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Nelson Mandela Dead At 95
New submitter Emilio Hodge writes "Nelson Mandela, the revered statesman who emerged from prison after 27 years to lead South Africa out of decades of apartheid, has died, President Jacob Zuma announces. He was 95." Mandela's death is covered by lots of news sources, of course, including The New York Times and The Washington Post.
That took forever...
He will be sadly missed. Huge respect.
If I had an Ass, I'd call it Fanny Bottom, then I could slap my Ass; Fanny Bottom, on the Arse.
...he was...like...Morgan Freeman 2.0 down there...
... get ready for uhuru.
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Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
just another nigga dead
To be imprisoned for 27 years but still have the selflessness to bring peace and freedom to his country so that nobody should share his fate is the essence of compassion, generosity, and forgiveness. He is a shinning example of the human spirit.
I found out about this on Drudge when I was reading the little news postings, you know, the unimportant ones... Typical Drudge.
Just wait for all the Bill Cosby pictures with the caption "RIP Nelson Mandela".
just another nigga dead
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How is this relevant on /.? I mean no disrespect, but this is a topic for more mainstream news sources, not a site dedicated to technology.
Let's get back to Geekdom, shall we?
This is good news, one less nigger!
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South Africa's Mail & Guardian is worth a read - local perspective.
So Slashdot is just NORMAL news now?
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Anit-Apartheid activist Nelson Mandela was found dead in his South Africa home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in this community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly a South African icon.
Nelson Mandela is a hero to many, myself included. May he rest in peace as we honor and mourn him, though we never shall forget him.
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COINcidence? I DONT think so..
When Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress took power, they were in a position where they could well have taken revenge for a couple of centuries of repression by the English and Afrikaners. He led the effort to do something else (the Truth and Reconciliation Commissions), so that his country would not tear itself apart the way so many of its neighbors had done, repeatedly.
I'm not saying South Africa is a paradise compared to, say, the UK, but it's doing a heck of a lot better than Zimbabwe or Lesotho, and his decisions had a lot to do with that.
I am officially gone from
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HED4h00xPPA
'nuff said
They must've broken the sound barrier getting here to post.
When Nelson Mandela turned 70 there was quite a bit of coverage in the news here. He was still in jail, so I called Cape Town information, got the number, phoned the jail and left a message ("Happy Birthday!") for him.
The man who answered the phone sounded like he'd been on the phone a lot that day. He was also very careful to take down my name and where I was calling from. I suspect that until the government changed there would have been little point in trying to get a visa to visit South Africa...
...laura
Rhodesia appreciate his demise, as well as the thousands of farmers and landowners displaced by subsequent regimes - meanwhile, DeBeers continues on...
http://www.amren.com/features/2013/12/mandela-white-genocide-with-a-whimper/
Required reading for anyone who thinks Mandela was an angel.
Respect where it's due... That's 5 miles an hour faster than Paul Walker!
Okay, I'll grant you that this is important news for everyone, but most of us saw this on mainstream news sites or we soon will.
Now, when Ken Thompson dies, I'll expect his obit to hit /. within minutes if not milliseconds.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
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We can now look forward to a South Africa that will no longer be the rape capital of the world.
Seastead this.
Sweet little Mandela eh?
He signed off on the deaths of innocent people, lots of them
Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist
wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had
pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising
terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places,
including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people,
including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK
terrorists. Here are some highlights
-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983
-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985
-Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988
-Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986
-Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead
-Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987
-Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988
Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the]
movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of
Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in
‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/nelson-mandela-brought-the-world-toward-a-racial-reconciliation/2013/12/05/4a2dfb7e-2d77-11e0-8dd8-83b74589130a_story.html
every word the truth
Nelson Mandela proven to be a member of the Communist Party after decades of denial
Futurist Traditionalism
I hope Lucifer sees fit to "necklace" him in Hell.
Should have happened long ago. Deserved the same fate MLK got.
Nelson Mandela is a larger-than-life figure. The true hero, that sacrifices his life and gives all of his energy for a cause. He may not always have resorted to peaceful means, but when your opponents will not listen to reason and only speak the language of violence, the temptation to fight fire with fire runs high. Despite losing friends, witnessing the mercilessness and brutality of a police state and being treated less than human, he transitioned the unjust, abusive apartheid regime of South Africa into a free democracy for all.
South Africa is still a troubled country. But this is the product of decades of apartheid, that has created a huge divide between the rich and the poor, and ignoring the education and integration of most of its population. With these foundations, it is no wonder that poverty and crime still pose a huge challenge to South African society.
Nelson Mandela has done more than his part, much more than can be expected from a single lifetime. Rest in peace.
Once again humaity is shown how to live.
I would think "news" or "the world" would be a better fit. Calling him a politician is a bit like calling Einstein a mathematician.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
he advocated for nationalizing of banks, gold production, other mining
Acceptable foreign leaders are those who abuse their power (making it easy to get rid of them at any time in the future) and grab a stack of cash for themselves (ditto). All other leaders are advised to update their life insurance policy.
Mandala was too Gandhi-like for U.S. tastes. At least the CIA spinner landed on "time-in-prison" rather than "the-patsy-did-it".
Once released he was an untouchable martyr. Quelle nightmare.
I come here for the love
... when he stepped out of the jail cell are very grateful of what he has done, not only to South Africa, but to all mankind.
Mandela, ~ unlike all other hypocritical politicians all around the world, ~ is a dude who was TRUE TO HIS WORDS.
No, I am not an African. I ain't a white, either.
As a human being, I appreciate what Mandela has achieved, and sincerely hope that the politicians (present and future, no matter where they are) can stop lying so much and start learning something from Mandela.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Nah, he's just a racist asshole.
"Reagan and Thatcher supported Apartheid", please do some research, preferably not on wikipedia, and revert.
Did they support the apartheid government?
In the Syria conflict USA/France/Britain support the "rebels" who fight against the Assad regime. Those "rebels" happened to include the Al Queda terrorists.
In conclusion, perusing your own analogy, what USA, France and England are doing is to give their support to Al Queda and all the jihadist terrorists
What is YOUR answer to that ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
You have an awful, awful lot of extra time on your hands. I pity you.
If Reagan didn't support aparthead, he wouldn't have vetoed the comprehensive anti-apartheid Act of 1986. Reagan is only idolized by sheep and their shepherds.
1) "If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart." 2) "It is better to lead from behind and to put others in front, especially when you celebrate victory when nice things occur. You take the front line when there is danger. Then people will appreciate your leadership."
Nelson did not exactly live in a jail cell. He mostly lived in the chief warden's house in Polls Moore Prison.
Anyhow, as Voltaire put it: He was a kind an generous man - provided of course, that he is really dead.
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
Nelson Mandela was murdered by Joe Biden (Code Name: BIg Whitey) Drones. HA HA.
Ha Not Fuckers.
Nelson Mandela was a mass murderer as is his wife. He was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African communist party. The terrorists bombed in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-nelson-mandela/
ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
Than to speak up and sound a hypocrite. Every simpering, liar of a head of state and politician is feigning "great sadness" at the passing of someone they only knew from history books, vomiting carefully chosen and empty words about "freedom" and "democracy" even as they're turning the lights off forever at those concepts. Not a day passes that individual rights are not trampled upon in the name of "security", this being only the "security" of the elite against the populace. Nelson Mandela's legacy does NOT live on. Francisco Franco's legacy does. Shut up, Obama. Shut up, Cameron. Shut up, every fucking body who claims to be working "for the people" while living in the pocket of lobbyists. Don't talk about things you don't know or care about. Just be honest for once and show your true face: raise your hands in the air chanting "Sieg Heil", and we'll believe you. Do not soil the word "freedom". Do not talk about Mandela. You're not worthy.
Geeks are so full of shit that "beating the crap out of them" takes a whole new meaning.
Nelson Mandela was one of my heroes. His "truth and reconciliation" was the only way to heal South Africa after apartheid, and puts lie to the claims that "people who are mistreated have no choice but to become murderers" that we hear so often.
Your "point" perfectly says it for me. They COULD have off'd him, but didn't. Why not? Not for lack of ability on the CIA's part. But because it wasn't the best way to neutralize him. Being in prison is pretty neutralized, you have to admit. And less unrest. And it gave the 1%ers a few decades to steal everything they wanted before he was let out.
South Africa of today is one of the most dangerous and violent places on earth; Mandela did next to nothing to address black on white or even black-on-black violence. There was a huge white-flight out of SA during the 90s.
Mandela's biggest legacy and creditable achievement as the President is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_Reconciliation_Commission_(South_Africa) Also he was the premier for five years, that too on a country as big as South Africa without any administrative experience (he was in prison for 27 years.) From all accounts he did well. He may not have micromanaged the affairs, but on a policy level his actions look far reaching and inspirational.
Wikipedia says from 1995, 800000 of a total white population of 5.2 million left the country. I think the white flight out of South Africa would have happened even if Mahatma Gandhi was the President. Its an inevitable knee jerk reaction.
Tat Tvam Asi
There was a bitter, but telling, joke at the time:
"How do you tell a liberal from a conservative?"
"Liberals believe foreign nations should interfere in the internal affairs of South Africa, but not of Chile.
Conservatives believe foreign nations should interfere in the internal affairs of Chile, but not of South Africa."
By the way, how many "great men"'s wives behave as the adherents of Willie Mandela did?
Having lived through the time, I have little patience for the superficial and selective memory applied to the complicated issues of the time.
Sometimes random unexpected things move you the most.
For me, Mandela's legacy was sealed in The 16th Man. A snapshot of not how he pushed the nation away from apartheid, but how he ran the nation and kept it together. There were so many armed groups just waiting for a flashpoint to descend into civil war. You may have seen it in "Invictus", but for me, seeing people talk about how they were getting ready to kill people, and talking with the actual players (no interviews with Mandela himself tho) made it more real.
It kind of makes you think how he kept the country together when we can't even get our Congress together to make a vote.
Not that bad....if you compare it with the Catholic Church's expedient apologies for its mistakes.
He was a terrorist. You may have liked his cause, but his tactics were pure terror. Don't believe me? Google "necklacing".
It was the then Victor Verster prison (now Drakenstein) in Paarl; it wasn't the Chief Warder's house; and it was only for a small proportion of his imprisonment--the rest (19 years) was spent on Robben Island, working in conditions that permanently damaged his eyes, and, incidentally, on a diet to which he attributed his longevity. The prison in which he spent a very brief time (weeks) was Pollsmoor.
Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis
The Nazis were democratically elected into power. If you supported democracy, you had to support the Nazis in 1939 (prior to their invasion of Poland in September).
I just have to comment this as I see it repeated often: I am sorry, but that's not really true. It's true they got a (big) foot in the door (about 1/3 of the votes in a background of a crisis), but that's about where democracy stopped and Hitler took over. If you're interested, I suggest you read a history book on the Germany and the Weimar Republic. Here's a couple of quick links with more info:
http://www.lobelog.com/no-hitler-did-not-come-to-power-democratically/
http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/1150/is-the-claim-that-hitler-came-to-power-democratically-justified
Even if you can perhaps argue about the 1933 election, there's no doubt that by 1939 Germany was not a democracy. In 1939 you had to be a fool to think otherwise, the nazis weren't exactly quiet about their authoritarian philosophy. I live in a neighbouring country, and by 1939 a lot of people here were certainly reading the signs, nervously.
How many Whites in South Africa have been directly or indirectly murdered,raped ,tortured, hacked apart by or this disgusting ugly, useless nigger trash... ,tortured, hacked apart by or this disgusting nigger trash...
Here is the story:
The Whites build a civilized nation in a sparsely populated part of Africa...By the time the Whites arrive the native tribes (different savage Bantus)
have either killed each other off, starved or died of disease....
Niggers pour in from remote parts of the shit continent....(for "jobs"...)
The vicious jew insidious trash riles them up to kill and takeover...
Worldwide jew press jumps in....
Nigger savages take control through "elections"...
South Africa goes into chaos with savage niggers running wild, killing, destroying....
The vicious jews there run to izrahell in the wake of their destruction....
Whites are now trapped there in HELL...a once great White country being murdered,raped
COMING TO A PREVIOUSLY WHITE NATION NEAR YOU!!!!!
According to the latest news, South Africa is burying Nelson Mandela on Dec 15th. Let us hope that someday a more enlightened society will be better prepared for the demise of its heroes and preserve them cryonically.
I hope that, for consistency, you are a staunch critic of Venezuela, Cuba, Vietnam and China.
The USA has its flaws, but many (maybe the majority) of its critics turn a blind eye to socialist atrocities, and often actively support it. I ask for consistency.
By the way: if there was a worldwide poll asking "if you could immigrate legally to any country, where would you go?". The USA would be in the top, likely #1. If you complain of economic disparity, then restrict your poll to poor people. The USA would still be at the top, because it has far more opportunity to poor people than most of the world.
Then do another poll: "in which country would you prefer to be treated as a political dissident?" The USA would be among the top.
Criticism of the USA must acknowledge its upsides. And make sure to criticize uniformly.
I heard the same thing with respect to Fidel Castro. "He wasn't a communist, he turned to the Soviet Union because he had no alternative".
He then installed a one-party oppressive dictatorship and continues oppressing his people long after the end of the Cold War.
I have not formed an opinion on Mandela, but that kind of argument is suspicious.
Mandela was a terrorist and a socialist. During his administration SA became a much more immoral place. I think he's probably preparing a place for O and O.
That really is an essential question.
There's a related question, which is what to do about people who don't want "freedom" -- those who oppose democracy and equality and want to live under another system.
Futurist Traditionalism
Aside from the obvious racism in that statement, there's leaving out the part that this "development" did not extend to 2/3 of the population. That's as asinine as saying Gaza is "most developed" because the Israelis have built some really nice settlements on the West Bank and the people of the right ethnicity get paid to move there.
Because "not renewing the license of a radio station that backed a freaking coup is so "authoritarian".
When has the U.S. sold large amounts of weapons to Cuba, Vietnam, or China?
See http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/03/05/venezuela-chavez-s-authoritarian-legacy
Chavism:
1) Turned the Supreme Court into its puppet.
2) Directly controls a large part of the media, and harasses much of the rest into submission.
3) Threatens, promotes hatred against, harasses and sometimes arrests, political dissidents.
Venezuela still has elections, yes. So did the Soviet Union. Elections are not enough to guarantee freedom; the elections need to be free and fair, and there needs to be freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, and generally the majority must respect the rights and liberties of the minorities and individuals. Also, the current government must never entrench itself. These guarantees were violated by the Soviet Union and are violated by Venezuela.
By the way, Chavez attempted a coup d'état himself, and constantly licked the boots of Fidel Castro and other dictators who were his heroes. A chavist complaining of "golpismo" is like the Ku Klux Klan complaining of racism. It is beyond incoherent.
I don't get your point.