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How Microwave Transmission Is Linking Financial Centers At Near-Light Speed

The L.A. Times has a short but compelling article about the state of the art (and coming state of the art) in dedicated networking technology in one of the applications where you'd expect the customers to care most about it: connecting financial trading centers. Milliseconds count, and the traders count milliseconds. From the article, one example: "[New York-based networking company] Strike, whose ranks include academics as well as former U.S. and Israeli military engineers, hoisted a 6-foot white dish on a tower rising 280 feet above the Nasdaq Stock Market's data center in Carteret, N.J., just outside New York City. Through a series of microwave towers, the dish beams market data 734 miles to the Chicago Mercantile Exchange's computer warehouse in Aurora, Ill., in 4.13 milliseconds, or about 95% of the theoretical speed of light, according to the company. Fiber-optic cables, which are made up of long strands of glass, carry data at roughly 65% of light speed."

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  1. But by rossdee · · Score: 3, Informative

    There was a story a few weeks ago about someone in Chicago that had a faster than light connection (when the Fed issued a statement about interest rates)

    1. Re:But by khallow · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dealers profit from market inefficiency, inserting themselves as middlemen and profiting by pushing prices away from their efficient levels.

      "Pushing prices away"? If you have a "dealer" trading away from the "efficient levels" and a "dealer" trading towards the "efficient levels", I can tell you who will have money at the end of the day and who won't.

      Someone who pursues a dumb strategy is going to lose their wealth to someone who isn't.

      Why not just let ultimate lenders and borrowers meet with technology, obsoleting the "market makers" raising prices because of their profit-seeking motives?

      That's the stock markets in a nutshell. Yet they still end up with market makers.

  2. Nothing "near" about it by belg4mit · · Score: 1, Informative

    Light speed in glass is less than that in air, which is less than that in vacuum. But the light (infrared, microwave, your favorite color) is still travelling at light speed.

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    1. Re:Nothing "near" about it by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope, nope, nope. The speed of light is c, the speed of light in various materials is denoted as factors of c (0.65c or 0.99999c).

    2. Re:Nothing "near" about it by Mr+Z · · Score: 2, Informative

      Raises the question, maybe, but it certainly does not beg the question.

      In any case, the speed of light in fiber optics is dominated by the glass or plastic, not any air that might be somehow still be in the fiber. So far as I know, that quantity is zero or close enough at least. For fiber optics to work, you need total internal reflection. To get total internal reflection over a decent range of angles (so that you can actually bend your fiber optic cable), you needs a sufficiently high index of refraction. It turns out that the higher the index of refraction, the slower the speed of light in the medium.

    3. Re:Nothing "near" about it by Trogre · · Score: 3, Informative

      The speed of light in a vacuum is c. Otherwise you are correct.

      Look up cherenkov radiation for a cool example of particles exceeding the speed of light in the local medium.

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  3. Re:"and the traders count milliseconds" by blue+trane · · Score: 1, Informative

    Market-making dealers push prices away from their efficient levels, as even Fischer Black noted. From Perry Mehrling's Lecture 22 Notes, in his Economics of Money and Banking, Part Two MOOC:

    On Monday, December 30, 1985, Fischer gave the presidential address to the American Finance Association which was meeting in New York, and stunned his audience with the following words:

    “We might define an efficient market as one in which price is within a factor of 2 of value; i.e. the price is more than half of value and less than twice value. By this definition, I think almost all markets are efficient almost all of the time. ‘Almost all’ means at least 90 percent.”

    Here we can detect, I think, the influence of Fischer Black’s friend, Jack Treynor, who had originally introduced him to his own version of the capital asset pricing model but gone on to a life in the markets rather than academia, and in that life had produced the dealer model that we have been using in previous lectures. Think about what the dealer model says. It says, just as Fischer relates, that the price of a security fluctuates within bounds set by the value based trader, bounds that can be rather far from true value. At any moment in time, the price of the security will lie somewhere within those bounds, exactly where depends on the inventory of the dealer.

    Dealers profit by exploiting market inefficiencies, and pushing prices away from their efficient levels, within a factor of 2. So if the efficient level of a barrel of oil is $100, the dealers can push the price down to $50 or up to $200. That's a pretty wide margin of error.

  4. Mod parent up: it's called VELOCITY FACTOR, folks! by storkus · · Score: 3, Informative

    For some place that's supposed to be for nerds who, unlike me, finished college, this discussion is embarrassing. Parent post and 1 or 2 other posts have it right, and this is something that every radio guy knows as well.

    Wikipedia references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_factor
    More general discussion with heavy math: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_velocity
    The reason for it all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractive_index
    This is straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.corning.com/WorkArea/downloadasset.aspx?id=39403

  5. Re:Dodgy Customers by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Informative

    None of this makes a difference to honest trading except to ensure its loss making properties.

    I think I see a flaw in your cunning argument: First, all trades are honest as long as it is not made under duress. And any macroeconomic teacher will tell you that in a trade both people get something they want, so the more trade you have, the better the economy is. People are operating under a wide variety of misconceptions regarding high speed trading, and only a few of the criticisms are valid. High speed trades mean that the value of a given stock or financial offering is much closer to the line where supply and demand cross. It results in less money being wasted either because the price is too high, or too low. What high speed trading does, in essence, is reduce the delta. Conceptualize a curved line, and then consider a number of equally-spaced rectangles under each approximating the volume of the curve. The more rectangles you have, the more accurate you can recreate that curve. High speed trading simply improves the delta of the supply and demand curves, so that the spread above and below the point where supply and demand cross is very small.

    People get confused between high frequency trading and algorithmic trading. High frequency trading carries benefits for both buyer and seller. Algorithmic trading, on the other hand, can and has resulted in huge losses. Like most algorithms exposed to unexpected input, they behave erratically and in unanticipated ways, and once one algorithm goes off the rails, as it were, it can lead to a cascade failure where different financial agents within the system also see something that was unanticipated and then in turn fail. Because these algorithms control a lot of different financial products, these cascade failures can spread and crash entire markets, dozens of stocks, etc.

    There are valid criticisms for algorithmic trading. I see none for high speed trading, however. And I do not know why people banter about about "dishonest" trading -- the trades themselves are public record, and only executed because the seller and buyer agreed on a price. There is no coercion or manipulation in the trade itself. The dishonesty in the system comes in over or under-valuation of a financial instrument, or from insider trading. This is external to the trade system itself, and comes from people using information not publicly available, or from deceptive accounting practices.

    But here again, the algorithms themselves, nor the computers executing trades, are responsible, and using them is neither dishonest nor something that "only the rich" can afford to do; Sites like e-trade offer consumers a wide variety of tools which can execute high speed trades when various conditions in the market occur, such as the price rising above, or falling below, certain points, and these systems are available for use by the everyday person for reasonable fees. The dishonesty in the system is largely on the CEOs, senior management, and accountants, who collude to profit at others expense.

    It has nothing whatsoever to do with the systems themselves, and I really wish people would stop spreading the idea that there's this mythical beast living in data centers in New York gobbling up poor people's money -- those live in the Penthouse, not the basement.

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  6. Re:Old News by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1, Informative

    Kind of, but it's interesting to see how progress was generated before from wars, and nowadays progress comes from the financial world. This is were power is, now.

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