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China Creates Air Defence Zone Over Japan-Controlled Islands, Issues War Threat

cold fjord writes "France24 reports, "Beijing on Saturday announced it was setting up an 'air defence identification zone' over an area that includes islands controlled by Japan but claimed by China, in a move that could inflame the bitter territorial row. Along with the creation of the zone in the East China Sea, the defence ministry released a set of aircraft identification rules that must be followed by all planes entering the area, under penalty of intervention by the military. Aircraft are expected to provide their flight plan, clearly mark their nationality, and maintain two-way radio communication allowing them to 'respond in a timely and accurate manner to the identification inquiries' from Chinese authorities. The outline of the new zone ... covers a wide area of the East China Sea between South Korea and Taiwan that includes the Tokyo-controlled islands known as the Senkakus to Japan and Diaoyous to China. "China's armed forces will adopt defensive emergency measures to respond to aircraft that do not cooperate in the identification or refuse to follow the instructions," according to the ministry. ' The Politico adds, "Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel said Saturday the United States is 'deeply concerned'" over the move. Spiegel Online has background on the conflict with Japan and on related regional issues. This announcement follows the recent publication in Chinese state media of maps showing nuclear strike plans against the U.S."

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  1. Most of this will be about internal politics by gilgongo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Far east Asian foreign policy is even more about playing off internal factions than it is in the West. I bet this is just a case of the Chinese making nasty noises in the hope that a) somebody will be placated, and b) Japan will know this and just play along until things die down.

    The chances of nukes and bang bangs over this are very, very low. See also North Korea.

    --
    "And the meaning of words; when they cease to function; when will it start worrying you?"
    1. Re:Most of this will be about internal politics by EdIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well.... what do you want to do?

      There's Too-big-to-fail and there is also Too-big-to-fight.

      You simply cannot engage China in war. The end result is so catastrophic both economically and otherwise. Too damn big. Plus, it's across the Pacific Ocean. How the hell do you even land troops and create a reliable beach head? This is many orders more complicated than D-Day in terms of logistics, infrastructure, materials, intelligence, keeping the element of surprise, etc.

      Japan can and will put up a hell of a fight, but everyone knows they will lose in the end. Simply a matter of numbers. South Korea and Taiwan are the same. It's still a big maybe if Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan all form an alliance and attack/defend against China.

      Russia should be able to put up on hell of a fight too. No way to know for certain who would win. I would bet on the Russians though as those people are crazy, drunk, fearless, and in general, up for some shit. I've seen their dash cams. That guy lowered his visor with a meteor crashing down like it was just Tuesday. No, I don't really want to fight Russians either.

      It all comes down to the sheer numbers that China has. IIRC, it has a militia numbering 3+ million with a regular army comparable in size to Russia. It's ability to manufacture instruments of war easily rivals and exceeds that of the US during WWII. Technology wise is anyone's guess.

      You're left with fucking around in diplomatic circles and threatening sanctions. That ultimately only works if China cares. If China truly doesn't care they can annex the whole area and there is not much the world could do about it.

      Unless you want World War III. Don't be too certain which side the Russians will choose either.

  2. Re:War by jythie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Civil War seems more likely. All of this posturing seems to be more intended to impress their own people then outsiders and can be read as a government nervous about keeping its all powerful image to an increasingly wealthy population.

  3. Re:Don't look now by russotto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...but theres nothing the US can do to stop them. Maybe prior to 2000, maybe prior to 1990, but after years of appeasements, transfers of critical technology, and currency manipulations, the Chinese have the US by the short and curlies. Nobody wants to say it, but that doesn't mean it isn't so.

    And if the US were to start patrolling the region, pointedly ignoring Chinese demands, what precisely do you think the Chinese would do about it? "Accidentally" shoot down a US plane?

  4. Re:Don't look now by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They would pointedly ram a few ships with fishing boats for real. Then post nice picture of US marines shooting up peaceful looking fishermen. You know, like Greenpeace does, and like Chinese have been doing to US anti-sub ships for years now.

    Then, after a major scandal, if US still decided to stick to its guns and not bow down and apologize (as it likely would as at that point, any politician trying to do otherwise would likely go the way of JFK very quickly), you'd have a real cold war on your hands. We're talking breakdown of trade relations, sanctions and likely worldwide economic depression that would follow splitting of the world in two. You'd likely have NATO on one side, and Russia backed China with all its vassal states on the other with most of Latin America leaning strongly to support China, Australia dithering leaving NATO to avoid complete economic meltdown when they suddenly can't sell their mining produce to it any more and other massive geopolitical reverbations. It would also completely untie chinese hands in places like Nothern Africa to stop acting covertly in buying everything with money they have, and start making open offers to the countries of the region to join their side in exchange for massive trade benefits. And they could afford it far better than US or EU, that are currently stuck in a serious long term economical financial mess already which would be massively exacerbated by massive loss of trade with China.
    China would be suffering essentially the same consequences, with US and EU getting the ability to openly assault its strongholds in Easten Africa both financially and via military means "oh they are harboring terrorists!", as well as likely putting up heavy pressure on Latin America to cut down on trade.

    Essentially it would be a massive loss for everyone in the world save for third world countries, who would likely benefit greatly from two sides investing in them strongly to keep them in their sphere of influence. Which is why it would never happen - if there still are politicians in the West who are not wholly owned by corporate elite, they would be promptly assassinated or removed from power via other means to avoid such a disastrous outcome.

  5. Re:War by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    but no, not this time either.

    I doubt if this will turn into a real war.* China is mostly just pandering to their own population as a smoke screen for the changes that came out of the recent CCP meeting in Beijing. This sort of pandering works well in China. Because of gender-selective abortions, they have tens of millions of unattached young men in their late teens and twenties, with little chance of starting a family or even finding a GF. It is very easy to stir these young men up into an anti-Japanese frenzy. In fact, the hard part is keeping a lid on it. The last time the Chinese government tried this, they ended up with riots, and torched Japanese cars and Japanese restaurants, despite both the cars and restaurants having Chinese owners.

    *OTOH, almost everyone thought the same thing in July of 1914.