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Computer Model Reveals Escape Plan From Poverty's Vicious Circle
KentuckyFC writes "Infectious disease condemns poor countries to an endless cycle of ill health and poverty. Now a powerful new model of the link between disease and economic growth has revealed why some escape plans work while others just make matters worse. The problem is that when workers suffer from poor health, economic output goes down. And if economic output goes down, there is less to spend on healthcare. And if spending on healthcare drops, workers become less healthy. And so on. So an obvious solution is for a country to spend more on healthcare. But the new model says governments must take care since the cost to a poor country can send the economy spiraling into long term decline. By contrast, an injection of capital from outside the country allows spending on healthcare to increase without any drop in economic output. 'We find that a large influx of capital is successful in escaping the poverty trap, but increasing health spending alone is not,' say the authors. And the amount required is relatively little. The model suggests that long-term investment needs only to be more than 15 per cent of the cost of healthcare. But anything less than this cannot prevent the vicious circle of decline."
Keep your people healthy and they'll live longer, work longer and pay more tax.
What kind of idiot hasn't realised this yet? (obviously, America)
As a one-off payment to kickstart better healthcare, which results in better health of workers and then more output, so you can spend more on healthcare...etc.
Yep... Haiti is a perfect example of how throwing money at a problem really helps... oh wait...
Most "poor" countries to which we send aid, are being plundered just as hard, or even harder. Every time we send food aid to some poor African or central American country, the local farmers get no money for the little food they produce and the local market is ruined, stopping local production of food instead of encouraging it.
Every time we demand the lowest price for all the stuff we import from those countries, we make them find ways to produce even cheaper, lowering the standard of life there. This results in pricing that is so low that our own economy can't compete and we put import taxes on these goods. This results in the foreign producers being forced to lower their prices even more, again ruining their economy and health.
Instead of "sending aid" every time a famine or natural disaster strikes one of these countries, we should stop plundering them. Micro credits for local businesses there have helped a lot, investing in farming for local food supply helps. These people are perfectly capable of helping themselves, given half a chance.
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In real science control groups are required to establish causality.
Social scientists are as terrified of real control groups testing causal hypotheses in human ecology as were the Jesuits of independent interpretations of the Bible. This is because social science is essentially a pre-enlightenment theocratic discipline:
If the powers-that-be oppose your social "science" then no matter how much data you gather, some variant of "correlation doesn't imply causation" will be trotted out to ignore it.
If the powers-that-be like your social "science" then the NYT will take one data point -- perhaps even one anecdote about one person at some point in history and base public policy on it. With the mass media holding mass and preaching said sermons the pious slaves to intellectual fashion, generally those with college degrees from the seminaries known as "colleges", and and with IQs below 140 who like to pretend to be morally superior "thought leaders" (knowing they have safety in numbers from hearing sermons at "mass") will then to the dirty work on the street.
Moreover, this theocratic sophistry, imposing social theories on unwilling human subjects, locks into place powerful interests that oppose any truth-discovery.
From Machiavelli's "The Prince" chapter 6:
If we are ever to escape this vicious cycle driven by the social sciences, the Enlightenment must penetrate them through Sortocracy:
Sorting proponents of social theories into governments that test them.
Fortunately, like the Protestant movement's impetus to independently interpret the Bible due to the Gutenberg press, the Internet is now letting people have direct access to and independent interpretation of data about human ecologies -- and the demand for freedom from imposition of social theories on unwilling human subjects will increase until freedom from theocratic forms of government -- and their social scientist theologians -- will win the day.
In the process, as with the wars for freedom of religion that lasted over a century, we cannot expect this penetration of Enlightenment values into the social sciences to take place without a struggle.
Seastead this.
So long as we just focus on *treatment* of the sick, costs will continue to spiral.
A general influx of cash doesn't just focus on treatment of those sick - it starts to alleviate the issues that allow disease to spread in the first place (lack of hygene, lack of vaccination, lack of clean water, lack of balanced food (and complete meals), and lack of general preventive care, and lack of birth control - ALL things people in poverty already lack).
Health care costs get under control when the focus is on prevention rather than treatment: you spend FAR less money when fewer people get sick. When you use the capital to address the causes of disease rather than just treating it, you spend much less on treating the ones that got away.
Relatedly, this is why insurance companies love birth control - a pill a day and a box full of condoms is far cheaper to them than the thousands of dollars for examinations, the birth, emergency natal care, and having to cover the kid for the next 26 years.
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Not throwing money, focussing on the health and wellbeing of the people. In Haiti, that has been a success, due to the hard work of Haitians and international volunteers in providing health care, food, shelter and supplies.
The problem you are alluding to, that money for Haiti has been used by intermediary groups and governments as an in-and-out scheme to launder money and prop-up domestic business failures is quite different. The responsibility for first world corruption should remain in the first world.
One lesson that seems to be glossed over here is that since richer countries fare better, then making a country richer is (according to the model) a successful strategy for mitigating the harm of disease (and probably a huge variety of disasters, natural and man-made, as well). But my take is that there's a lot of countries, both rich and poor, which are trying hard to make their countries poorer and hence, more susceptible to disease under this model.
Back in 1900, virtually everyone was suffering from the same diseases. The Western world had discovered the benefits of public sanitation and fire control, but a lot of places still didn't have that. Medicine was still in the sawbones era where uncontrollable infections routinely led to amputation. What changed from then to now is that the developed world developed, including vast knowledge of pathology and the biology of our bodies.
Everyone on the planet can use that development process as a template, readily subject to local modification. It's something that has been demonstrated to work, to make people wealthier and healthier. And they are doing so. I think it's getting better.
Just a bit disingenuous, no? The countries with the socialist bias are almost always about to run out of money, even with crazy tax rates (eg sweden).
I guess we know who Jobs willed his Reality Distortion Field to.
Sweden has, as a percentage of GDP, less than half as much debt as the USA.
Norway is very decidedly in the black with their pension fund.
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What a load of stupid garbage. Anyone that thinks politics, economics, culture, geography, and the happenstance of history doesn't rule the destiny of nations is an idiot.
To claim its all down to healthcare is just mindless self serving statistics for healthcare aid organizations. To claim that all the worlds many problems will just go away if we have healthcare. How completely stupid.
Obviously poor health contributes to poor economic conditions. But as someone that has actually been to these countries and seen what is really going on... the poor health is itself a symptom.
In Nigeria for example there are villages with open pit wells. Just a hole in the ground where water bubbles up. No effort made to keep it clean or sanitary. They wash animals in the same pit they drink from. SHOCKINGLY they get horribly ill with some frequency.
This is a problem that was solved about 6000 years ago if not earlier. You create a series of step wells. The highest step is either human drinking water or completely left untouched. The next step is for cleaning. And the step after that is for animals.
This costs nothing to build. Literally nothing. You can use dirt/clay from the area and just build this with local labor at a cost of literally nothing. Not 2 dollars a day. Not 10 cents a day. ZERO.
And yet they drink from the open pit well and get all sorts of horrible water born diseases.
The politics and culture in most poor countries is beyond hopeless. You're dealing with entrenched ways of doing things that kill.
If you want to fix these places you need to graft a new culture into their community that actually is effective. This isn't colonialism. We're not sending our own people over there to live permanently. Rather, you build a reasonable village for these people and structure it along lines that will be successful. That is your best chance at bringing real change to those parts of the world.
If you lack the "care" to do that... then just leave them alone. You're just wasting everyone's time otherwise.
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We have tried this many times before.
Send lots of money.
The debt from this money is then leveraged to get the country to sell its resources to international corporations.
The people of the country now have to pay for water, and are restricted from hunting and fishing on their native lands.
The people cannot afford to pay for this privatized food or water and cannot gather it themselves any longer, so they starve to death.
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