fact that some legal systems apparently don't allow it. There are also legal systems that don't allow trial in absentia at all.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
I must have misunderstood the article when it said he was "wanted for questioning" instead of "extradition for trial". Questioning can be done via Skype. Forgive my American ignorance -- does "questioning" mean "trial" in Denmark? Here in America it means this:
QUESTIONING verb [ with obj. ]
ask questions of (someone), esp. in an official context: four men were being questioned about the killings
Thanks for your help answering my questions -- or should I say, "thanks for your help trying me for a crime"?
I fully agree with you. However, I also live int he US and have mostly seen the US "justice" system where they like to take a "take no chances" (and spare no jobs) attitude where arguments like "yes but what if we are wrong and he is violent and tries to make an escape" tend to win out over anything so...sensible.
So, what I would expect, is it actually takes more employees doing more travel and just overall costing more to transport him. However, you are correct, it is possible they could be even more sane than that, but given the option they went for, that seems an even more remote possibility.
Maybe the most likely alternate would be to do it in the Danish embassy so there is cost and job hours to spread around between both countries.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
whats the difference ... between what he did and what the NSA does on a routine basis and massive scale?
Governments have powers and attributes that ordinary individuals do not have. That is why it is pretty unlikely that you have the legal authority to sentence someone to jail or imprison them unless you are a judge in a court, for example. Nor is it likely that you have the power to tax other people.
Governments also have what is known as "sovereign immunity" for their actions. You probably don't have that attribute either.
I'm not sure why so many people on Slashdot are confused about this point.
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better 1000 innocent men punished than 1 guilty man go free....
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much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
I'm confused--isn't he hiding out because he's worried about getting extradited to Sweden to face rape charges?
Clearly your reading comprehension is lacking. The Wikipedia article you cite makes quite clear the fact that no charges have in fact been laid. It is claimed Julian is wanted for questioning, not to face (non-existent) "charges".
The weather is much better in Solvang, at least in the winter...
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I'm curious how something so incredibly ignorant can be marked insightful:
Joe Biden: "I would argue it is closer to being a high-tech terrorist than the Pentagon papers."
Mitch McConnell: ""a high-tech terrorist.. he has done enormous damage to our country. I think he needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law"
Newt Gingrich: "Information terrorism, which leads to people getting killed, is terrorism, and Julian Assange is engaged in terrorism. He should be treated as an enemy combatant."
Sarah Palin called for him to be pursued "with the same urgency we pursue al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders"
There's a whole list of influential congresspersons and other people in government who have called for his assassination or prosecution. It's public knowledge that the Attorney general has worked on prosecuting him, and there's been a grand jury, although the actual outcome is secret.
Basically, whether you think he should be prosecuted/assassinated or not, you would have to be living in a cave or willfully ignorant, or simply deceitful to claim that the US doesn't want him.
What you either don't know or are just ignoring is that Assange is Australian. Australia is a member of the Commonwealth of Nations. Australia might be able to get away with extraditing one of its own citizens to the US for a crime that's only supposed to be a crime when US citizens do it and that happened outside of US jurisdiction. If England does it, it creates a political problem both in England and in Australia. Sweden is a different story.