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China Bans Financial Companies From Bitcoin Transactions

quantr writes with this excerpt from Bloomberg: "China's central bank barred financial institutions from handling Bitcoin transactions, moving to regulate the virtual currency after an 89-fold jump in its value sparked a surge of investor interest in the country. Bitcoin plunged more than 20 percent to below $1,000 on the BitStamp Internet exchange after the People's Bank of China said it isn't a currency with 'real meaning' and doesn't have the same legal status. The public is free to participate in Internet transactions provided they take on the risk themselves, it said. The ban reflects concern about the risk the digital currency may pose to China's capital controls and financial stability after a surge in trading this year made the country the world's biggest trader of Bitcoin, according to exchange operator BTC China. Bitcoin's price jumped more than ninefold in the past two months alone, prompting former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan to call it a 'bubble.' 'The concern is that it interferes with normal monetary policy operation,' said Hao Hong, head of China research at Bocom International Holdings Co. in Hong Kong. 'It represents an unofficial leakage to the current monetary system and trades globally. It is difficult to regulate and could be used for money laundering.'"

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  1. The public is free to participate in Internet tran by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The public is free to participate in Internet transactions provided they take on the risk themselves,"

    that should actually be a green sign.

    any method that can be legally used to turn yuan into something else that can be turned into money - and can be moved electronically - is in big demand...

    (no, I don't have any bc)

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  2. Went down, then came back. by Saethan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, btc took a momentary dive, and people jumped on it and it shot right back up above $1k. This all happened while I was asleep so *shrug*

    1. Re: Went down, then came back. by Sigg3.net · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. But that's true of any transaction-token regardless of expression; money, stocks, bitcoins, camels. (The last has other uses too.) Money is a technology.

      You're failing to see what bitcoin is changing money-technology _into_.

    2. Re:Went down, then came back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The US dollar is backed by the full faith and credit of the US government. Bitcoin is backed by absolutely no one.

    3. Re:Went down, then came back. by Alioth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, Bitcoin isn't "pegged" to any and all currencies, it's free-floating. Rather too free floating and volatile as the case may be.

      The problem with Bitcoin isn't the absence of a central issuer, but right now the problem with Bitcoin is its extreme volatility. At the moment it's almost useless as a currency and it's being used as an instrument of speculation. It's far too volatile for any merchant (perhaps except the black market) to take seriously since it's value relative to all other currencies swings so wildly and so quickly and you have to convert BTC into your local currency to be able to use any funds transferred to you for the mundane things in life like buying food, electricity, housing etc. If I want to sell a thing worth about US$1200 in BTC, if I sold it at 9am today for 1BTC and waited a whole 15 minutes to convert this to USD, in the intervening 15 minutes I would have lost around $300 because of a wild swing in its value that happened over a period of just a couple of minutes.

    4. Re:Went down, then came back. by Saethan · · Score: 2

      Handy that you can sell directly to a coinbase wallet and cash out immediately to your bank account, eh?

    5. Re:Went down, then came back. by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      The exact same thing could be said of any number of tech stocks that skyrocketed then crashed into nothingness about 10 years ago.

      Some people got lucky, many many others got burned.

      Or tulip bulbs...

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    6. Re:Went down, then came back. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The US dollar is backed by the credit of the US government? You mean the same US government that's neck-deep in debt right now?

    7. Re:Went down, then came back. by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The power of Bitcoin is often what people point to as its weakness - the fact that it isnt backed by any ~one~ conventional govt/issuer.

      No, it's a weakness.

      Any number of entities (governments, Columbian drug cartels, Russian Mafia, etc.) could have been quietly buying up bitcoins for the last six months and sitting on them. Lack of liquidity creates a seller's market so bitcoin prices skyrocket as a result. When the time is right they can dump all their coins on the market for a massive profit. The price of bitcoin will crash and they can buy back their stock at a fraction of the price just in case it ever recovers.

      This trick only works if you can do it in secret (so people mistake the lack of liquidity for market confidence - nobody wants to sell!!)

      Bitcoin is a perfect target for it.

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    8. Re:Went down, then came back. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The government collects taxes in USD. If you want to stay out of jail, you need USD.

      Maybe YOUR government does... I'm pretty sure most governments don't.

      And many multinational corporations use means other than USD to "pay" their taxes, and never see jail.

      I think there's a lot of room for a global fiat quantum currency; for numerous international trade situations, it beats USD (and the yuan, which is pegged to USD).

    9. Re:Went down, then came back. by jafac · · Score: 2

      The US dollar is backed by the full faith and credit of the US government.

      Cool story, bro~!

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  3. Regulated like a commodity rather than currency by JcMorin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not banned at all, it's said that bitcoin can be freely buy and sell by the people but it's regulated like a commodity (gold, silver, oil) and there is no guarantee or protection from the standard financial institution. Bitcoin will actually benefit from a statement like that. Governments and Banks stay away from my bitcoin and leave the real free market work!

  4. Re:Does it mean, by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It means it's attracted the attention of the big players so they'll be the only ones making big profits from now on.

    Anybody with enough capital can manipulate the bitcoin market (just like any other stock/share) - creating artificial shortages to drive the price up, dumping it into the hands of greedy individuals when it peaks, buying back when it crashes down. Rinse, repeat.

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  5. Re:The public is free to participate in Internet t by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How come we only see bitcoin stories on slashdot?

    How come there's no stories about Litecoin, Namecoin, etc.? They both have "billion dollar" values, too.

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  6. More importantly: by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Funny

    Did they also ban financial companies from tulip transactions?

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    1. Re:More importantly: by jonbryce · · Score: 2

      No. Most of the trade was in tulip futures rather than actual tulip bulbs.

  7. Re:COMMIES AT HEART !! by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fear the unknown !!

    The reality is Bitcoin is stateless so China can't exert influence on it. Scares them, it does. Yes.

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  8. using BTC to buy yuan can drive yuan up... by ananaMous · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... & they can't have that, now, can they? The push here seems to be to decouple the yuan in any big way from their own currency markets & see how that goes. As long as it means a low yuan, that might be fine by them. But then one yuanders: who really has the pretend currency?

  9. Re:The public is free to participate in Internet t by JcMorin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because other alt-coin are only copy/paste of Bitcoin, have no infrastructure and are less secure because they there is less miners. How many merchant accept Litecoin or Namecoin?

  10. Re:Does it mean, by sarysa · · Score: 2

    Like I said, "similar", not "exact". Bitcoin is the poster child of the inflatable, independent currency experiment, but it shares traits similar to the stock market and limited quantity physical goods. It's not impossible for something which shares the traits that guided the valuation of Bitcoin to emerge. It'll likely be a long way off and possibly too difficult to identify in time to profit from it.

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  11. Sounds like a GOOD thing for Bitcoin by gman003 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Bitcoin exists because many people don't trust a) the major world governments or b) the major banking institutions.

    So it is a *good* thing for some of those banking institutions from being prohibited from using Bitcoins. And really, banks do not need to be dealing with Bitcoins - do you really want a bank to be taking your money and "investing" it in Bitcoin?

    Classifying it as a commodity, like gold or silver, for regulatory purposes makes sense, and much like there are few regulations on gold and silver themselves, these are regulations on the banks, not on Bitcoins.

    Now, the anti-money-laundering stuff may be a cumbersome burden on Bitcoin exchanges, and tries to defeat the entire purpose of Bitcoin's pseudonymity, but the US already has similar restrictions, and they're not restrictions that are completely unreasonable. In fact, wouldn't regulations on converting Bitcoins to and from other currencies make people more inclined to use Bitcoin as an actual currency, instead of just a carrier system for other currency (the buyer buying BTC to immediately spend, and the seller immediately converting it back to a "usable" currency)? Even their attempts to undermine it seem likely to strengthen it.

    1. Re:Sounds like a GOOD thing for Bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bitcoin exists because many people don't trust a) the major world governments or b) the major banking institutions.

      oh wait your serious...

      Bitcoin is pure speculation at its finest. When it crashes (and it will). You may want to change your tune.

      Gov controlled money was created to stop fluctuation in price (it works to a degree). Price along the lines of I dont know if I can buy a loaf a bread today or a Ferrari. Everyone pretty much demanded the Gov do *something* anything. They lucked into the particular one they have now. You can also see how they are overusing particular things and making the same mistakes over and over again too.

      Bitcoin will have a different problem eventually. The size of the chain will be so big it will carry its own burden of time along with it to use. Most currencies do not have the problem of having to carry around the baggage of everyone who has ever had a dollar bill. Just so you can say 100% for sure you own it.

      Even their attempts to undermine it seem likely to strengthen it.
      What will crush it is the same thing that crushed the gold standard dollar. Inflation. The market is a harsh mistress.

      Right now you can use Bitcoin to do some 'anonymous' transactions. However, that is strictly predicated on a bubble of good will. You can see it in day to day news. News story comes out value falls. Over and over. So yeah go for it. Load up on those beanie babies.

      Though I think it is an interesting experiment. My guess the bubble bursts when they 'give away' the last bitcoin. I hope it doesnt as it would be an interesting experiment in a fixed size monetary economy. But history is unfortunately on the side of 'it will crash'.

  12. Re:translation by mlts · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This might be a weakness of BitCoin eventually. As blockchains get longer and longer, it gets more unwieldy to keep everything updated.

    The closest thing is having to calculate every transaction (vending machine, gas station, bank, etc.) a Loonie [1] coin has been through since it was struck at the mint. Even though big-O is a linear function, after a while, the cryptographic calculations required for each transaction can add up over time, and when a BitCoin is broken into subunits, each subunit down to the satoshi will have its own separate chain that has to be run through.

    Not a big problem now, but as BitCoins circulate through large amounts of users, it might become an issue, especially for large volumes.

    [1]: Or quarter, or Euro, but Loonies are a decent unit for an arbitrary example.

  13. Re:The public is free to participate in Internet t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You realize Namecoin isn't a currency, right? It's a replacement of DNS...