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The Best Way To Blow the Whistle

bmahersciwriter writes "Helene Hill thought she was close to retirement when, on a whim one day, she decided to check on a junior colleague's cell cultures. They were empty, she says, yet he produced data from them soon after. Blowing the whistle on what she thinks was research misconduct cost her 14 years and $200,000. See how she and other whistleblowers fared in this story from Nature."

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  1. Duh by Ignacio · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Poorly. Rock the boat, and you can expect to be thrown off. It's the Human Way.

    1. Re:Duh by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't matter which kind of business you are in if you blow the whistle - you will get beaten harder than the offender.

      There are other ways - anonymous leaks to the top brass, press and authorities, "accidents" causing "essential" material to disappear or be destroyed. (oops, I accidentally dropped your PC out the window... Or just a "mix-up" of PC:s at the workplace) At worst a fire cleansing.

      Or you just STFU.

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    2. Re:Duh by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, you have to do it right. She went in and made a stink, made the entire affair about her. That's the WRONG way to do it. I've had to rat some people out in my profession before, and my approach is always the same. Gather clear and obvious evidence. Take it to which-ever superior you think is clever enough to understand it. Then play dumb as a rock... "I ran across this while doing some work... I really don't get what it means. Why would be do this or this? It seems like he intentionally did it but I don't think he'd do that!" then your desire to remain out of the subject, anonymous.

      You've now given the superior permission to take full credit for the discovery. Instead of it looking like YOU are on a witch hunt and personally dislike the target, it's now your bosses show. If they don't follow through or fail in some miserable fashion, you can review their failure or reason for rejecting the idea, refine your approach and go to another superior with new data. Sometimes you don't have enough evidence. That's fine, bad people like to repeat their offenses. Sit and wait and it will happen again, this time you can be ready and collect more data.

      Granted, I'm in IS. So most of my Whistle blowing involves security breaches by upper management, who think security is for us Peons... or rolling out projects with no testing... that sort of thing. So it's in the companies best interest to correct the issue immediately. I've gotten several people in much higher pay scales than I fired and I doubt more than a couple of people in the whole company have any idea I was involved.

      I can't reiterate enough how important it is to remain anonymous. Even if you're successful, you don't want to be "that guy" at work that everyone knows is out to get everyone. Stay quiet, let others take the glory. This kind of glory is tainted, you don't want it.

  2. Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfortunately, the corporate world has become very much like the political arena.

    Honesty is no longer treasured.

    No matter if it's Helen Hill or Edward Snowden, as long as you blew the whistle on wrongdoings of others, you will get punished.

    The world we live in is becoming more and more fake.

    Lies worth much more than truth.

    Fakeries work much better than honesty.

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    1. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by BringsApples · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Liars only ever trust other liars. To a liar, people that only tell the truth are a burden, and they feel that those people need to stay the fuck out of other people's business.

      Likewise, people that tell the truth only ever like people that tell the truth. They feel that the others are fucking up the world for their own temporary benefit.

      This is probably a fundamental reason behind 'to what degree' whistle-blowers suffer in the world.

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    2. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Lucky_Pierre · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Corporate world? Hardly. The story is about the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey.......that's in the "academic world" .......that beacon of intellectual honesty and moral superiority we're all supposed to bow down to.

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    3. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by ISoldat53 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It happens in the government too. I lost a career doing it.

    4. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by oldhack · · Score: 2

      Nah, you are just getting bit older, more bitter, and perhaps bit wiser. It has always been thus more or less, in the corporate world, academia, or anywhere else.

      20-30 years in the "grown-up" society, more honest/perceptive among us geezers come to recognize our own dirty hands in the messy state of things.

      Wiser still would be to try to make things a tiny bit better for the young'uns...

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    5. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by ebno-10db · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I see you're already up to +5 (for good reason).

      What many would see as the surprising, or questionable, notion, is that liars only trust other liars. What it is though is only trusting people who play by the same set of rules as you, and it's irrelevant that the rules are crooked. Only trust your own kind. Another liar may be your enemy, but at least you understand him. Liars always try to act in their own self-interest, but those honest people are unpredictable, and their motives difficult to understand. How can you trust someone you can't understand, and hence whose behavior is totally unpredictable? It's like being with someone who most of the time is perfectly reasonable, but at unpredictable moments flies into wild irrational rages, screaming about demons seen only by them, like "ethics" and "truthfulness".

    6. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the corporate world has become very much like the political arena.

      Honesty is no longer treasured.

      "Has become"? "No longer"? Look, whistleblowers have always been treated badly. Governmental, corporate, academic--no matter what kind of organization you're in, the organization will react badly to anything it sees as a threat. And the problem gets worse the larger the organizations are. In small groups, human beings act like human beings, but in large groups, they act more like the cells of some vast organism. Imagine how you'd react if some of your muscle cells suddenly started refusing to contract when you told them to, even if by that refusal they were preventing you from doing something you really shouldn't do.

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    7. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's like being with someone who most of the time is perfectly reasonable, but at unpredictable moments flies into wild irrational rages, screaming about demons seen only by them...

      Ahh.. I see you've met my ex

    8. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      This was a case of the academic world and also the 14 years and costs were also self imposed on her by her relentless bid to expose the lies. While I applaud her efforts the tone of the summary here is somewhat misleading as it sounded like she was unfairly punished for revealing the truth.

    9. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by camperdave · · Score: 2

      Since when is the government a "beacon of intellectual honesty and moral superiority".

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    10. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are editorials going back more than a century saying the exact same things you are saying. It's all going to hell, blah blah blah.

      And they were right. A century ago we were heading into WWI, WWII and the Cold War under perpetual threat of nuclear destruction, where we avoided destroying life on Earth as much by luck as intelligence.

    11. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by noh8rz10 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Edward snowden, is that you?

    12. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This was a case of the academic world and also the 14 years and costs were also self imposed on her by her relentless bid to expose the lies. While I applaud her efforts the tone of the summary here is somewhat misleading as it sounded like she was unfairly punished for revealing the truth.

      You are assuming that her claims that her colleague falsified data were valid. She made her accusations and presented her data to numerous people, including people outside her institution. NONE of them agreed with her analysis. It is likely that she was simply wrong. TFA is only telling her side of the story.

    13. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Ateocinico · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Whole cultures are based on that. The Spanish speaking world, my own, goes by this rule: one thing is what is said and faked and other what is thought and done. And what they hate the most from immigrants and visitors from other cultures is that they take what is said in its strict meaning. Believe it or not.

    14. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, they have. It is considered a significant and important achievement in a child's development when it starts lying, because lying shows that the child understands that other people have different knowledge about the world. Before a child understands this, there's no point in lying: If you believe that everybody knows the same, why tell something that isn't true? The others know it isn't true, right? So lying is an indication that a child has established itself as an individual with different experiences and knowledge. The first step is just to realize that lying is possible. The second step is to learn to lie convincingly. The latter requires insight into the realm of experience and knowledge of the person being lied to. People who always tell the truth may be doing so because they never learned to lie convincingly, so they got caught most of time and stopped doing it.

    15. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by weilawei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While politeness may be a useful social lubricant, engendering mental dichotomy on such a scale is simply begging for errors in communication. Perhaps it has "always" been that way, but must it be?

    16. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by BringsApples · · Score: 2

      It's not just a philosophy. If everyone raised their children to 'take whatever you can get out of life, regardless how', then would they all win?

      Of course not. I'll share a youtube video with you, I hope I'm not being lame. But in order for everyone to win, we all have to not only be honest, but also respectful. In this way, respect and honesty are directly tied together. And now for the video

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    17. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by slick7 · · Score: 2

      I see you're already up to +5 (for good reason).

      What many would see as the surprising, or questionable, notion, is that liars only trust other liars. What it is though is only trusting people who play by the same set of rules as you, and it's irrelevant that the rules are crooked. Only trust your own kind. Another liar may be your enemy, but at least you understand him. Liars always try to act in their own self-interest, but those honest people are unpredictable, and their motives difficult to understand. How can you trust someone you can't understand, and hence whose behavior is totally unpredictable? It's like being with someone who most of the time is perfectly reasonable, but at unpredictable moments flies into wild irrational rages, screaming about demons seen only by them, like "ethics" and "truthfulness".

      "Trust and you will be trusted", said the liar to the fool.

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      The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
    18. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the corporate world has become very much like the political arena.

      Well, a corporation is like a miniature communist dystopia (or Soviet-style communist countries are modeled after corporations, whichever one you prefer), complete with internal police, hilariously untrue propaganda, purges, ass-covering, ideologically driven directives, low efficiency that gets hidden by creative reporting or outright lying, etc. Pretty much the only difference is that you get a boot rather than a bullet when it's time to leave. Unless you pissed someone off and they want to make an example of you, in which case things like the summary happen.

      You can't really expect rational behaviour from such an absurd setup, so don't take it so seriously. Sit back, enjoy the farce, and if you want to expose something, make sure the leak can't be traced back to you.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  3. Hmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the slashdot entry at the top: "Blowing the whistle on what she thinks was research misconduct cost her 14 years..."

    From the linked article: "Hill would spend the next 14 years trying to expose what she believes to be a case of scientific misconduct. "

    Reading the slashdot entry, I thought that she went to jail for 14 years, which she didn't. :)

  4. Misleading Summary by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Informative

    Blowing the whistle on what she thinks was research misconduct cost her 14 years and $200,000.

    What actually happened, from the article: she thinks a colleague forged results, and spent 14 years and $200,000 voluntarily pursuing court action, which repeatedly found there was no wrong-doing. She was not fired, was not fined, was not imprisoned.

    The summary's deliberately phrased to be inflammatory, and imply that she was persecuted for whistle-blowing.

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    1. Re:Misleading Summary by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Welcome to FoxDot. Flamebait for nerds, news that are fabricated.

    2. Re:Misleading Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Quite frankly, that's not whistleblowing, that's an obsession. She even almost admits it. There is a desire for truth, but when you've gathered all the information and the world still doesn't want to hear it, let it go. If you've blown the whistle and everybody tells you to keep the noise down, it's not your fault. At that point, just make sure anybody who looks for the paper also finds the damning analysis, then move on.

    3. Re:Misleading Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder how much she had to pay slashdot or dice.com to get this story posted....

    4. Re:Misleading Summary by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ok, then. She had an expensive hobby, and it made it into Slashdot. I'm good.

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  5. explained by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

    Blowing the whistle on what she thinks was research misconduct cost her 14 years and $200,000.

    This sounds juicy, and if you read the actual article, it is.

    If anyone is wondering why it cost her $200,000 (and doesn't want to read the article, though I couldn't imagine why), it's because after the university committee on ethics determined that there was no evidence of misconduct, she decided to file a lawsuit, which she also lost.

    Even after losing the lawsuit, she is still trying to get her coworker disciplined, which is why the dean warned her that she could lose her job as a result. But she is continuing. Choice quote from the article, in explanation of why she continues the fight:

    “I want to finish,” she says. “It becomes almost an obsession.”

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    1. Re:explained by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      I know a guy who was "done wrong" by an academic institution, and he took it to court and won, judgement was that his situation was not handled properly by the Uni... and it made absolutely zero difference in the future of his life, except that he had a judge on his side agreeing with him.

  6. from what i seen how whistleblowers are treated by FudRucker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i would most definitely blow the whistle anonymously, maybe post on some forums and upload videos from a public library or public wifi hotspot while using fake names for signing on anywhere

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  7. Yes, boat rockers are statistically likely... by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    to wind up swimming. The vast majority of folks are willing to pipe down in the face of consequences and repercussions. Call the other option what you will: foolhardy, insubordinate, obstinate, or brave... all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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  8. There's plenty of scientific misconduct out there by umafuckit · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I work in research and I've seen or heard of plenty of misconduct. They don't always get fired. Off the top of my head:

    1. Research assistant at a friend's lab was fabricating data in order to shirk off. They discovered it because the variance of the fabricated data was weird. He admitted it when challenged and was fired.
    2. PhD student I know fabricated data in order to do less work. He did a bad job of it, though, and was easily caught. He admitted it but further action wasn't taken because the lab wanted to avoid a scandal and the results weren't published. Eventually he produced a shitty thesis and was told to re-submit. He failed to do this but is writing on his CV that he has the degree.
    3. Post-doc currently on my floor claimed to have produced a set of data but we all know it's a lie because: a. he didn't us the equipment at any point. b. he doesn't know how to use the equipment. c. he can't show the raw data. Was challenged by his boss and denied it. That was last year, he's still here, he's done no work, he's an arrogant prick, everyone hates him and nobody talks to him any more.
    4. Post-doc in a friend's lab manipulated raw data out of all recognition. He was caught because the raw data looked nothing like his claims. He was challenged and fired.

    I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time.

  9. Take a deep breath by slinches · · Score: 3, Funny

    What's the best way to blow the whistle?

    Take a deep breath, put your lips around the whistle's mouthpiece and exhale forcefully?

    Oh, you meant figuratively? I'd say, that the best way is to avoid working with people who are unethical so whistle blowing isn't necessary. If you do happen to end up in a situation that you know something untoward is going on, report it. But only report it to someone you trust will behave responsibly and has the authority to resolve the issue. If that person doesn't exist, start polishing up your resume and look around for a better place to work.

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    1. Re:Take a deep breath by Kardos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah sure. How many tenured profs who notice misconduct are going to walk away from their post?

  10. Faking stuff may have been a habit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Take a look at the Prof Sanna's ratings as a teacher: sounds like a real asset to the faculty, right?

    Now notice when most of the flattering reviews were posted.

    Now look at when Sanna resigned.

  11. Ya but this doesn't look like a case of it by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So she said "This data is faked!" the university looked in to it, they have committees for that kind of thing as I'm sure you know, and said that no, they could find no evidence of wrongdoing. So she got the federal Office of Research Integrity involved, they looked in to it, and said "Nope we see no evidence of wrongdoing here." So she took it to court, and lost the case, appealed it, and lost that case.

    This would seem to be a case where she's wrong. She thought she saw misconduct, but she was incorrect, but she's pushing this anyhow.

    Remember that just because scientific misconduct happens does not mean all accusations of misconduct are true.

    1. Re:Ya but this doesn't look like a case of it by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      There simply does not seem to be enough proof.

      Either she is very crazy or she did see the misconduct and just cannot admit that she can never prove it.

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    2. Re:Ya but this doesn't look like a case of it by umafuckit · · Score: 2

      There simply does not seem to be enough proof.

      Either she is very crazy or she did see the misconduct and just cannot admit that she can never prove it.

      The other option is to simply repeat the questionable experiment. If the same result is obtained, then at least the literature is correct even if the original study was tainted. If a different result is obtained then follow it up and demonstrate conclusively that the original study was wrong. At least now the incorrect result will be shown for what it is. Duplicating the science seems like a better way of spending your time than pursuing a legal challenge whose outcome depends on hearsay.

  12. Plan Your Action by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    Before you blow the whistle you need to contact a quality lawyer and be advised. You may need to file a report with an outside agency in order to get whistle blower protection in the courts. If you work with any kind of in house security or internal affairs you may gain extra protection if you are a paid informant. That pay could be one penny or one dollar. Also the timing of blowing the whistle could be vital. For example getting a review and a raise and blowing the whistle just afterward make sit harder to claim your work is defective. But back to the original point first get a lawyer. The reality is that you will probably be fired. Regardless of what the law says you probably can never return to work. But if done correctly you may earn a lot more money by blowing the whistle than you could ever hope to earn from work. So many companies are involved in illegal activities that whistle blowing could be an entire career for the right person.

  13. When I teach my child about why she shouldn't lie, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    what I tell her is this:

    Yes, when you lie, your peers will punish you when they find out. But that's not the real issue.

    When you're a liar, you're projecting a false self as a problem solving tool. This forces you to keep multiple versions of reality in your head.

    Carried systematically across a lifetime, this will cause you to become a person made up of many people, none of whom are you.

    Eventually, you will not know who you are, or what you believe, and when you meet a strong person with integrity, you will be unable to hold a form of your own in their presence.

    This is a road to hell on earth, a hell contained within ones own mind, where the wind can blow your identity to and fro at a moments notice, and you live in a constant state of fearful reactionary adjustment of self.

    What it all boils down to is this: people are not worth lying to.

    http://experiencelife.com/article/walking-your-talk-the-path-of-personal-integrity/

    http://melodylovesthis.com/parentingohyes/kids-and-lying-why-truth-matters/