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Facebook Patents Inferring Income of Users

theodp writes "Among the patents granted to Facebook this week by the USPTO is one for Inferring Household Income for Users of a Social Networking System. 'For example,' Facebook explains, 'an assumption might be made about a user that reads CNN.com and nytimes.com every day that the user is in a higher income bracket than another user that only reads TMZ.com and PerezHilton.com on the theory that a user who reads newspapers might be assumed to make more money than a user who only reads celebrity gossip blogs.' Advertisements such as those for travel packages, cars, and home mortgages, Facebook adds, 'are targeted to users based on income bracket,' which might also be inferred by 'gathering and analyzing different types of information about a user's geographic location.' Hey, what could go wrong?"

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  1. Browse anonymously by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 2

    Browse anonymously
    This is why I use EasyPrivacy list in adblock plus to keep Facebook from getting that info. They know you read a page if it has a "Like" button on it.

    1. Re:Browse anonymously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Browse anonymously

      Excellent; that puts you into a group of 0.001%. As a highly technically literate user you will have monthly household income of between 10,000 and 11,500 (95% chance) and are less likely to want pop star accessories. However, there is a 30% increase in the chance of you purchasing electronic gadgets. The correlation of your IP address with a slashdot reader decreases your chance of wanting to buy wedding accessories by over 99.72%.

      Stay anon; please.

  2. Doesn't matter if it goes a bit wrong by excursive · · Score: 5, Informative

    It doesn't really matter if the algorithm is wrong for an individual, as long as it it generally correct for the population.

    1. Re:Doesn't matter if it goes a bit wrong by jones_supa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but a typical Slashdot geek thinks that an invention has to be 100% perfect to be useful at all.

  3. This is pointless by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 4, Informative

    The reason Facebook has any advertising income, and therefore value as a company, is that it has the ability to provide very directed advertising.

    If you want to target people who read cnn.com and nytimes.com, why not just advertise there like you always could.

    1. Re:This is pointless by Rhyas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can think of a couple of reasons to not go direct in this case:

      1) It's possibly more expensive to advertise on CNN or NYT.
      2) There's no inherent ability to "share" or "like" an ad. (yes, people do it)

      Facebook adds value not only for the targeting, but for the "social" nature of it's platform.

    2. Re:This is pointless by McGruber · · Score: 4, Insightful
      A small clarification:

      The reason Facebook has any advertising income, and therefore value as a company, is that the people purchasing FB advertisements believe it has the ability to provide very directed advertising.

  4. uhm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They do know everyone selling data + advertising already does this, right? This is a VERY obvious use of aggregated data.

    I declare Shenanigans!

    Shenanigans on Facebook!
    Shenanigans on the USPTO!

    They are trying to scam us now and it needs to be stopped Officer Barbrady!

    1. Re:uhm... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      They do know everyone selling data + advertising already does this, right? This is a VERY obvious use of aggregated data.

      Before you make such a judgement, you might want to actually read the patent. Slashdot summaries almost always completely misrepresent what is actually covered in the claims section of the patent.

    2. Re:uhm... by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've just finished reading the claims and scanning the description and found no part of it that should be patentable; anybody reasonably skilled in statistics would end up with something similar or even identical. Heck, I'd even end up with something pretty much the same, and I have no formal background in statistics.
      Also note that the patent names the required activities only (mostly it just lists potential sources of data); it does not explain the methods or mechanisms used to perform those activities.

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  5. Re:The redlining link is interesting by theodp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The patent specifically suggests using inferred income for targeting mortgage offers, which the Wikipedia article notes has been a ripe area for abuse: "Reverse redlining occurs when a lender or insurer targets minority consumers, not to deny them loans or insurance, but rather to charge them more than could be charged to a comparable majority consumer whose business is more sought after"

  6. I want to create an app by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
    Well, I hack c++ for a living in my day job, and don't have the time to hack out apps. Wish I have the time to hack out a code to let users launch an app, that will silently log into facebook, and then browse all the high brow, high income indicating sites in the background, without ever displaying anything on screen. It should also have random delays, and estimated time to read a page to create proper dwell times on pages. Or write a random web crawling app whose main job is to cover so much of the internet there is no effective pattern.

    If enough users launch it, it will completely mess up all these statistical correlations and eventually provide anonymity by increasing the noise.

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    1. Re:I want to create an app by brit74 · · Score: 2

      I detected a flaw in your idea: "If enough users launch it". There's virtually no benefit for anyone to install this app except to make a very tiny contribution to undermining Facebook's algorithm (while eating up your wireless data), and most people don't really care enough about that to do the work. Your idea seems like a clever way to undermine Facebooks algorithms, but it won't actually be used widely enough to make a dent in the system, which means it's gives people false hope that you this thing can be undermined. Personally, I'm actually less bothered by the fact that Facebook can infer income based on web-browsing habits, and I'm more bothered by the fact that it can be patented. It makes me want to destroy the patent system, because if stuff like this can be patented, our patent system is broken.

  7. Mixing issues by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 2

    If algorithms can be patented, then sure. If FB is using a unique algorithm to infer income, it might be granted (that I think patenting mathematics is absurd is irrelevant - if you believe your algorithm is so great, keep it a secret. Application of mathematics to one area shouldn't be patentable). I'd be surprised if Amazon doesn't look at your shopping history and suggest products in your price range. If I never bought anything over $25, why should they show me a product costing over $10,000?

    On the other hand, what does this have to do with redlining? My outrage that statistics is being patented has nothing to do with the fact that FB should be allowed to show whatever ads to whomever they please. They are not a government organization (and haven't taken taxpayer money) that shouldn't be allowed to discriminate between consumers.

  8. Isn't this exactly what marketing research by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Isn't this exactly what marketing research companies have done before. A quick web search says :

    corn is a powerful consumer classification that segments the UK population. By analysing demographic data, social factors, population and consumer behaviour, it provides precise information and an understanding of different types of people. Acorn provides valuable consumer insight helping you target, acquire and develop profitable customer relationships and improve service delivery.

    This is just another case of adding "... on a computer" or "... over wifi" to something that's already an established practice to gain a patent.

    1. Re:Isn't this exactly what marketing research by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is just another case of adding "... on a computer" or "... over wifi" to something that's already an established practice to gain a patent.

      They are not patenting the concept, they are patenting a specific algorithm.

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  9. Re:The redlining link is interesting by Austrian+Anarchy · · Score: 2

    The patent specifically suggests using inferred income for targeting mortgage offers, which the Wikipedia article notes has been a ripe area for abuse: "Reverse redlining occurs when a lender or insurer targets minority consumers, not to deny them loans or insurance, but rather to charge them more than could be charged to a comparable majority consumer whose business is more sought after"

    That is even more of a stretch. The Facebook scheme is nothing more than presenting advertising to people based on viewing habits, not some scheme to deny people the opportunity to risk future treasure on real property.

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  10. Re:Profiling... by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Post-capitalist"? We're reaching the zenith of everything Capitalism has sought to achieve. Record income disparities with unparalleled wealth for the super-wealthy, concentrating control over every aspect of society in the hands of a tiny elite. Thanks to Facebook, "the markets" (a.k.a. billionaire investors) even control human social interactions once considered sacrosanct from corporate intrusion. The Capitalist economy is all about the ascendancy of the 1% (and the 0.01% within that).

  11. Turn it all off by GWXerog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is an browser addon called Disconnect that blocks your browser from loading most if not all tracking resources, this includes the social media buttons used by Facebook to track your browsing. I put it onto every browser I come into contact with that supports it. https://disconnect.me/

  12. Re:FFB by femtobyte · · Score: 2

    Don't worry, your friends and family will help upload all your personal information to Facebook to sell to advertisers, to make sure you don't miss out on anything.

  13. Re:He jokes by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Statistics doesn't pigeon-hole you. It discovers what factors tend to influence people grouped with you, by how much, and how reliably. Like psychohistory, it only works on groups, the larger the better. The "pigeon-hole" is fuzzy and somewhat arbitrary. You still (maybe) have free will and are an individual... just like everybody else.

  14. Re:The redlining link is interesting by theodp · · Score: 2

    Viewing habits here, Facebook explains, are just a proxy for income bracket,, which will be used to categorize and target users. And, as this article on Digital Inclusion and data profiling notes, "Digitally dependent surveillant technologies do work differently in how they collect, categorize, target, and overall exploit users. As these technologies emerge as central to the current economy, old forms of prejudice and injustice can be grafted onto these new tools." Doesn't have to be that way, sure, but sometimes people have a hard time restraining themselves when big money is involved. :-)

  15. I can infer productivity of Facebook users @ work by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pretty, pretty low.

  16. Re: patenting statistical hypothesis? by jonnyj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is patently absurd. In the UK, Equifax, Experian and Call Credit already sell income predictions based on statistical modelling of credit bureau information. How is switching the underlying data set in any way a unique or clever thing to do?

    This is nothing more than a fancy regression algorithm.

  17. Re:More accurate by mysidia · · Score: 2

    A mid-level corporate manager at McDonalds probably makes more money than some lab technician.

    By that logic, you could look at the IP they are connecting to Facebook from.... if they have been connecting from Google's IP address space, then you might infer they are an office worker who gets the privilege of surfing the internet at work -- which puts them in a higher bracket than someone who connects from a dial-up only ISP or AOL.

  18. Re:The redlining link is interesting by Austrian+Anarchy · · Score: 2

    One thing I am absolutely not arguing is the ridiculous notion that anything like this should be eligible for a patent at all.

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  19. Re:Racist! by Jiro · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a statistical measure. People who read such things generally have a low income. The fact that you specifically read them and don't have a low income is irrelevant; the advertisers don't care about you as an individual. The large number of people who do fit the profile make the advertising more lucrative to a degree which far overwhelms the small number of people like you who make it less lucrative.

  20. Re:Yet Another Reason by aiken_d · · Score: 2

    Also, don't go to retail stores because they can tell a lot about you by the way you dress and talk.

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  21. Re:More accurate by femtobyte · · Score: 2

    Unfortunately, even though gradstudent wages are miserably low, the sad truth is that McDonald's near-minimum-wage is even more terrible. And, unlike gradstudents, the majority of people working McDonalds jobs are adults, often raising families, near the top of their career advancement --- they're not about to see double or triple salary after a few more years of burger flipping. US gradstudents have it tough, but the US working poor have it even harder (levels of poverty difficult to understand for anyone living in the civilized world).

  22. Re:I want my internet back by cffrost · · Score: 2

    Another confirmation that our idea of the internet has devolved in the hands of entrepeneurs.

    I'm with you. Some people seem to have had it drilled into their heads that they've got some moral duty to download and expose themselves to corporate propaganda ((i.e., advertizements) and the malware* that frequently accompanies it), lest the Internet shrivel up and die. They forget that aside from spam, the Internet started out nearly ad-free, and that ads were scarce for a while in the beginning of the 1990s web-boom.

    I don't think it'd necessarily be a bad thing if ad-dependent content disappeared; what would remain would be material that's important enough that someone's willing to ask for donations, pay out of their own pocket — or both — in order to make it freely available. Wikipedia (for instance) seems to work fine using this model, and is better for it, I think, than if it kowtowed to corporate-huckster "benefactors."

    * I consider the ads themselves a form of malware — mental malware meant to manipulate peoples' purchase decisions (as manipulation is the intent behind propaganda of any type).

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