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Snowden Document Says Dutch Secret Service Hacks Internet Forums
vikingpower writes "In the ever-longer wake of the NSA scandal, much-respected Dutch newspaper NRC today reveals, in English, as mandated by the gravity of the occasion, that the Dutch secret service, the AIVD, hacks internet forums. And yes, that is gross misconduct against Dutch law. The service, whose headquarters are in Zoetermeer, did not yet comment upon the divulgence of the document from Edward Snowden's collection. Incensed Dutch parliamentarians are calling for an enquiry."
"in English, as mandated by the gravity of the occasion" -- um, what?
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remotely monitoring and altering brain waves
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=16&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=3,951,134&OS=3,951,134&RS=3,951,134
United States Patent 3,951,134
Abstract
Apparatus for and method of sensing brain waves at a position remote from a subject whereby electromagnetic signals of different frequencies are simultaneously transmitted to the brain of the subject in which the signals interfere with one another to yield a waveform which is modulated by the subject's brain waves. The interference waveform which is representative of the brain wave activity is re-transmitted by the brain to a receiver where it is demodulated and amplified. The demodulated waveform is then displayed for visual viewing and routed to a computer for further processing and analysis. The demodulated waveform also can be used to produce a compensating signal which is transmitted back to the brain to effect a desired change in electrical activity therein.
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People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch
Surprise! Every govt has an intelligence service and every intelligence service spends at least part of its time spying on its own citizens. If this is news to you, then you will surely be traumatized when you find out that every country tortures people during wars and most torture a few during times of peace. Who do you think Lady GaGa sells most of her recordings to?
Last sentence of the TFA:
Incensed Dutch parliamentarians are calling for an enquiry
Are the politicians really incensed ?
Aww ...
Please don't disappoint me.
Please don't tell me that the Dutch politicians are all angels !!
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Just because so many governments do it, it doesn't make it any more right. Quite the contrary. This revelation only removes "the Moral High Ground" from another nation's people.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
Are we all surprised still by these documents?
I am Bennett Haselton! I am Bennett Haselton!
It might not be news, but it is still stuff that matters!
I want the world I live in to be a good place, not a place where, as you put it, people are tortured and spied upon. I want to be able to sleep at night, knowing that my government works for basic human rights, including the right to privacy and the right to not be tortured in some prison camp!
The more the wrongdoings of the governments of the west are exposed, the easier it is to stand up against them using non-violent means like voting and demonstrating. So, don't come here and tell me that it isn't in the category news and/or stuff that matters. I for one don't accept the world I live in, and I want to change it for the better.
Sick of this "Everyone does it!".
Child trafficking is rampant.
So it's OK if I do it?
Sure, it wasn't good when the NSA was spying, the GCHQ revelations made the situation worse. Australian spying was pretty bad too.
But, Dutch internet spying is taking it all just too far. This is the tipping point, the world's civilian populace will surely rise up against Dutch spying!
Ooh The Voice(wost show ever) is on!
The real question is, of course, if Slashdot is using mySQL as well.
(Don't bother: if you did not read the article, you will not understand the comment)
Surprise! Every govt has an intelligence service and every intelligence service spends at least part of its time spying on its own citizens.
Yes, we know, you knew this ages ago before anyone else because it's obvious, and nobody else should be surprised. Knowing is not the point. The point is that a lot of people weren't aware of the extent or scale of it, and "revealing" this information with solid proof of what's going on sparks a debate in the relevant countries of whether or not this is acceptable and whether or not they're OK with it. The fact that it is going on is not the big deal here, the big deal is whether or not people think it is acceptable, and that debate can only be informed with solid information rather than "of course they spy on us! That's obvious!" hand waving. You make it sound like we should never start discussions about what our governments are up to because it's all so obvious anyway.
As an aside, the oversight committee says that some of what they did was "“not in accordance with Dutch law”, and a few Dutch MPs are calling for an inquiry. What happens (or doesn't as the case may be) in response to that can be say a lot of interesting things about a government and again help citizens form an opinion of their government or their neighbours government.
Man, ok... I'm so tired of this Snowden Spooling of news that I'm about to vomit. It's not going to be long before I myself go on a snowden-hunt/rampage, just to get all of the goddamned info finally. It appears that his way of dealing with news that affects us all is similar to playing all sides. So the world has been taken hostage, and/or is being used as a bargaining chip it appears. After all, how the hell do we know that information isn't being used as a blackmail device, and if the government's don't pay up, then RELEASE!
Who cares that now the Dutch government hacks internet forums. Does their local police abuse power? Are their people nervous all the time, waiting for the next "Snowden Revelation"? Are there any Dutch folks on slashdot that could tell us a bit about your impression of this article? And if so, could you also let us know to what degree 'The People' of Holland fear their government?
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And yes, that is gross misconduct against Dutch law.
Just because Snowden alleges anything doesn't necessarily mean that thing is true. Snowden must provide enough proof (be it direct or indirect) for his claims to be actually taken seriously.
Therefore, by logic, the OP should have actually commented "what WOULD BE gross misconduct against Dutch law".
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The AIVD did comment, even before the NRC published the article: https://www.aivd.nl/actueel/@3033/interception/ (Dutch)
And after the article was published: https://www.aivd.nl/actueel/@3034/reactie-nrc/ (Dutch)
According to them, this is allowed by the current law. However, a lot of parties in parliament and expers don't agree with this assesment and are starting actions to disallow this kind of investigation.
Only because they fear they may be spied on too.
"Snowden says all dogs go to heaven!"
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
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It looks like the scandal in The Netherlands about the NSA from what is revealed by Snowden, is mainly the *lack* of anything scandalous at all. There was a four-page article in a leading newspaper the other week about it, and the most it could claim was that we were infiltrated from 1947 until 1968 and that, every now and then, they might take a poorly protected mySQL database on some poor slob's website.
I don't mean to sound like those other 'security experts' who feign fatigue and familiarity with NSA's practices, but this one mainly stood out by its complete and utter boringness, I tell you.
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I would like to remind them, that as a trusted slashdot presonality, I, Anonymous Coward, can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their undergorund data mines.
The OP was probably just gloating because many non-U.S. has been condemning U.S. for spying and torturing as if it doesn't go on by all as human nature.
The point is that a lot of people weren't aware of the extent or scale of it
Most people didn't know about this at all. Unsurprisingly, most people are also highly unintelligent.
Whenever one of their citizens posts a new movie on the Internet, they invariably hard code Dutch Subtitles, despite the fact that using the .mkv format *it's more difficult to hard code Subtitles than simply mux them in.
Every time you see one of these, you know the Dutch are just dumb.
I am not my government.
I do not want this.
Therefore I can be outraged at YOUR government's villainy just fine, thank you.
Anybody thinking that Russia took him so that they got a chance to censor their secrets?
Reminds me of the scene in Iron Sky when the President asks "OK, anybody who doesn't have an armed space station raise their hand."
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
News Flash! Intelligence agencies caught gathering intelligence! Film at 11!
Yes, let's accept despicable behaviour to make ourselves look jaded and cool on the internet. That is a great solution to all problems!
Ot should that be "whose client they are".
Who gives.
Apathic troll.
Die.
While certain diplomatic and economic relations are under strain and protests go on all over, it's important to note that none of the surveillance and other civil rights and outright illegal activity has slowed or stopped at all. In some ways it seems to have increased.
Demanding that these activities cease is action #1.
At least they don't hard code their !@#$%%# subtitles before the upload their rips. Even they're not that discourteous.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
It really bothers me how many Americans have called Snowden a traitor. He is a hero braving to do what too few others in the know have done.
So your point is...?
- We should all just shut up like good sheeple?
- We should learn to like spying?
- Torture is good!
- They are saving us from the terrorists!
- Lady Gaga?
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Do each of them pay their own way?
In fact, it's Britney Spears who is used in this capacity: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/29/britney-spears-navy-scare-somali-pirates
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Because voting and demonstrating has done so well at preventing these atrocious abuses of power and corruption, right?
Well, why do you think this is part of the NSA leaks? U.S. have pressured many smaller nations in being part of their surveillance machinery, I would be surprised if this isn't the case here too.
Surprise! Every govt has an intelligence service and every intelligence service spends at least part of its time spying on its own citizens.
Surprise! Every govt has an intelligence service and every intelligence service routinely violates their countries laws, international laws, and the laws of good taste and decency.
There, I fixed it for you.
The US only tortures prisoners under usual conditions with lousy cells, boredom and really lousy food. Even during WWII the torture of an enemy prisoner was very rare. One exception was German submariners as submarines were considered unfair and sort of evil. But almost all other prisoners were treated unusually well.
Lately we have the sad experience of the Bush administration using torture on suspected terrorists and frankly it is a national embarrassment and effectively implies consent to torture US servicemen who are captured. The US has lost our moral authority over a rather weak and pitiful enemy.
The more the wrongdoings of the governments of the west are exposed
Then by all means, go back to Stalingrad, East Berlin, Myanmar, or North Korea--wherever you feel the most "free".
In other words, welcome to the REAL world: it has always been this way, it's just that the curtain has now been pulled.
US servicemen captured in the middle east expect to be tortured and then summarily executed. It's astounding that people waste so much time bemoaning the fact that a few terrorists are getting bitched slapped and forced to listen to loud Britney Spears songs. Save your sympathy for those that actually deserve it.
It's news because it reminds individuals that under the regimes that rule over them, "rule of law" does not exist. It's news because it reminds individuals that their alleged government representatives operate above the law.
Save your sympathy for those that actually deserve it.
Like children at weddings?
such as vbulletin, phpb etc is not simply just "taking a poorly protected mySQL database on some poor slob's website."
hopefully you never be put in a position of power, which you couldn't care less if you abused it
Kind of the point of TFA: It isn't just the West!
Only the West tried to position itself via the UN, conventions covering conflicts, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki_Accords to respect many legally listed human rights.
Many other countries under princes, juntas, communism, faiths just admit they need 'experts' and 'time' to bring their staff up to an very low international standard.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
its the USA's fault.
just like that parking ticket i received in germany last week
The thing that makes the OP seem like a dick is that only the US push the believe that they're the greatest and the most freedom loving.
Knowledge != intellect.
Agreed. But you'd have to be unintelligent to not have figured out that something like this was happening a long time ago.
What is far more important is why and not just that they are doing. It is all smelling like existing dominant political parties and using political appointees infesting security organisations to subvert democratic principles to lock in their power and deny access to other political groups. This seems to be a growing global problem resulting from the loss of influence of the idiot box and it's ability to filter out content with insufficient capital access.
It seems to be about the evil internet and the rich and greedy being unable to censor it dollars and now they are resorting to political appointees and total subversion of intelligence organisations.
The rich and greedy are falling into the age old trap, the more you empower security organisations, the more likely the heads of those organisations are to 'KILL' those that empowered them to ensure they could not take away that power. Those organisations don't just spy, they kill, the rich and greedy via their pet politicians are fooling around with some truly dangerous toys and they will turn around and attack their masters in order to become the masters.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
The people that talked about it were lumped in with the tinfoil hat mob and the newspapers were not allowed to print much about it. Any serious discussion was labelled as a "conspiracy theory" then later as "Xfiles shit". People were ridiculed for referring to what agencies were up to in Central America, things that are now in mainstream history. People thought "if it's real it will be in the Washington Post", and when it wasn't they thought it must be bullshit.
So "common knowledge" to a lot of people was discounted as "something I heard once from a nut". That's why people are surprised and why some people are going overboard with the 9/11 truther bullshit because they think that if one thing they had dismissed as a conspiracy theory is true why not the lot?
I believe the Gaurdian has the lot but is spreading it out for both practical (so much of it) and circulation (milk it for all they can to sell more papers) reasons. So I think you are attacking the wrong messenger. :)
I'd really hate to deliver bills or bad news to you
For a change, I know that there are like minded people here :)
Felt rather alone for a while.